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Post by cpico on Jan 29, 2014 22:41:45 GMT -5
And this miserably disappointing season continues. How can anyone not be disappointed with the effort and results this year? Just a horrible season from the beginning.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 29, 2014 22:47:24 GMT -5
Apparently we no longer "turn up".
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 29, 2014 22:52:47 GMT -5
Because we could all use a pick-me-up after this game - the 2010-2011 Butler Bulldogs were 14-9 (6-5 Horizon), losers of 3 straight and 4 out of 5 through February 3, 2011... before reeling off 14 straight W's on their way to the 2nd consecutive national championship appearance. By no means do I expect to be even in the Final Four 2014 - but just some perspective while we all consider jumping from the bridge... After all we did make Sweet 16 last year and lost one (good) player. Butler 2010-2011 |
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Post by cpico on Jan 29, 2014 23:00:07 GMT -5
Because we could all use a pick-me-up after this game - the 2010-2011 Butler Bulldogs were 14-9 (6-5 Horizon), losers of 3 straight and 4 out of 5 through February 3, 2011... before reeling off 14 straight W's on their way to the 2nd consecutive national championship appearance. By no means do I expect to be even in the Final Four 2014 - but just some perspective while we all consider jumping from the bridge... After all we did make Sweet 16 last year and lost one (good) player. Butler 2010-2011Please stop. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 29, 2014 23:17:51 GMT -5
Thank you guys for not spoiling the game on the delay thread. I stopped posting at the half because they looked cooked and I apparently was the only one watching on tape. Tremendously disappointed.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 29, 2014 23:20:34 GMT -5
Thank you guys for not spoiling the game on the delay thread. I stopped posting at the half because they looked cooked and I apparently was the only one watching on tape. Tremendously disappointed. We wanted to send you a barf bag but we didn't want to spoil the fun. |
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Post by baab on Jan 29, 2014 23:21:27 GMT -5
this is probably the most disappointing year since 1966-1967. Of course it's not over yet.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 29, 2014 23:26:58 GMT -5
We just play stupid ball. Everbody on the team has vacant looks on their faces, no fire. Coaches look bewildered. I feel very lucky we won and didn't embarrass ourselves on national tv against Temple. So many areas have problems, just mindboggling. Poor Tom Gola had to watch this slop from his new residence in Heaven.
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Post by explorerman on Jan 29, 2014 23:32:34 GMT -5
Hopefully we can stop with the Jerrell Wright is unstoppable talk...
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Post by alwayslasalle1 on Jan 29, 2014 23:45:41 GMT -5
A win against St Joe's would help
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Post by durenduren on Jan 30, 2014 0:00:46 GMT -5
Hopefully we can stop with the Jerrell Wright is unstoppable talk... Steve Zack, however, is 5th in the nation in double-doubles this year. It's funny though, because he wasn't much better tonight. Edit: I didn't realize how bad. 18 minutes, 0-2 FG, 0-2 FTM. What. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 30, 2014 6:52:42 GMT -5
Hopefully we can stop with the Jerrell Wright is unstoppable talk... Playing devil's advocate, what is Wright's role? He can't pass like Zack, so you can't stick him in the middle of that zone. The sub-in, sub-out that has happened over the last three, foul issues aside, is harming his game in my opinion. He is a force when he catches the ball on the block. He finishes about 60% from there. The problem is, teams are either playing zone or just pushing him off, leading to him riding pine. If there were two people that I would say are not the problem with La Salle, it is Duren and Wright. |
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Post by vasalos on Jan 30, 2014 8:04:26 GMT -5
We just play stupid ball. Everbody on the team has vacant looks on their faces, no fire. Coaches look bewildered. I feel very lucky we won and didn't embarrass ourselves on national tv against Temple. So many areas have problems, just mindboggling. Poor Tom Gola had to watch this slop from his new residence in Heaven. I had the same thought. There was one point in the game where the La Salle bench looked like they were either going to cry or they knew they had a problem and didn't know how to fix it. I feel bad for the kids; this is a very tough point in the season for them. We gotta hang in there and support them. |
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Jan 30, 2014 8:28:15 GMT -5
Hopefully we can stop with the Jerrell Wright is unstoppable talk... Yes - unless I'm mistaken he had the ball down low numerable times and was stripped. Agree he needs to develop a 10-15 foot shot. |
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 30, 2014 9:32:07 GMT -5
Haven't read the board tonight but I can guess that there is a lot of anguish going on here. Whenever I think that the team can't get any worse, they play a game like the one tonight. You have to wonder how this team beat GW last time. Observations, La Salle is not a very good team. They lack offensive balance, They seem to have no game plan. Get beaten by teams that are bigger than them. Zack and Wright are very inconsistent. Mills, Lewis, Brown and DJ provide no offense. This allows the other team to key on Duren and Garland. Plus, I have to say that I've always had the feeling that Giannini is not a great coach. I know that I am going to get blasted for saying that since he is worshiped on this board. I think he is a good recruiter, especially at a small, urban, Catholic school with so-so facilities. But he seems to get out-coached often. Maybe it's because his players don't execute the game plan. I do have to say that the officiating tonight was plan bad. It's never fun to watch a game where the refs are foul happy as they were tonight especially when the calls are so one sided. Several replays so that some of the calls were phantom calls. Maybe the problem this year is that there were such high expectations. If the team was expected to do what they have done for most of the last twenty years it wouldn't be so bad. Having so many games on television makes it even worse. I live in the mid-west. Usually in the past I would see 1 or 2 games a year on television. Now I get to see them all the time. Hard to take. You note-- La Salle is not a very good team. They lack offensive balance, They seem to have no game plan. Get beaten by teams that are bigger than them. Zack and Wright are very inconsistent. Mills, Lewis, Brown and DJ provide no offense. This allows the other team to key on Duren and Garland. I agree with most of this. Except maybe your point about no game plan. But I do agree with your point made previously that the specific guards you identify have poor O skills that make the O gameplan unexecuteable too often for this group. So many missed open shots last night and at other times. We may not have the horses for this O. Agree the bigs are inconsistent. I think the level of competition is significantly at play here. When we play against big and mobile athletic opposition it exposes the deficits particularly Jerrells. It is not just his foul pronness that gets him pulled out of the game. I know he is busting butt, but I think man to man D at this level is a challenge for him. The coach is trying to compensate for this (maybe not successfully enough). Despite Zack's great stats and good performances there seems to be some costly slippage particularly when the heat is on-bad passes, missed fouls- that I do not remember from last year. After last year it is hard to accept the regression to a mid pack A 10 team but......a duck is a duck! |
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Jan 30, 2014 9:38:26 GMT -5
Hopefully we can stop with the Jerrell Wright is unstoppable talk... Playing devil's advocate, what is Wright's role? He can't pass like Zack, so you can't stick him in the middle of that zone. The sub-in, sub-out that has happened over the last three, foul issues aside, is harming his game in my opinion. He is a force when he catches the ball on the block. He finishes about 60% from there. The problem is, teams are either playing zone or just pushing him off, leading to him riding pine. If there were two people that I would say are not the problem with La Salle, it is Duren and Wright. I cringe everytime he gets the ball down low, turns and leans in with his shoulder. He could be called for a foul almost evertime. As for Steve and Jerrell in general (and I know everyone will talk about Steve's "double doubles") but I think they have not progressed at all from last season to this season. That is as disappointing as the teams overall records (IMO). |
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Post by cpico on Jan 30, 2014 11:14:25 GMT -5
Our team wasted a golden opportunity this season. Just threw it away. We NEEDED to follow up last season with a good year - anyone who knows anything about college basketball had to realize that - and of course we were expected to be very good by almost everyone. This season could hurt the program for years to come, it was that critical.
We can only hope that Price, Roberts, Stukes, Shuler, and Washington can play. It's absolutely pathetic that at this point in the season we are looking ahead to next year. We are one of the most disappointing teams in the country this season and that hurts.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 30, 2014 11:51:16 GMT -5
we lost Ramon, and there was all kinds of drum-up of Khalid coming into the season as at least helping to replace him. I know he had the injury at the beginning of the year and at times we fall in love with his defensive effort, but if that injury is still bothering him - get him off the floor.
1-9 last night is nothing new. it's not like he was a good shooter (or average even) as a freshman at Delaware. chew on these nuggets:
Khalid Lewis - statsheet
guy should be focused on distributing, not jacking up floaters. Garland 1-14, and Peterson 1-5. That's a combined 3-28 last night. when we lose by double digits, one or both bigs in foul trouble, and Garland and Khalid go into isolation/poor ball movement. |
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Post by angryal on Jan 30, 2014 12:24:54 GMT -5
27% field goal shooting, 23% three-point shooting, and 60% free throw shooting.
This is SUCH a disappointing year because it was supposed to piggy-back on to last year and perhaps get the program back into consistent winning years, which in turn would land us better recruits. I've endured some of La Salle's worst seasons and still watched them game-after-game to the very end. But I have to admit, I'm losing overall interest very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 12:29:25 GMT -5
Our team wasted a golden opportunity this season. Just threw it away. We NEEDED to follow up last season with a good year - anyone who knows anything about college basketball had to realize that - and of course we were expected to be very good by almost everyone. This season could hurt the program for years to come, it was that critical. We can only hope that Price, Roberts, Stukes, Shuler, and Washington can play. It's absolutely pathetic that at this point in the season we are looking ahead to next year. We are one of the most disappointing teams in the country this season and that hurts. Jesus Christ, enough already. How many times do you need to post the same thing over and over? We get that you're "hurt" and "embarrassed". You think the coaches and players aren't giving 100% effort? You think they're not hurting too? If you do, you're wrong. They'd be the first to admit they haven't played well. And please stop acting like a St Joe's fan, looking down your nose at teams you perceive to not be any good, like St Bona and Duquesne. Those teams have enough talent to compete with everyone in the league. I guess you noticed that St Bona beat UMass by double digits last night and took them to the wire at UMass. Also lost a close one to GW and beat Richmond. And funny how SLU barely got by that horrible Duquesne team, who were also winning at VCU at halftime, and who beat that awful St Bona team. I thought La Salle played well during the 5 game winning streak and the second half of the VCU game. I haven't complained about the refs all season, but they absolutely had that game stolen from them. Sure, they missed some critical foul shots and had some critical turnovers, with at least a few aided by lousy calls (or non-calls) by the refs. It happens. But I rewatched the last 5 minutes of regulation and maybe one call (actually a non-call, DJ walked before he passed it to Zack with a few seconds left) during that span went La Salle's way. It was no wonder they didn't lose in regulation. I know I'm considered an apologist, but I'm going to continue to support them instead of ripping them on a messageboard. Regardless of their current struggles, these kids gave me some of my fondest memories of La Salle basketball over the last couple of years and I'll be forever grateful to them even if this season hasn't turned out the way we'd hoped. They still have a shot to turn it around and do some good things. |
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 30, 2014 12:30:04 GMT -5
we lost Ramon, and there was all kinds of drum-up of Khalid coming into the season as at least helping to replace him. I know he had the injury at the beginning of the year and at times we fall in love with his defensive effort, but if that injury is still bothering him- get him off the floor.
1-9 last night is nothing new. it's not like he was a good shooter (or average even) as a freshman at Delaware. chew on these nuggets:
Khalid Lewis - statsheet
guy should be focused on distributing, not jacking up floaters. Garland 1-14, and Peterson 1-5. That's a combined 3-28 last night. when we lose by double digits, one or both bigs in foul trouble, and Garland and Khalid go into isolation/poor ball movement. I totally agree with your comments about Khalid Lewis. I know the phrase "not an A-10 caliber player" gets thrown around a lot on this board, but it totally applies to him. He looks out of place on the floor. I know the injury hurt his jump shot to a degree, but he should still be able to take it to the rim. And when he does its blocked, he gets stripped or he throws up a prayer disguised as a floater. Him and Sam are by far the biggest disappointments this year. Galloway left and these guys were supposed to shoulder the load. Right now they are not half of Ramon combined. Sam is the same player he was freshman year. Also, I can't wait for Petterson to graduate. I know that's harsh but it's the truth. He seems like a great kid and I guess he's a good defender, but it's excruciating to watch him continuously miss wide open threes. He shot is so flat. It's one of the ugliest in college bball. Plus he continues to miss foul shots. Important ones to. |
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Post by calidelphia on Jan 30, 2014 12:34:03 GMT -5
Garland 1-14, and Peterson 1-5. That's a combined 3-28 last night.
I'm at a loss for words and have no answers. I don't know how we could let Garland go 1-14 and not make some major in game adjustments. |
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Post by durenduren on Jan 30, 2014 12:34:06 GMT -5
Not discrediting the significance of Ramon's departure one bit. Long believed that was the biggest hurdle for this squad.
But at what point is that a lame duck excuse? Ramon or not, shooting 28% from the field is not acceptable. Shitting your pants during crunch times, repeatedly, is inexcusable for a veteran squad regardless of Ramon's presence. No one stepped up to emotionally lead this team, that's obvious. When things get tough, half this team pulls a disappearing act.
IMO, there's only been one break-out performance this year where someone put their big boy pants on and took the reigns unexpectedly, outside of Tyreek and Tyrone - that ONE game when Sam remembered he could shoot. It's been a lot of "I'm just going to chip in my average" when there should be some "I'm going to take this game over and slap my balls on so-and-so's face." This team's advantage last year wasn't in ability, it was the motivation and fire. Teams were scared of us because didn't care what rankings meant, how we're supposed to lose. Now we're complacent, stale, and stagnant.
God damnit. I need some accountability. And it's not going to happen. And it's really fucking disappointing. But this year isn't disappointing because we're losing. Hell, odds are we were set up for disappointment after last year. Making that god forsaken tournament is so much harder than it's made out to be. But it's the way in which we're losing - without any dignity, losing our cool in when we're leading by ten with 90 seconds left.
Maybe I'm being rough and reactionary, but it's getting ugly.
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Post by explorerman on Jan 30, 2014 12:40:41 GMT -5
Hopefully we can stop with the Jerrell Wright is unstoppable talk... Steve Zack, however, is 5th in the nation in double-doubles this year. It's funny though, because he wasn't much better tonight. Edit: I didn't realize how bad. 18 minutes, 0-2 FG, 0-2 FTM. What. Foul trouble will do that… Dumb, very dumb fouls |
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Post by MisterD on Jan 30, 2014 12:42:44 GMT -5
Co-sign everything kjmac said above, start to finish. This isn't pro sports and these aren't pro athletes so stop with the blame tossing and constant bitching.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 30, 2014 12:43:23 GMT -5
"Hey, 18-22 year olds, stop fucking up my life!!!"
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Post by explorerman on Jan 30, 2014 12:44:49 GMT -5
Garland 1-14, and Peterson 1-5. That's a combined 3-28 last night.
I'm at a loss for words and have no answers. I don't know how we could let Garland go 1-14 and not make some major in game adjustments. I could shoot better than that.. Seriously… Absolutely horrible.. So many open looks that really weren't close to going in… |
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Post by fvp47 on Jan 30, 2014 13:05:38 GMT -5
The comments from kjmac 12 regarding Petersen are off the mark. They do not address is roll on the team, defense, and his shooting.
This year he is 25.2% overall and 37.5% for 3's, 21 TOs and 16 steals
Last year he was 25.6% overall and 39.6% for 3's, 14 TOs and 30 steals
Prior year he was 44.8% overall and 48.1 fir 3'sm 16 TOs and 15 steals.
Keep in mind he only had 52 shots in 2011-12 so a few misses can make a large difference in the %.
Would you have made the same comment last year when they were winning?
Best to control the rage.
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Post by fvp47 on Jan 30, 2014 13:13:47 GMT -5
Mister D,
Get a Grip. This is certainly more important to them and I am sure they are not thrilled with their own performance. It can only mess up your life it you allow it to.
We must continue to provide support. The team made great strides over the last 3-5 years on a upward path. However most things are not a straight line.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 30, 2014 13:14:40 GMT -5
I encourage you to read back 1 page.
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