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Post by durenduren on Jan 25, 2014 19:08:04 GMT -5
VCU does travel well, but they had a bus trip... Supposedly 500 fans worth.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 25, 2014 19:14:08 GMT -5
Those press conferences are tough to watch. Feel for the players. "you guys were up 10 with 5 minutes to play" - Tyrone's face into his hands... we have to hope they come out strong against GW wanting to put this one in the past. G seemed at a total loss for explanations. he seemed very disappointed in Wright. to be fair, VCU had great size and a fantastic big in Reddic. but this is two straight games with one or both bigs in big foul trouble playing limited minutes. hopefully this is not the start of a trend.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 25, 2014 19:28:55 GMT -5
Back from a VERY disappointing game. A few thoughts: The refs sucked. Just absolutely sucked. The foul disparity wasn't huge, but the number of fouls not called on VCU for hand checks, bumping and bodying up was mind boggling. One of the worst ref jobs I've seen in a long, long time. The 10 second violation call was whistled too quick. The play where Tyreek had to leap the player should have been a foul even before he got to that point. It was bad. Steve had no sense of the game clock on that last play in regulation. I think he panicked and just big time hurried his shot. He had time to literally lay it in against the backboard for the win or worst case he would have been hammered and gone to the line for two. It was there for the taking and he blew it there. Same with DJ on the half court heave. He had time to get a lot closer to the basket before he needed to shoot, he simply panicked. Even with the bad officiating in the game, we beat ourselves. Up 6 with a little more than a minute and the team fell apart. It was tough to watch in person. Rough, rough loss. VCU travels really well. There fans were there in force and they were loud. Per the refs, it looks like the view from the TV was not far off regarding the officials. You did a spot on job summarizing what I saw on the flat screen. And also good point about the apparent disparity in physicality allowed, what was permitted VCU and denied us was another whole piece of it. Virginia 61 and yourself maybe on target about the counterproductivity of our end game, slow down approach. The coach may want to rethink this piece. What amounted to holding on for dear life certainly did not seem to be working with this group today.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 25, 2014 19:46:05 GMT -5
Just for my own sanity I read rule 9 section 11 of the NCAA men's handbook with regard to the 10 second violation, the player cannot have the ball in the backcourt for 10 consecutive seconds. I don't get how the refs looked at the shot clock and we're ok with that call. I'm sorry I don't like complaining about the refs but it's really bothering me.
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Post by jellybean on Jan 25, 2014 20:29:33 GMT -5
I am no fan of today's refs but the 10 second call was absolutely correct. You must have the ball and man across midcourt before 10 seconds. La Salle player caught the ball in midair as the 10 second count occured. La Salle guy (Mills?) never established himself in the frontcourt. The refs were alert to this(10 second) call because Shaka made sure they heard about it. He felt that La Salle should have been called for one a little earlier. Benefit of constantly working the refs.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 25, 2014 20:50:50 GMT -5
I am no fan of today's refs but the 10 second call was absolutely correct. You must have the ball and man across midcourt before 10 seconds. La Salle player caught the ball in midair as the 10 second count occured. La Salle guy (Mills?) never established himself in the frontcourt. The refs were alert to this(10 second) call because Shaka made sure they heard about it. He felt that La Salle should have been called for one a little earlier. Benefit of constantly working the refs. Seriously read the rule book, they stopped the clock at the whistle and it 25 seconds.
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Post by jellybean on Jan 25, 2014 20:56:12 GMT -5
Seriously I don't understand what you are trying to say? What 25 seconds? Are we talking about the same play?
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Post by vcuram on Jan 25, 2014 21:12:32 GMT -5
VCU fan here. That was a great game of basketball. We've dropped some head shakers this year too so I know how you feel, but double OT says it all. Those were two teams playing their hardest and determined not to lose. After the first half Garland attached a magnet to the ball and found nothing but net. And I'll be honest, at around 1:20 or so I thought you guys had it in the bag.
I was one of the fans that traveled from Richmond this morning to catch the game, and I want to thank you guys for your hospitality. Except for a few jackass students (you know who you are), you guys gave LaSalle fans a good name. Special thanks to the guy whose seat I took and the lady who gave us directions to our cars in the freezing cold and snow. We may have died in Philly if not for you, kind lady, and no one wants that!
I hate saying "good game" after a win because it's easy to win graciously, but I hope we'll see you again in Brooklyn.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 25, 2014 21:20:16 GMT -5
Seriously I don't understand what you are trying to say? What 25 seconds? Are we talking about the same play? There was 25 seconds on the play clock, sorry for the poor English. I read the rule book and it seems to me it was bad call. Sorry for the poor English above. Not trying to be a douche about reading the rule book, I wish I could copy and paste the rule but my iPad has limitations.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 25, 2014 21:25:45 GMT -5
VCU fan here. That was a great game of basketball. We've dropped some head shakers this year too so I know how you feel, but double OT says it all. Those were two teams playing their hardest and determined not to lose. After the first half Garland attached a magnet to the ball and found nothing but net. And I'll be honest, at around 1:20 or so I thought you guys had it in the bag. I was one of the fans that traveled from Richmond this morning to catch the game, and I want to thank you guys for your hospitality. Except for a few jackass students (you know who you are), you guys gave LaSalle fans a good name. Special thanks to the guy whose seat I took and the lady who gave us directions to our cars in the freezing cold and snow. We may have died in Philly if not for you, kind lady, and no one wants that! I hate saying "good game" after a win because it's easy to win graciously, but I hope we'll see you again in Brooklyn. I hear you, the fans respected the vcu fans not always a typical reaction in Philly. I agree I would love to see the teams meet again as well. I hope when I go to Richmond next year the vcu fans show the same hospitality back.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 25, 2014 21:29:31 GMT -5
Good to hear vcuram. It was a great game, but like you say, it's easier to appreciate the enjoyability of the game when you win it. I think we're all hurting tonight, very tough game to lose.
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Post by gopherramfan on Jan 25, 2014 21:30:14 GMT -5
Seriously I don't understand what you are trying to say? What 25 seconds? Are we talking about the same play? There was 25 seconds on the play clock, sorry for the poor English. I read the rule book and it seems to me it was bad call. Sorry for the poor English above. Not trying to be a douche about reading the rule book, I wish I could copy and paste the rule but my iPad has limitations. From my understanding of the rules, to call the 10 second violation is now called based on the shot clock reaching 25. That was one of the new rules instituted this off season. The officials are also allowed to view the monitor in the last 2 minutes of each half, as well as overtime. Again, the offensive player must establish possession with his feet on the other side of half court. Of all the Philly schools I believe that you guys have the best guards to breakdown our "havoc" and a smart coach who seems to have an actual gameplan that works. I really like Dr. G as a gameday coach, don't know much about his recruiting etc.. Good luck the rest of the way!
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Post by jellybean on Jan 25, 2014 21:31:32 GMT -5
Seriously I don't understand what you are trying to say? What 25 seconds? Are we talking about the same play? There was 25 seconds on the play clock, sorry for the poor English. I read the rule book and it seems to me it was bad call. Sorry for the poor English above. Not trying to be a douche about reading the rule book, I wish I could copy and paste the rule but my iPad has limitations. I will watch the replay on www.espn3.com.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 25, 2014 21:34:43 GMT -5
It sounds like at least one of them was at the game, but I'd be curious to know if Dakich bothered the VCU fans who just posted as much as he did us on the ESPN2 broadcast.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 25, 2014 21:37:01 GMT -5
There was 25 seconds on the play clock, sorry for the poor English. I read the rule book and it seems to me it was bad call. Sorry for the poor English above. Not trying to be a douche about reading the rule book, I wish I could copy and paste the rule but my iPad has limitations. I will watch the replay on www.espn3.com. Jellybean is a hardy soul. I couldn't stomach watching any of that again!
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Post by lasallescreamer on Jan 25, 2014 21:38:26 GMT -5
This year team has played as if sweet 16 had never happened; as if last season ended with a first round NIT loss. Team is playing to its talent level-or below it instead of riding last years high into this season and playing with a boatload of confidence. A lead can always be blown; a senior guard can always miss a one and one; a jr. guard can always rush a last second shot; a 6 11 jr can always forget to take an easy shot instead of making a hard one; a good coach can overlook putting his go- to big guy back in the game but to all happen in the same game? Somehow, team must get its confidence level up and G must as well.Cannot have a post game comment re not getting over loss. I know he was down, but.... Must focus on winning all winnable games and winning at least 1 of the others. Must beat Hawks at least once and maybe twice to go to NIT which I believe now takes on some importance. Must continue to build. Team might be too nice. Need to fire up. Put Taylor Dunn in for 3 min a half and let him fire up the team. Need to do something. Having said all of this, nice job by team and G to get ready for a good team and generally, play well. Just got to finish it off. CONFIDENCE! LET'S GO EXPLORERS!!!
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 25, 2014 21:48:01 GMT -5
Need to fire up. Put Taylor Dunn in for 3 min a half and let him fire up the team. Today and as always, T. Dunn was loud, energetic, and supportive on the bench, during timeouts, between the OTs. Somebody had to step up after Ramon as the vocal guy.
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Post by vcuram on Jan 25, 2014 21:49:00 GMT -5
It sounds like at least one of them was at the game, but I'd be curious to know if Dakich bothered the VCU fans who just posted as much as he did us on the ESPN2 broadcast. Can't stand the guy. There are some things we all agree on. Also, as an aside, I watched Dr. John's postgame presser and he about had me in tears. The guy was hurting after the game and man did it show. Nice to see a coach who isn't afraid to speak his mind and show how much the game and his school means to him.
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Post by jellybean on Jan 25, 2014 21:56:07 GMT -5
This year team has played as if sweet 16 had never happened; as if last season ended with a first round NIT loss. Team is playing to its talent level-or below it instead of riding last years high into this season and playing with a boatload of confidence. A lead can always be blown; a senior guard can always miss a one and one; a jr. guard can always rush a last second shot; a 6 11 jr can always forget to take an easy shot instead of making a hard one; a good coach can overlook putting his go- to big guy back in the game but to all happen in the same game? Somehow, team must get its confidence level up and G must as well.Cannot have a post game comment re not getting over loss. I know he was down, but.... Must focus on winning all winnable games and winning at least 1 of the others. Must beat Hawks at least once and maybe twice to go to NIT which I believe now takes on some importance. Must continue to build. Team might be too nice. Need to fire up. Put Taylor Dunn in for 3 min a half and let him fire up the team. Need to do something. Having said all of this, nice job by team and G to get ready for a good team and generally, play well. Just got to finish it off. CONFIDENCE! LET'S GO EXPLORERS!!! It's the little things like allowing the opponent to roll the ball 2/3 of the way down court without allowing any time to go off the clock. But why should we be surprised? We have seen that for a long long time. Your big guys not having a clue that they are behind the backboard which is about 2 feet from the baseline. This is my pet peeve. Wright and Brown do the same thing. Not only did Zack seem not to know how much time was left on the clock but where he was on the court. Or waste your timeouts? Or put a player (Dunn) in the game to foul only to see him running down the court and forcing Lewis to foul which was his 5th. Or the offense, by allowing Garland to just take the shot clock down under 10 and then drive. Hope you get a foul but if not you have no other options and VCU gets the ball. Or not knowing who you are guarding when you are subbed for someone. Or not huddling like VCU did when two La Salle guys fouled out. Yes, it was bad that G said that in the post game press conference.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 25, 2014 22:26:22 GMT -5
It sounds like at least one of them was at the game, but I'd be curious to know if Dakich bothered the VCU fans who just posted as much as he did us on the ESPN2 broadcast. Can't stand the guy. There are some things we all agree on. Also, as an aside, I watched Dr. John's postgame presser and he about had me in tears. The guy was hurting after the game and man did it show. Nice to see a coach who isn't afraid to speak his mind and show how much the game and his school means to him. I like your coach, I love the man to man defense and the intensity, I also like how he works the refs. I like the press conference when he said he wants his best scorers shooting, which doesn't seem to be LSUs philosophy. I hate what our coach said afterwards, I think he sold Jerrell out and that sucks. I hope they get over this loss, the seniors on this team don't deserve that.
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Post by bredsdaman on Jan 26, 2014 11:25:51 GMT -5
Curious if anyone saw a replay of the carrying call on Sam Mills? Was it any worse than the way weber dribbles the ball every time down court?It seemed to me a call that can be made on nearly every possession.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 26, 2014 14:07:53 GMT -5
Just standard dribbling that coincidentally took place two possessions after Smart worked the refs for a carrying call.
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Post by jellybean on Jan 26, 2014 14:20:38 GMT -5
For what it it worth, I had a telephone call from someone I know from Denver. He is a former NFL and CFL QB and huge college sports fan. I took him to a La Salle game at Gola many years ago. I haven't heard from him in 5-6 years. He called to say that he saw both the Temple and VCU games on ESPN. He said that he was greatly impressed with us, the A10 and Big 5. Said that this exposure has to help in recruiting. What HS guard wouldn't want to play in G's system (my feelings on G's system differ from his but what do I know?). He said the atmosphere from the Temple game was as good as he's seen (don't forget he sees Pac 12 and Big 12 a lot)and that VCU was as competitive and hard fought as you'll see.
Thought you might like to hear from an unbiased objective person 2000 miles away. He said he will try to catch as many of our games as he can. I guess we gained a fan.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 26, 2014 17:31:45 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says we were ripped off yesterday despite us going into a shell the last five minutes of game. When Duren was banged off balance and then in the same motion forced to leap frog a VCU guy who slid in front of him that is a flat out foul twice in basically one play and the asshole officials had their whistles up their ass. Inexcusable and never should have happened. I think they were so impressed with Duren's leap that they forgot that the defender has no right to do a body block in front of the offensive player and impede his progress. That play was very critical because Duren should have had a fouls shot with a chance at two points but instead it was ruled a turnover. I guess the 3500 hundred in attendance were the only ones who noticed the body block and it doesn't matter that it was unintentional he slid directly in front of Duren causing the turnover.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 26, 2014 17:43:59 GMT -5
Not sure who blew the game more, La Salle or the refs.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 26, 2014 19:13:39 GMT -5
Not sure who blew the game more, La Salle or the refs. I am trying to put the lose behind me. I was completely speechless after it and I did watch some of the replay today. I skipped around a little bit, I mostly took notice to when we went up by 10 and lost it to really see what happened. Honestly, between Peterson stepping out, Duren missing that free throw or Zack choosing to take the worst shot of all time. It was a disaster. We had no chance in overtime we weren't deep enough and I even said to a buddy of mine in the second half if this game goes to overtime were screwed. The game should have been won in regulation bottom line. Honestly, I have to say the refs gave them a hand but Duren had a chance to put it away and of all the players to do that I would never guess for him to blow it but unfortunately IMO Duren lost us that game yesterday. Also, I was really critical of G as well. Rohan was playing his best game yet and he didn't show up at the end of the game or even in the last few minutes or so. Was disappointed with his decisions most of the day. I am going to move on from this lose, it came close to killing me. Worst things have happened though, just have to be positive. As cliche or generic as it might sound it isn't the end of the world. Keep the Faith!
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Post by calsufan on Jan 26, 2014 20:59:31 GMT -5
Curious if anyone saw a replay of the carrying call on Sam Mills? Was it any worse than the way weber dribbles the ball every time down court?It seemed to me a call that can be made on nearly every possession. It's funny you mentioned that, because watching Weber from the stands there were several times where he literally carried the ball in the half court. It was so obvious and yet the refs never called it.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 26, 2014 21:07:36 GMT -5
Calsufan I honestly believe the refs felt we had game won and to shut Smart Ass up they called fouls to make him happy never dreaming we would lose. There were so many poor calls in the end of the game that you don't have to wonder the refs just blew it and it cost us a hard earned victory. It amazes me just how pathetic the refs are not only in the A10 but around the country. Poor Jerrell Wright gets called for fouls on many occasions just for looking strong.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Feb 8, 2014 21:40:26 GMT -5
VCU fans crushed us for complaining about the refs, you should see them crying right now about the SJU game, pretty entertaining. Im actually routing for the hawks, I wonder if they brought their opera singer with them again.
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Post by SICguy84 on Feb 8, 2014 22:07:35 GMT -5
VCU fans crushed us for complaining about the refs, you should see them crying right now about the SJU game, pretty entertaining. Im actually routing for the hawks, I wonder if they brought their opera singer with them again. And City Avenue wins. Disgusting.
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