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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 1, 2019 10:12:36 GMT -5
Glitter how much of the difference between 38 and 72 is free money as opposed to loans. Additionally Bucknell has division I sports including football so how many full scholarships for athletes skew the net. That sticker price surely impacts admission numbers. Net price is net price after any free money (grants and scholarships). Whether you pay for that net price by writing a $38K check each year or taking paying $5K and taking $33K out in loans doesn't matter. The number of athletes on full scholarship is statistically insignificant with their enrollment and wouldn't skew this all that much. Back of the envelope...maybe taking them out puts the net price up to $43K.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 1, 2019 12:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 1, 2019 13:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Oct 1, 2019 16:26:10 GMT -5
Facts > Simplicity?
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 14, 2019 19:11:01 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 15, 2019 9:37:56 GMT -5
I've been wondering whether this declining enrollment trend due to fewer students would make schools reach deeper into their endowments to create more attractive financial aid packages for applicants. It is becoming a "buyer's market" for applicants, and schools will have to compete if they want numbers... all of whom become potential long-term donors. Do you give away money now in the hopes of getting it back later? Tough call as schools are becoming more financially strapped. Going through this process now with my high school senior who submitted 7 applications over the weekend... La Salle being one of them (along with A10 rivals Duquesne and St. Joe's).
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Post by MisterD on Oct 15, 2019 10:23:27 GMT -5
How does the process work from an aid standpoint, is it just 1st year that's defined or multi-year with GPA minimums or whatever?
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 19, 2019 10:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Oct 21, 2019 16:18:19 GMT -5
How does the process work from an aid standpoint, is it just 1st year that's defined or multi-year with GPA minimums or whatever? Academic merit aid is usually all 4 years and you maintain a minimum GPA and there's generally a probationary period if you fall below it. Need-based is assessed annually based on the federal and state forms. Some private schools do additional forms that ask for lots more information, although La Salle does not require that.
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Post by 20thandolney on Nov 9, 2019 17:01:41 GMT -5
No mention of the business admins being laid off and the majority of arts and sciences admin being reduced to 10 month employment?
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Post by 20thandolney on Nov 10, 2019 10:46:04 GMT -5
I've been wondering whether this declining enrollment trend due to fewer students would make schools reach deeper into their endowments to create more attractive financial aid packages for applicants. It is becoming a "buyer's market" for applicants, and schools will have to compete if they want numbers... all of whom become potential long-term donors. Do you give away money now in the hopes of getting it back later? Tough call as schools are becoming more financially strapped. Going through this process now with my high school senior who submitted 7 applications over the weekend... La Salle being one of them (along with A10 rivals Duquesne and St. Joe's). As much as it pains me and I am sure I will take some criticism here but I would suggest steering your daughter away from La Salle. Financially speaking, things are really bad.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 10, 2019 13:02:14 GMT -5
That’s crazy. Push your kids to La Salle if it makes sense. Come on.
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Post by las71 on Nov 10, 2019 13:47:35 GMT -5
Too many schools have become top heavy with administrative positions. Is it possible that La Salle recognized this and has reduced administrative positions without affecting the quality of academic offerings. Clearly a reckoning is coming for colleges and universities and maybe as with the tuition reset we are ahead of the curve here.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 27, 2019 13:19:29 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Dec 9, 2019 13:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 10, 2019 18:19:09 GMT -5
Was thinking today that if some of the more progressive agendas being proposed (which I support) are enacted it may be the death knell for schools like La Salle.
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Post by fvp47 on Dec 10, 2019 19:54:26 GMT -5
I agree with Joe. I have always been opposed to free college at a state university and this is one of the reasons. Given the cost of college I would be in favor for a federal program that awarded a voucher of $xxx each year to a school of your choice.
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Post by calsufan on Dec 10, 2019 20:56:52 GMT -5
I agree with Joe. I have always been opposed to free college at a state university and this is one of the reasons. Given the cost of college I would be in favor for a federal program that awarded a voucher of $xxx each year to a school of your choice. More or less what they did back in the day. I wouldn't have been able to attend college without Pell Grants and some of the other programs that were around back then.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 10, 2019 21:44:10 GMT -5
If you give everyone $10K for college, colleges will raise their tuition by $10K
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 10, 2019 21:52:57 GMT -5
I agree with Joe. I have always been opposed to free college at a state university and this is one of the reasons. Given the cost of college I would be in favor for a federal program that awarded a voucher of $xxx each year to a school of your choice. We don't agree.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Dec 10, 2019 22:08:46 GMT -5
Free college de-values the degree. Why? Because then anyone and everyone will have a degree and it will make a Bachelor’s the equivalent of a High School Diploma today. Please don’t give me the entrance requirements argument. If tuition is free the tax roll will pay for as many dorms and class buildings as necessary to meet supply. This is both not sustainable nor responsible. The result? Master’s and higher degrees become necessary for the “good” jobs and you’ll just have to pay for a more expensive degree.
Certain states may offer some variation of free college but my prediction is the collective private school lobby won’t allow a fully free college education to come to fruition any time in the next 50 years. Most likely there will be a low-income qualification to get the education for free which basically just means people that can pay for college will choose between over crowded public colleges or smaller private colleges.
I’m sure my opinion will be well received here.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 11, 2019 7:09:00 GMT -5
In order to get an entry level media job at my company you are required to have a Bachelor’s degree despite the Bachelor‘a curriculum not preparing you for any aspects of the job.
And that’s everywhere. Unless you’re going to be a laborer, you need a degree to even be considered.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 11, 2019 7:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Dec 11, 2019 7:58:07 GMT -5
Also the NBA. Don't need a degree there.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 11, 2019 8:57:29 GMT -5
It is great that Costco, Whole Foods, Hilton, Publix, Apple, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Home Depot, Bank of America, Chipotle and Lowe's don't require degrees to work in retail or hospitality. Also if you read it: But that isn't what I said. I know you've been super contrarian this week, but if you're 19 and without a college degree, local "professional" companies (not in retail or hospitality) are not going to consider you. Most people don't have serious coding chops to just jump to google. This sentiment doesn't fit the "bootstraps" mentality that I'm sure you laud, but this is reality.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 11, 2019 9:10:29 GMT -5
In the most general sense, if you see 100 HS seniors and 60 want to go to college, I find it impossible to understand how any number other than "60" is the right one for how many should be able to.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 11, 2019 9:19:26 GMT -5
It is great that Costco, Whole Foods, Hilton, Publix, Apple, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Home Depot, Bank of America, Chipotle and Lowe's don't require degrees to work in retail or hospitality. Also if you read it: But that isn't what I said. I know you've been super contrarian this week, but if you're 19 and without a college degree, local "professional" companies (not in retail or hospitality) are not going to consider you. Most people don't have serious coding chops to just jump to google. This sentiment doesn't fit the "bootstraps" mentality that I'm sure you laud, but this is reality. You said if you don't get a degree you are a "laborer". That's just silly, and elitist thinking. The bigger issue not being discussed is the "dumbing down" of degrees at many colleges and universities. In an effort to get the limited pool of students, some college are lowering their requirements and accepting kids that they may not have accepted in years' past. These kids need extra support services, contributing to the rising costs at many schools. College are offering courses in high school level algebra now. That should be table stakes to even get into college, shouldn't it? From La Salle's course catalog (why this is a university course is beyond me..this is freshman or sophomore level high school math...and often taught in grade schools now): MTH 101 Intermediate Algebra This course addresses algebraic operations; linear and quadratic equations; exponents and radicals; elementary functions; graphs; and systems of linear equations.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 11, 2019 9:51:48 GMT -5
It is great that Costco, Whole Foods, Hilton, Publix, Apple, Starbucks, Nordstrom, Home Depot, Bank of America, Chipotle and Lowe's don't require degrees to work in retail or hospitality. Also if you read it: But that isn't what I said. I know you've been super contrarian this week, but if you're 19 and without a college degree, local "professional" companies (not in retail or hospitality) are not going to consider you. Most people don't have serious coding chops to just jump to google. This sentiment doesn't fit the "bootstraps" mentality that I'm sure you laud, but this is reality. You said if you don't get a degree you are a "laborer". That's just silly, and elitist thinking. Not what I said, but I see two people get hired every week. Not one of them is without a college degree.
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Post by angry04 on Dec 11, 2019 10:10:20 GMT -5
This sentiment doesn't fit the "bootstraps" mentality that I'm sure you laud, but this is reality. Maybe it's you that lives in an alternate reality.. I work for a preeminent design and engineering firm (within a highly niche industry) that has multiple Vice Presidents and Assistant Vice Presidents who do not possess a bachelor's degree. I kindly recommend that you try stepping out of your limited information silo every now and then to see that it's and a big (and thriving) world out there..
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 11, 2019 10:14:54 GMT -5
You said if you don't get a degree you are a "laborer". That's just silly, and elitist thinking. Not what I said, but I see two people get hired every week. Not one of them is without a college degree. "Unless you’re going to be a laborer, you need a degree to even be considered. " - Joe Fed
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