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Post by MisterD on Dec 15, 2015 13:22:00 GMT -5
What? Put the dedicated Brothers in an old hospital.? Away from the main Campus? Shove them off in the corner? Put them amongst the students! They are still sages. they are an inspiration to others! Showcase them! F.S.C. should stand for FOOD_SHELTER_CLOTHING. the shelter component should not be an asylum! Put one in each classroom.
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 16:47:36 GMT -5
The plan for campus was to blow through the armory (the building is not useable) and make that the main entrance to the school. You go up the hill with the road through DeVincent Field and McCarthy Stadium. This does allow for additional buildings to be put up. Soccer and/or baseball would move to the Hospital area where is land and really put a field/stadium that fits the attendance (McCarthy was way way too big). I was wondering 1. What is wrong with the entrance at belfield? Would that be closed? 2. If they moved both baseball and soccer, could a new basketball facility be built on the land that is currently McCarthy, along with more parking. 3. Could 20th Street get closed completely and turned into a campus walkway? 4. Would the buildings near the communications center be a topic of discussion for getting demolished in order to build more dorms or a basketball facility?
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 16:47:57 GMT -5
Add to campus - the west campus! That purchase was a great move by the school. I can hardly believe, as one poster intimated here, that the school would be foolish enough to seriously entertain proposals to remove one or more collegiate gothic 1920/30s building from the quad! Know your architectural assets and seek to highlight them. Who wanted those removed?
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 16:54:02 GMT -5
If I listed my top 500 priorities/wants/dreams for the school, bringing back football would not be on that list. A school like ours does not need a football team, and it's not like we've historically had one either. Two 10 year stretches about 50 years apart. It was worth a try I guess, but there's no reason to think doing it again would have any more success. Good point... The majority of the profitable college football programs are Division 1. Out of all Division 1 football programs, only some are profitable. Except for water polo and women's golf, La Salle is definitely not interested in forming any new teams if they aren't going to at least make enough money to support themselves on their own. That being said, I'm not sure if anyone has done this study, but are there any Division 1 (fbs) football schools with less than 20,000 undergrads? How many are there with less than 15,000? What about 10,000? La Salle has about 3,000 - which means we're barely in discussion for Division 3 football, let alone Division 1, therefore, La Salle will never have a football program again.
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 16:55:03 GMT -5
The plan for campus was to blow through the armory (the building is not useable) and make that the main entrance to the school. You go up the hill with the road through DeVincent Field and McCarthy Stadium. This does allow for additional buildings to be put up. Soccer and/or baseball would move to the Hospital area where is land and really put a field/stadium that fits the attendance (McCarthy was way way too big). Please tell me this is after the basketball arena... Put the arena on either Devincent field or McCarthy stadium...
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Post by durenduren on Dec 15, 2015 17:02:03 GMT -5
What? Put the dedicated Brothers in an old hospital.? Away from the main Campus? Shove them off in the corner? Put them amongst the students! They are still sages. they are an inspiration to others! Showcase them! F.S.C. should stand for FOOD_SHELTER_CLOTHING. the shelter component should not be an asylum! The "enrollment levels are down substantially" part combined with the "La Salle is doing less to attract students compared to other regional competition" and the "there's less high schoolers going to college and/or looking at expensive private options" part should be more important than a nursing home, because we're getting run out of the water by our competition. And that isn't just a basketball conversation -- we're losing traction in the regional university hierarchy, and if you think otherwise you're crazy. I don't expect this to be a popular stance, and it'll probably piss people off. But this is what needs to be said, because it's the damn truth whether or not you want to admit it. La Salle might have a nursing home soon, but we might also creep ever-further to financial juncture that's going to require more difficult decisions unless we start doing more to attract students. We're merely treading water right now, and if that sounds great to you while pretty much every other school in the Philadelphia area is finding ways to push the envelope and reinvent themselves, then take the old-school approach and let La Salle remain La Salle with some 'wise sages' living in the middle of campus. I don't care if you put the retired brothers on the moon, unless we hit our target enrollment figures in May, we're going to be operating under tight financial constraints. When you bring a class fifty freshman short of your target figure, those fifty annual tuition payments that are missing become a financial burden for four full years, until they graduate and those bodies can (hopefully) be replaced. This has been happening, and it really stifles growth and prosperity at a school the size of La Salle. And that means you can kiss goodbye to any big improvements in many areas, including that mythical new arena and that repeating myth of the "armory entrance to campus" bullcrap. But congrats, you can see the retired Christian Brothers as you stumble back from a party on your way to South Campus - it ain't gonna pay the bills... I think the majority of us are in the same boat -- we're tired of hearing of grand pipe dreams that are dead upon arrival, and we want to see that a commitment and investment to transforming this university is being made, rather than being fed the same rhetoric we've gotten for years. The nursing home was basically the let-down announcement of the decade, even if it is a nice gesture. BTW, you must never have lived in Neumann on South Campus - now that was an asylum.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 15, 2015 17:08:53 GMT -5
1. What is wrong with the entrance at belfield? Would that be closed? It's not a strong access point and provides no benefit outside of student parking. Not near any admin bldgs of value, useless to visitors and is just another access point for crime to a relatively isolated part of campus. 2. If they moved both baseball and soccer, could a new basketball facility be built on the land that is currently McCarthy, along with more parking. Can't do this without Armory entrance plan -- people need to get there. Whole plan is probably way too much money. You'd be talking a parking garage somewhere. Would probably more valuable for academic expansion. 3. Could 20th Street get closed completely and turned into a campus walkway? You probably weren't around for this first time this happened, but let's say it's a miracle they got one direction of travel removed. Not happening. 4. Would the buildings near the communications center be a topic of discussion for getting demolished in order to build more dorms or a basketball facility? If you demolish, you need to build two new facilities at once. That's an awfully high order for La Salle. Dorms would be more realistic, but I don't think building more dorms is what La Salle needs, considering we've got two totally vacant dorms now due to decreased enrollment.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 15, 2015 17:15:06 GMT -5
Remember how many protesters we had 12 years ago when 20th St was made 1 way? It went on the entire Spring Semester of 2004.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 15, 2015 17:27:02 GMT -5
Remember how many protesters we had 12 years ago when 20th St was made 1 way? It went on the entire Spring Semester of 2004. That whole protest was a crock of shit. I have the "I Have a Dream..." speech committed to memory from waking up to it every morning of the semester. Nova put up with that? No way.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 15, 2015 18:01:48 GMT -5
The "enrollment levels are down substantially" part combined with the "La Salle is doing less to attract students compared to other regional competition" and the "there's less high schoolers going to college and/or looking at expensive private options" part should be more important than a nursing home, because we're getting run out of the water by our competition. And that isn't just a basketball conversation -- we're losing traction in the regional university hierarchy, and if you think otherwise you're crazy. I don't expect this to be a popular stance, and it'll probably piss people off. But this is what needs to be said, because it's the damn truth whether or not you want to admit it. La Salle might have a nursing home soon, but we might also creep ever-further to financial juncture that's going to require more difficult decisions unless we start doing more to attract students. We're merely treading water right now, and if that sounds great to you while pretty much every other school in the Philadelphia area is finding ways to push the envelope and reinvent themselves, then take the old-school approach and let La Salle remain La Salle with some 'wise sages' living in the middle of campus. I don't care if you put the retired brothers on the moon, unless we hit our target enrollment figures in May, we're going to be operating under tight financial constraints. When you bring a class fifty freshman short of your target figure, those fifty annual tuition payments that are missing become a financial burden for four full years, until they graduate and those bodies can (hopefully) be replaced. This has been happening, and it really stifles growth and prosperity at a school the size of La Salle. And that means you can kiss goodbye to any big improvements in many areas, including that mythical new arena and that repeating myth of the "armory entrance to campus" bullcrap. But congrats, you can see the retired Christian Brothers as you stumble back from a party on your way to South Campus - it ain't gonna pay the bills... I think the majority of us are in the same boat -- we're tired of hearing of grand pipe dreams that are dead upon arrival, and we want to see that a commitment and investment to transforming this university is being made, rather than being fed the same rhetoric we've gotten for years. The nursing home was basically the let-down announcement of the decade, even if it is a nice gesture. BTW, you must never have lived in Neumann on South Campus - now that was an asylum. NPOA. The nursing home idea sounds great to graduates that spend a few days on campus a year. Putting that at the center of buildings...as a centerpiece...is insane from a prospective students standpoint. There comes a point where you have to start making smart decisions, not folksy, passionate ones.
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 18:03:47 GMT -5
1. What is wrong with the entrance at belfield? Would that be closed? It's not a strong access point and provides no benefit outside of student parking. Not near any admin bldgs of value, useless to visitors and is just another access point for crime to a relatively isolated part of campus. 2. If they moved both baseball and soccer, could a new basketball facility be built on the land that is currently McCarthy, along with more parking. Can't do this without Armory entrance plan -- people need to get there. Whole plan is probably way too much money. You'd be talking a parking garage somewhere. Would probably more valuable for academic expansion. 3. Could 20th Street get closed completely and turned into a campus walkway? You probably weren't around for this first time this happened, but let's say it's a miracle they got one direction of travel removed. Not happening. 4. Would the buildings near the communications center be a topic of discussion for getting demolished in order to build more dorms or a basketball facility? If you demolish, you need to build two new facilities at once. That's an awfully high order for La Salle. Dorms would be more realistic, but I don't think building more dorms is what La Salle needs, considering we've got two totally vacant dorms now due to decreased enrollment. 1. I'm assuming they would close the other entrance if the new one is built? 2. The total project would probably cost at most 225 million in the long term to do the following: - Demolish armory (10m) - Create new entrance/close old entrance (15m) - Demolish baseball field/build parking garage on land (40m) - Demolish soccer field/build arena on land (135m) - Build new soccer and baseball fields on west campus (25m) Phases 1 and 2 won't cost that much in the grand scheme, although the armory demolition is probably going to be expensive... Phase 3 would be cheap in demolishing the baseball field but building the parking garage would cost quite a bit if they want enough parking. Phase 4 would be the most expensive in demolishing McCarthy and building a state of the art basketball facility. Phase 5 would be relatively cheap because of the fact that soccer needs a much smaller facility, and baseball needs a slightly bigger facility - look at Temple's fields at Ambler, etc. In the big picture, this is just about twice the cost of just building a basketball facility. The dorms at 20th and Olney are probably vacant because nobody wants to come to La Salle and live in them, except for the nice ones near the baseball fields. If they get rid of the old dorms and build new ones, maybe people will come to the school and fill them up. That's debatable however.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 15, 2015 18:22:12 GMT -5
Stopped reading last post at 225 million.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 15, 2015 18:31:57 GMT -5
Stopped reading last post at 225 million. Yeah, come on.
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 18:40:33 GMT -5
Stopped reading last post at 225 million. Yeah, come on. Could La Salle get any city funding on the arena if they were able to prove they would create jobs and/or host concerts/events for the city? Any grants of some sort? Remember I said at most, it would probably cost much less. At the cheapest, 135 mil, at the most 225.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 15, 2015 18:49:57 GMT -5
Stopped reading last post at 225 million. Yeah, come on. LOL. Hanycz better be playing that Mega Ball. The dorms at 20th and Olney are probably vacant because nobody wants to come to La Salle and live in them, except for the nice ones near the baseball fields. If they get rid of the old dorms and build new ones, maybe people will come to the school and fill them up. I'll borrow that magic wand next, please. I want a new car and then new boobs for my girlfriend.
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Post by jellybean on Dec 15, 2015 19:05:19 GMT -5
Are we talking American money?
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Post by durenduren on Dec 15, 2015 19:13:17 GMT -5
Hope we're talking Vietnamese Dongs. They're like $1USC=16,000 Dong.
But I mostly wanted to say Dong.
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Post by a10champion15 on Dec 15, 2015 19:37:00 GMT -5
Could you people just stop and wait for the school to make an announcement.
I promise you the picture will be clearer then.
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Post by joe on Dec 15, 2015 19:43:05 GMT -5
People are right. La Salle needs newer buildings for college students. New buildings will help the admissions office sell the school to hs seniors. A nursing home will not. What will the nursing home look like? It is look like the library or Hayman Hall?
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Dec 15, 2015 19:52:41 GMT -5
I laugh at all those who claim "inside knowledge."
This building is not a nursing home. Those are in Lyncroft, NJ and Amendale,MD.
It is simply a residential facility.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 15, 2015 19:55:04 GMT -5
New Bookstore to be on ground floor of this latest project?
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 15, 2015 20:01:40 GMT -5
A nursing home will not. What will the nursing home look like? It is look like the library or Hayman Hall? Architecture of library was influenced and in harmony with the quad buildings across the street. Late 80s construction. Brick. Hayman is hideous. Especially from Olney.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 15, 2015 20:07:18 GMT -5
It's going to be a joint-fitness center/Brother's residence, where students get their fitness on as the Christian Brothers get jacked up. Heard they're prepping for a showdown with the Jesuits on the Main Line after someone made a bad "Charles Wilson Peale" joke.
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Post by rp01 on Dec 15, 2015 20:23:11 GMT -5
People are right. La Salle needs newer buildings for college students. New buildings will help the admissions office sell the school to hs seniors. A nursing home will not. What will the nursing home look like? It is look like the library or Hayman Hall? I am definitely not an expert on the economics behind it, however, from a high school student's perspective, nobody wants to live in the North dorms. I haven't even been on the interior but judging from the exterior going to basketball games with my father, they look awful. I understand that it's about the education not the facilities but if someone's going to take loans and put forth that much money to go to college, typically they're going to go to one with A1 facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 20:24:47 GMT -5
I laugh at all those who claim "inside knowledge." This building is not a nursing home. Those are in Lyncroft, NJ and Amendale,MD. It is simply a residential facility. This ^^. I really don't get why people are so worked up by this. It's not costing La Salle University anything other than the very small parcel of land it will take up. As someone mentioned on an earlier post, the Christian Brothers are footing the bill.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 15, 2015 20:27:50 GMT -5
As I've said earlier, it's the optics of it. It's the idea that a good spot on land in the middle of your campus is going to be used as a living facility for older brothers. Again, don't care if it's done on campus. Just a bad spot with no official release (to my knowledge) by the school.
It's the middle of campus. Every student in the townhouses, E&F and a lot of the ones from North Dorms are going to walk past it on their way to class. It is a passionate move, but I don't think it's a smart one for prospective students.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 15, 2015 20:50:40 GMT -5
Not that La Salle should be leveraging against the CB's Regional, but I seriously hope this is a mutually beneficial project.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 15, 2015 21:24:06 GMT -5
How does it affect La Salle's men's and women's tennis program?
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Post by rp01 on Dec 16, 2015 0:31:39 GMT -5
As I've said earlier, it's the optics of it. It's the idea that a good spot on land in the middle of your campus is going to be used as a living facility for older brothers. Again, don't care if it's done on campus. Just a bad spot with no official release (to my knowledge) by the school. It's the middle of campus. Every student in the townhouses, E&F and a lot of the ones from North Dorms are going to walk past it on their way to class. It is a passionate move, but I don't think it's a smart one for prospective students. Aren't they living in college hall right now anyway?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 16, 2015 5:25:22 GMT -5
They are, but that's not near a dorm. And this reads like a larger building.
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