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Post by golasalle on Feb 24, 2015 16:32:22 GMT -5
Good guess, but no. Both were on TV. Keep guessing... Really.. The Duquesne game wasn't at La Salle??? Yikes.. I must have a shitty memory... Cute, the game was obviously at La Salle but I highly doubt that is why there weren't as many comments...
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Post by calidelphia on Feb 24, 2015 16:54:06 GMT -5
And the tread covering the Duquesne game, a decisive win, was a total of 4 pages, go figure. One was home and the other game was away? One was a blowout that was impossible to watch on most televisions, on a weekday against a historically weak team. The other, an OT game on NBC sports mid day on a saturday televised nationally against a perennial contender for the conference title. But it's just that negativity sells? no, one was a good game and the other was not regardless of outcome.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 24, 2015 16:55:58 GMT -5
If some of you guys have a problem with the message board, the posters on the board, the posts, how much attention certain threads get, or whatever, you're free to patronize one of the other fine La Salle message boards out there. I think the scout one is still up, covered with spam ads, but still up there.
Yes, a game in which we lost, badly, to a poor team on the road on a weekend afternoon got more posts than a home, weeknight game against a bad team that we won comfortably. Welcome to the internet.
Most game threads are like 6-8 pages long, I just checked. St. Joe's was 12, VCU was 15. We won both of those. Some games there's more to talk about than others, and yes, for fans on a message board, losses will generate more posts. Do some people go overboard, and only show up during losses? Sure, again welcome to the internet.
Same thing for facilities. I don't love it when every thread pivots back to that, but this is its own thread, and I don't really see a problem. No, 25 of us talking about it isn't going to "accomplish anything" but this in an internet message board, might I add the ONLY message board, basketball or otherwise, with a sizable group of La Salle fans/alums. If it's not something people can talk about here, then where?
If you have a problem with people on complaining about things, without proactively working on a solution, perhaps an internet message board is not the place for you.
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Post by calidelphia on Feb 24, 2015 16:56:43 GMT -5
Really.. The Duquesne game wasn't at La Salle??? Yikes.. I must have a shitty memory... Cute, the game was obviously at La Salle but I highly doubt that is why there weren't as many comments... You understand that most people aren't on their phone commenting on here if they are at the game right? Thus the "just got back from the game and I am really (disappointed/impressed)" comments that occur. But it's everyone else who is negative....
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Post by explorerman on Feb 24, 2015 17:13:56 GMT -5
Cute, the game was obviously at La Salle but I highly doubt that is why there weren't as many comments... You understand that most people aren't on their phone commenting on here if they are at the game right? Thus the "just got back from the game and I am really (disappointed/impressed)" comments that occur. But it's everyone else who is negative.... Hahah yeah thanks Cali.. It was a little too easy... Unfortunately, golasalle was a little slow there.. A little hard to bring a computer into the game? And I would hope to God people aren't commenting on a message board during the game.. Haha.. Speaking at least half the board was probably there.. Logic would dictate that posting would be low especially as most posts come during the game anyways..
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 24, 2015 17:29:52 GMT -5
If you have a problem with people on complaining about things, without proactively working on a solution, perhaps an internet message board is not the place for you. This. And everything else said on it.
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Post by golasalle on Feb 24, 2015 20:11:00 GMT -5
If some of you guys have a problem with the message board, the posters on the board, the posts, how much attention certain threads get, or whatever, you're free to patronize one of the other fine La Salle message boards out there. I think the scout one is still up, covered with spam ads, but still up there. Yes, a game in which we lost, badly, to a poor team on the road on a weekend afternoon got more posts than a home, weeknight game against a bad team that we won comfortably. Welcome to the internet. Most game threads are like 6-8 pages long, I just checked. St. Joe's was 12, VCU was 15. We won both of those. Some games there's more to talk about than others, and yes, for fans on a message board, losses will generate more posts. Do some people go overboard, and only show up during losses? Sure, again welcome to the internet. Same thing for facilities. I don't love it when every thread pivots back to that, but this is its own thread, and I don't really see a problem. No, 25 of us talking about it isn't going to "accomplish anything" but this in an internet message board, might I add the ONLY message board, basketball or otherwise, with a sizable group of La Salle fans/alums. If it's not something people can talk about here, then where? If you have a problem with people on complaining about things, without proactively working on a solution, perhaps an internet message board is not the place for you. Well, fair enough. But on the other side of the coin. Do you want to chase away people who every once in awhile try to be fair and counter balance some of the over the top negativity? So some of that crap should go completely unchallanged because "this is the internet"? All I did was follow up a post where someone pointed out how big the thread was after the team played poorly with how relatively small the thread was after the team played well. Do you think that it would have been 4 pages long if they had managed to lose to Duquesne? I wouldn't bet on it. I thought the whole idea was give and take and differences of point of view. Maybe not, and if you challange people who have a different point of view or make an observation anout some people's motivation, you get invited to change to another board. I really don't think I said anything over the top or insulted anyone to warrant being invited to go away. Trust me, I am no "blind follower" or "apologist", but I am going to point out and call out unfairness. Niot sure why doing that warrants an invitation to leave.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 24, 2015 20:18:26 GMT -5
Nobody should be questioned for things they say on here. Debate is fine, but calling people out for their posts, whether positive or negative, is bad form in my opinion. People have their opinions. That is allowed and encouraged. Lets not say that they shouldn't voice them.
Let's get back on topic or I'm gonna lock the thread. If you want to quibble over length of threads after wins / losses you can make your own topic. I want to imagine and build hypothetical facilities in peace.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 24, 2015 21:09:19 GMT -5
Joe pulls rank on us, so golasalle, I sent you a message so as not to keep the thread off-topic. You deserve an explanation for what I said, you are right.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 24, 2015 21:53:10 GMT -5
Joe pulls rank on us, so golasalle, I sent you a message so as not to keep the thread off-topic. You deserve an explanation for what I said, you are right. It's not about pulling rank. Thanks for handling off thread. I just want to keep a handle on people going at each other over whether or not they can have opinions. So, do you guys think La Salle can benefit from a new arena?
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 24, 2015 21:58:40 GMT -5
I was just joking Joe.
I think they should build a new arena, but make it literally an identical carbon copy of the Gola. Just for the reactions from all off us.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 24, 2015 22:01:55 GMT -5
OK serious question,
Let's say the day comes, and we have a new arena, and the naming rights aren't tied of any individual donor or Corporate sponsor (highly unlikely I know), I'm assuming we'd have to name it something other than "Tom Gola Arena." I feel like, sadly, we'd have to name it after someone/ something else.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 25, 2015 3:18:02 GMT -5
We could go a different route and try to connect with the youth by naming it something like "THE TAYLOR SWIFT DUNK ZONE OMG" in a really cool font.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2015 4:06:40 GMT -5
We could go a different route and try to connect with the youth by naming it something like "THE TAYLOR SWIFT DUNK ZONE OMG" in a really cool font. Comic Sans would seem appropriate.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2015 7:50:37 GMT -5
Lionel Simmons Arena, or John Glaser Arena...but I would be fine if they kept Gola Arena as the name.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2015 8:12:16 GMT -5
Lionel Simmons Arena, or John Glaser Arena...but I would be fine if they kept Gola Arena as the name. Is it taboo to build a new arena and rename it your old arena? I'd give the guy the court. Gola Court. Name the arena after Glaser or whomever gives 25M.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 25, 2015 8:22:22 GMT -5
The sad and depressing part is despite my posts and others on this subject in my heart of hearts I truly believe a new arena is never going to happen.
I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10.
Hope I end up. eating my words here but if I had to predict I would say it never happens.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2015 8:25:01 GMT -5
The sad and depressing part is despite my posts and others on this subject in my heart of hearts I truly believe a new arena is never going to happen. I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10. Hope I end up. eating my words here but if I had to predict I would say it never happens. I don't think so. I think its a new dawn.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 25, 2015 8:32:14 GMT -5
The sad and depressing part is despite my posts and others on this subject in my heart of hearts I truly believe a new arena is never going to happen. I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10. Hope I end up. eating my words here but if I had to predict I would say it never happens. Couldn't possibly happen Mik...its already been mentioned to be next on the docket after the business school.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 25, 2015 8:51:16 GMT -5
The sad and depressing part is despite my posts and others on this subject in my heart of hearts I truly believe a new arena is never going to happen. I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10. Hope I end up. eating my words here but if I had to predict I would say it never happens. Couldn't possibly happen Mik...its already been mentioned to be next on the docket after the business school. This is true lunatic but you never know with the BOT.. They certainly do not have he conifidence of the majority on this board. Basketball arena was priority after the renovation to middle of campus (Holroyd and the removal of the Continuing Studies building). On top of all that, one of the reasons the BOT chose the business school was they thought the project was the quicker of the two! They estimated that they could raise the funds sooner especially since it was the cheaper project of the two projects. And we know backfired
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Post by lasalle89 on Feb 25, 2015 9:05:08 GMT -5
What is the cost of the business school? I don't think we could build a basketball facility for less than 45 M.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 25, 2015 9:23:15 GMT -5
What is the cost of the business school? I don't think we could build a basketball facility for less than 45 M. Absolutely right. Business school is half of what the minimum would be needed for the correct basketball facility. And this figure includes the downward revisions with the architects and engineers after the leadership realized they couldn't afford the original plan..
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 25, 2015 9:27:31 GMT -5
The sad and depressing part is despite my posts and others on this subject in my heart of hearts I truly believe a new arena is never going to happen. I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10. Hope I end up. eating my words here but if I had to predict I would say it never happens. Couldn't possibly happen Mik...its already been mentioned to be next on the docket after the business school. I know lunatic. I have heard it for years. I just won't believe it until I see. I guess that is what I am saying here.
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Post by golasalle on Feb 25, 2015 9:43:42 GMT -5
Couldn't possibly happen Mik...its already been mentioned to be next on the docket after the business school. On top of all that, one of the reasons the BOT chose the business school was they thought the project was the quicker of the two! They estimated that they could raise the funds sooner especially since it was the cheaper project of the two projects. And we know backfired Well, to be fair, a little thing like the worst global economic catastrophe since the Great Depression happened that derailed a lot of planning. Had that not happened, there is a chance that the fundraising could have been a lot easier.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2015 9:53:37 GMT -5
On top of all that, one of the reasons the BOT chose the business school was they thought the project was the quicker of the two! They estimated that they could raise the funds sooner especially since it was the cheaper project of the two projects. And we know backfired Well, to be fair, a little thing like the worst global economic catastrophe since the Great Depression happened that derailed a lot of planning. Had that not happened, there is a chance that the fundraising could have been a lot easier. This is probably true. Does anyone have any idea if funds were lost that were La Salle's because of this? I know some people probably put some contributions in their investments.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 25, 2015 10:29:29 GMT -5
I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10. Unpopular question: What if, financially, leaving the A-10 is a clear best choice? No need for outlay on an arena, better chance at the postseason and postseason money, etc?
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Post by golasalle on Feb 25, 2015 10:35:56 GMT -5
I wish I could say otherwise but if the A-10 tells La Salle to put up or get out this administration very well could say bye to the A-10. Unpopular question: What if, financially, leaving the A-10 is a clear best choice? No need for outlay on an arena, better chance at the postseason and postseason money, etc? I know that your question is hypothetical, but I don't buy part of your premise that we would have a better chance at the postseason. The A10 has been historically a 3-5 bid league and our old friend the MAAC or any of the other smaller conferences are one bid. It is harder to recruit and get better players being in those leagues and you basically have everything riding (with some rare exceptions) on winning the conference tournament. The best teams in those leagues do not always win those tournaments.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 25, 2015 10:47:08 GMT -5
Unpopular question: What if, financially, leaving the A-10 is a clear best choice? No need for outlay on an arena, better chance at the postseason and postseason money, etc? I know that your question is hypothetical, but I don't buy part of your premise that we would have a better chance at the postseason. The A10 has been historically a 3-5 bid league and our old friend the MAAC or any of the other smaller conferences are one bid. It is harder to recruit and get better players being in those leagues and you basically have everything riding (with some rare exceptions) on winning the conference tournament. The best teams in those leagues do not always win those tournaments. This argument was always made prior to the NIT year. It's a bad one. Aside from this penalizing successful sports, it's a lame grab to be a 14-seed in the NCAA tournament. And, in my opinion, a cowards way out.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 25, 2015 10:51:31 GMT -5
The A-10 has historically been a 3-5 (that seems high) bid conference, which averages out to 80 in the last 2 decades, of which we've pulled in 1. Granted, I don't know the financials of just existing in the A-10 versus in the MAAC, but as we stand, there's no reason to think there's the commitment to ensure that doesn't happen again. As a presumed top MAAC program, I'd expect a lot better.
(This is not what I want, but if we don't commit to spending and existing at a true A-10 level, I'd think its a not unreasonable consideration.)
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Post by aswjr on Feb 25, 2015 10:52:00 GMT -5
Agreed leaving the A-10 would not be beneficial overall. As mentioned it's perennially looked as a high mid major and produces 3-5 bids a year. More importantly a lot more TV time/exposure which a lot of recruits are looking for...especially the second tier guys that are getting sniffs from big schools but don't get in, they want the next level of conferences. In a social media/popularity driven world that generation wants the chance to be on sportscenter or highlight shows and you have a better chance of that playing for a school in a conference like the A-10 where there are 2-3 ranked teams or teams sniffing the top 25.
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