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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 23, 2015 17:11:38 GMT -5
On the seating capacity issue, I'd say err on the smaller side, but maybe at least design the facility in such a way that you at least have a plan for what you would do to renovate to increase capacity, if the need ever arose.
If we ever found ourselves in a situation where demand increased enough where we had to increase facility size beyond 4500, I think it would be safe to say our financial situation would have changed also and we'd be able to renovate.
Hypothetical financial projections regarding a hypothetical renovation of a hypothetical arena. I win the internet.
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Post by coachd on Feb 23, 2015 17:11:58 GMT -5
Bill Greehey is the chairman of a 3.5B$ Revenue oil company. He gave 3.1M$ to build this...dont know the actual building cost. Since Pennsylvania had the first "oil boom" maybe we can get a nice donation from Quaker State Oil or Pennz Oil? Has anyone tried to contact those companies?
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 23, 2015 17:16:10 GMT -5
I did. Had to leave a message.
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Post by coachd on Feb 23, 2015 17:23:03 GMT -5
Shell owns both of them now... consolidation reduces donor potential!
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Post by SICguy84 on Feb 23, 2015 17:26:30 GMT -5
I have full faith and trust in the BOT, as currently comprised, to make the arena a top priority. All is well.
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Post by coachd on Feb 23, 2015 17:30:19 GMT -5
Build a pyramid shaped arena that has solar panels on the outside. Model it after either the great pyramid of Egypt or make it like the pyramid at Chichen Itza and make it a tourist destination. One additional feature: Around the base you'd have to construct a moat surrounding the pyramid except for the walkways that are over the water surrounding the outside. Fountains of water shooting in different directions would be a cool feature.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 23, 2015 17:55:03 GMT -5
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Post by aswjr on Feb 23, 2015 20:08:27 GMT -5
By no means a barn joe. But some of the posts I have read on here see to be going to the other extreme with boxes and all kinds of concessions. Reality is getting those things aren't going to happen because attendance isn't there. But a quality facility with the ability to grow as attendance grows is another thing. Minimal concessions, lower seats bleachers up top could work as attendance grows bleachers turn into seats. I'm talking lower 1500-2000 seats rest bleachers. Or student section bleachers. Or some variation. Save money where you can since it seems raising money is a major issue.
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 23, 2015 20:18:50 GMT -5
Bill Greehey is the chairman of a 3.5B$ Revenue oil company. He gave 3.1M$ to build this...dont know the actual building cost. Since Pennsylvania had the first "oil boom" maybe we can get a nice donation from Quaker State Oil or Pennz Oil? Has anyone tried to contact those companies? You are a tad late with that suggestion. Back in the 70's the home office of Quaker State was in Oil City, PA about 1.5 hours northeast of Pittsburg. I think they moved to Texas.
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Post by SICguy84 on Feb 23, 2015 20:22:31 GMT -5
Man on Mars or new arena, what happens first?
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 23, 2015 21:06:06 GMT -5
Are you guys really proposing a barn with renovations coming after? Come on... No - I'm saying the "barn" will cost $7MM give or take - from there you have to fit it out as an arena and I can't say how much that stuff will run you, but in theory you could have $18-$20 MM to do that
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 23, 2015 21:25:25 GMT -5
What's wrong with a stand alone 6,000 seat arena? Unless we're perennially good, we aren't going to sell it out, but if we could get 2500 students and 2000 alums on a regular basis, a 6,000 seat arena that's consistently 75% full will look decent. We cheaped out and butchered Gola in 1998, don't do the same thing 20 years later. Do it right, and we'll be set for 30 years.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 23, 2015 21:28:54 GMT -5
Are you guys really proposing a barn with renovations coming after? Come on... No - I'm saying the "barn" will cost $7MM give or take - from there you have to fit it out as an arena and I can't say how much that stuff will run you, but in theory you could have $18-$20 MM to do that Wasn't directed at you, but those that are proposing leaving it open for renovations. How many seats are in Temple's bottom bowl?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 23, 2015 21:29:25 GMT -5
What's wrong with a stand alone 6,000 seat arena? Unless we're perennially good, we aren't going to sell it out, but if we could get 2500 students and 2000 alums on a regular basis, a 6,000 seat arena that's consistently 75% full will look decent. We cheaped out and butchered Gola in 1998, don't do the same thing 20 years later. Do it right, and we'll be set for 30 years. This
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Post by explorerman on Feb 23, 2015 22:36:46 GMT -5
What's wrong with a stand alone 6,000 seat arena? Unless we're perennially good, we aren't going to sell it out, but if we could get 2500 students and 2000 alums on a regular basis, a 6,000 seat arena that's consistently 75% full will look decent. We cheaped out and butchered Gola in 1998, don't do the same thing 20 years later. Do it right, and we'll be set for 30 years. I know they were looking at prefab arenas several years ago.. It saves money and time.. Georgia Tech, Missouri, the London Olympics Basketball Arena were all prefab... Not saying I am behind it but just providing info out there.. I would even try to get a 10k arena (probably big for La Salle basketball) and curtain off the top section to hide the empty seats but provides a core foundation 25 years down the line... Concerts, shows for mid level performers where the WF Center is too big, etc..
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 24, 2015 9:22:11 GMT -5
I just eyeballed Temple's lower level. Each section has 25 rows of 20 seats. That is 500 seats per section. There are 6 full sections and 4 half sections on each side, so that is 4000 seats. There is then the side sections which I would guess would hold an additional 2000 or so. They put their students in bleachers behind the basket.
They then have boxes at the top of that. I'd guess 8-16 of them.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 24, 2015 9:23:39 GMT -5
What's wrong with a stand alone 6,000 seat arena? Unless we're perennially good, we aren't going to sell it out, but if we could get 2500 students and 2000 alums on a regular basis, a 6,000 seat arena that's consistently 75% full will look decent. We cheaped out and butchered Gola in 1998, don't do the same thing 20 years later. Do it right, and we'll be set for 30 years. I know they were looking at prefab arenas several years ago.. It saves money and time.. Georgia Tech, Missouri, the London Olympics Basketball Arena were all prefab... Not saying I am behind it but just providing info out there.. I would even try to get a 10k arena (probably big for La Salle basketball) and curtain off the top section to hide the empty seats but provides a core foundation 25 years down the line... Concerts, shows for mid level performers where the WF Center is too big, etc.. I'm fine with any pre-fab structure. As for the expansion potential, that's along my thinking, but I think it would be cool to have it set where maybe the top area is an open area with retractable seating and an indoor track for training. Only sell those seats when the basic seating area is full. 10,000 seems like an awful lot, plus, the Liacouras center already hosts a lot of mid-level shows. I think something that could go up to 7,500 is probably the max. 4,500-5,000 permanent seating with capacity up to 6,500 - 7,500 would allow us to draw at least a few mid-level BCS programs to our campus once in a while.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 24, 2015 9:31:09 GMT -5
How long does it take for a pre-fab arena to become fully fabulous? Might be a good idea if it drastically extends the useful life.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 24, 2015 10:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by coachd on Feb 24, 2015 14:15:43 GMT -5
What's wrong with a stand alone 6,000 seat arena? Unless we're perennially good, we aren't going to sell it out, but if we could get 2500 students and 2000 alums on a regular basis, a 6,000 seat arena that's consistently 75% full will look decent. We cheaped out and butchered Gola in 1998, don't do the same thing 20 years later. Do it right, and we'll be set for 30 years. I know they were looking at prefab arenas several years ago.. It saves money and time.. Georgia Tech, Missouri, the London Olympics Basketball Arena were all prefab... Not saying I am behind it but just providing info out there.. I would even try to get a 10k arena (probably big for La Salle basketball) and curtain off the top section to hide the empty seats but provides a core foundation 25 years down the line... Concerts, shows for mid level performers where the WF Center is too big, etc.. If you build it like that the roof should open for concerts in the summer.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Feb 24, 2015 15:03:18 GMT -5
The fact that this thread - in the middle of February - is now 5 pages long speaks volumes about the program and more specifically, the fan base. Nothing of value to add. Every couple of months, post a thread about facilities.
Reminds of Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School. We should build it in fantasy land.
(oh, and by the way, 15 pages - correction, now 16 pages - and counting on the St. Louis game is equally crazy.)
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Feb 24, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -5
If you build it like that the roof should open for concerts in the summer.
Would this be so that people (like yourself) who don't come down to the games can not come to the concerts and instead just complain?
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Post by golasalle on Feb 24, 2015 15:17:15 GMT -5
(oh, and by the way, 15 pages - correction, now 16 pages - and counting on the St. Louis game is equally crazy.) And the tread covering the Duquesne game, a decisive win, was a total of 4 pages, go figure.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 24, 2015 15:19:18 GMT -5
(oh, and by the way, 15 pages - correction, now 16 pages - and counting on the St. Louis game is equally crazy.) And the tread covering the Duquesne game, a decisive win, was a total of 4 pages, go figure. One was home and the other game was away?
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Post by MisterD on Feb 24, 2015 15:46:52 GMT -5
If you build it like that the roof should open for concerts in the summer.Would this be so that people (like yourself) who don't come down to the games can not come to the concerts and instead just complain? BUUUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNN!!!!!!!
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 24, 2015 15:53:28 GMT -5
And the tread covering the Duquesne game, a decisive win, was a total of 4 pages, go figure. One was home and the other game was away? Bingo!
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Post by golasalle on Feb 24, 2015 15:55:56 GMT -5
And the tread covering the Duquesne game, a decisive win, was a total of 4 pages, go figure. One was home and the other game was away? Good guess, but no. Both were on TV. Keep guessing...
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Post by explorerman on Feb 24, 2015 16:01:43 GMT -5
One was home and the other game was away? Good guess, but no. Both were on TV. Keep guessing... Really.. The Duquesne game wasn't at La Salle??? Yikes.. I must have a shitty memory...
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 24, 2015 16:06:35 GMT -5
We played really well against the Dukes so nothing to bitch about. We played well against the Bonnies and at VCU both away. It is the up and down of this team that drives every one crazy.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 24, 2015 16:27:20 GMT -5
We played really well against the Dukes so nothing to bitch about. Maybe we should put some effort into firing the opposing coaches after every win?
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