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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 12, 2014 11:23:30 GMT -5
Good luck in the A10 tournament... I wish you guys the very best...
Maybe.... one day those of us interested in amateur (AAU, HS, grassroots and college) basketball in Philadelphia can communicate effectively and rise above the partisanship that permeates the hoops community in Philly at all levels... It contains a LOT of educated and passionate people with a LOT to offer the families from which many of our "players" emerge...
We have a truly unique situation in our city and I believe there are some issue where cooperation and engagement would benefit all parties...
I'll keep trying (and probably offending)...
Again... Good Luck against St. Bonnies and St. Louis... Would love to see a game 3 on Saturday at 1:30pm...
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Post by jellybean on Mar 12, 2014 11:37:49 GMT -5
Before this is locked, let me say to PH4L, what was the reason for starting a thread on a basketball message board? It is hard to tell the time frame of the shooting and when the tread was started but what was the urgency to start a thread? Why not leave that to the news media?
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Post by MisterD on Mar 12, 2014 11:45:45 GMT -5
That might be a question for me since I started it. The reason is because there was nothing on the traditional news media so I figured a combined source effort would be best since we're a La Salle community here. At the time, there was no indication either way (that I could find) about whether it was a "La Salle shooting" or a "shooting near La Salle".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 11:47:59 GMT -5
Phillyhoopsforlife is unfairly being categorized as a message board hack. Please lighten up my friend, dd.
Let me please reiterate. St Joe's fans, in general, message board or not, do not care about us. They don't acknowledge we are even a rivalry, snobby as that sounds, they were in our corner last march which they would never be for nova. Even though our program has long ago passed theirs, they still beleaguer losing to us the way we beleaguer losing to Bonaventure or Duquesne. I think it is unfair to paint them in any other light. A St Joe's troll is harmlessly passionate about St Joe's and it's pretty clear to me that they are being unfairly disparaged here. It's not like the unintelligent and spiteful Temple fans we get around here. And if you give St Joes a bad name because of one or two posters six years ago then La Salle fanbase has to own the frequent outlandish remarks by a certain other poster who is so passionate about our team that he resorts to taking unnecessary potshots at many figures in our organization who fail to impress him with a win every time we get on the court.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 12, 2014 11:51:42 GMT -5
D-fucking-minus post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 11:53:31 GMT -5
That might be a question for me since I started it. The reason is because there was nothing on the traditional news media so I figured a combined source effort would be best since we're a La Salle community here. At the time, there was no indication either way (that I could find) about whether it was a "La Salle shooting" or a "shooting near La Salle". Kyw traffic merely said olney ave is closed due to police activity near 20th street. ("Uber" is an unknown quantity to nonlocals) If La Salle didn't send out an alert, is it irresponsible or disrespectful for amateur tweeters to have their own comedic take? I think La Salle silence on matters like this unfortunately invites more scrutiny. You have to realize though there are federally mandated safety reports and we are in compliance with those. La Salle somewhat unfairly has a reputation about safety when in reality the letting down your guard can happen anywhere even sacred nova or overbrook. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 12, 2014 11:57:58 GMT -5
The original posting on Hawk Droppings Board had a two fold purpose. First was to start a debate about violence in our fair city and the second was a thinly veiled attempt to point the finger and say "hey guys, look what happened over at La Salle." Like a game of telephone. This would historically elicit a mixed bag of comments ranging from sorrow for the victim to how Olney is supposedly akin to Baghdad. To the credit of SJU of Penna. people, it did not head in that direction, but I am confident that it will be referenced again next season prior to a rivalry game. If PH4L was concerned, why didn't he immediately post here? Why did he not post thoughts about being concerned, outraged, upset? Why run back to his board not three minutes after the victim expired at the hospital? Just looks bad, I'm sorry. And why does he only come here to post items from a personal blog or to stir the pot about Aaric Murray.
As for the original tweets, I'm dismayed that a student would post these stupid twitter comments which were dubious at best.
PH4L, outside agitator.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 12, 2014 12:10:30 GMT -5
Before this is locked, let me say to PH4L, what was the reason for starting a thread on a basketball message board? It is hard to tell the time frame of the shooting and when the tread was started but what was the urgency to start a thread? Why not leave that to the news media? Just a few days ago there was thread about the location of the A10 tournament. Several people expressed dissatisfaction with Brooklyn... I suggested Philadelphia and Liacouras... There were several people that felt that the Temple campus was "unsafe", "crime ridden" and "not desirable". I STRONGLY disagreed with that assessment. I pointed out that ALL of the city campuses were vulnerable to criminal activity and random violence. Specifically, I pointed out serious incidents involving Penn and Drexel students in University. The incident at La Salle only highlighted the random nature of this violence that plagues our city. Sports, for me, is about far more than entertainment... I am keenly interested in the financial, educational and social aspects of sports. This interest is reflected in the wide range of topics that I post and blog about. The SJU message board give me an opportunity to interact with a group of college educated predominantly white males about a host of issues surrounding sports. I truly enjoy hearing other perspectives. I learn to see things from a different point of view. I like to think I add a little "flavor" to discussions because I openly and explicitly view things from an urban black male perspective. For me... The question is: "why not" have such a discussion on a message board? This thread was nothing more than a continuation of an on-going dialogue on the SJU board about violence and crime on Philadelphia's college campuses. Rebounds, assists, recruiting, scheduling, defensive strategies, tournament chances and all that other basketball stuff is fun to talk about. But I am also interested in sports as it intersects with the larger society. My GrandPop always used to tell me "everything ain't for everybody"... I chose to have the discussion on the SJU board because they have engaged me in these discussions over and over again. I know I'm better off having communicated and exchanged thoughts with people I don't encounter every day. Several of them have told me they feel the same way. I didn't post on this site because I don't have the same level of familiarity with you guys... It's your cyber-community and I respect that...For some here... I'm and "Ass", "dumb" and a "Hawk fan" and therefore my thoughts and ideas are unworthy of consideration... I get it... Nonetheless, I remain convinced that the supporters of the Philly hoops community have more to offer than just the "cost" of admission to the games.... A LOT more... Everything ain't for everybody... |
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Post by jellybean on Mar 12, 2014 12:14:09 GMT -5
La Salle did send out a mass text alert. My understanding there was no lock down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 12:16:24 GMT -5
Not exactly. I think philahoopsforlife has established his own credibility as an impartial big 5 fan. Some got on him pretty hard for merely reposting what he saw elsewhere. I think that is an obvious overreaction, to lump him in with trolls. With St Joes fans, they arent actively engaged in smearing la salle. It's their lack of talk that rankles some. But last march, i remember, they had a post following our sweet16 and there were no disparaging remarks aimed at our program whatsoever. They merely disparaged their own AD for letting st joes fall from similar levels so quickly. |
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Post by golasalle on Mar 12, 2014 12:17:48 GMT -5
Not exactly. I think philahoopsforlife has established his own credibility as an impartial big 5 fan. Some got on him pretty hard for merely reposting what he saw elsewhere. I think that is an obvious overreaction, to lump him in with trolls. With St Joes fans, they arent actively engaged in smearing la salle. It's their lack of talk that rankles some. But last march, i remember, they had a post following our sweet16 and there were no disparaging remarks aimed at our program whatsoever. They merely disparaged their own AD for letting st joes fall from similar levels so quickly. Hykos, if your theory is accurate then why did he post it on the St. Joe board FIRST, literally minutes after the incident, instead of posting it here, since it was our campus?? He states that he freely comments here so it is not like he is a stranger. While he may not elevate to troll status, his post on their BASKETBALL board abut a crime near our campus that had not even a remote connection with basketball clearly had an ulterior motive to stir things up. Cannot see how you can ignore that. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 12, 2014 12:19:19 GMT -5
Hykos: I was making a Steve grading joke
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Post by MisterD on Mar 12, 2014 12:23:03 GMT -5
If La Salle didn't send out an alert, is it irresponsible or disrespectful for amateur tweeters to have their own comedic take? If someone sees it out the window of their classroom, I don't think they have a responsibility to clean up their tweet or soften it to be as La Salle friendly as a murder right across the street can be. Its a real event that really happened. As for the complaints about the late notice ... I'm torn on that. There was a notification that went out, but how long it took is a fair complaint. Information is instantaneous these days so a matter of minutes after a shooting is probably too late since info, both good and bad, is already swirling. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 12:23:51 GMT -5
If there was a shooting in overbrook it would be posted on this board and that is a fact we should acknowledge before closing this thread.
I'm a friend of some st joes guys and thats a fact. I will never bring myself to root for their sports teams But after the game I have no problem with their fans and I dont think it is fair the way their fans are being depicted as asses.
I know kjmac has anecdotal evidence of the opposite but to me every fan base has displayed their share of that, even La Salle and Penn, though none bigger than Temple's. St joes is just a blip on the radar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 12:27:31 GMT -5
Before this is locked, let me say to PH4L, what was the reason for starting a thread on a basketball message board? It is hard to tell the time frame of the shooting and when the tread was started but what was the urgency to start a thread? Why not leave that to the news media? Just a few days ago there was thread about the location of the A10 tournament. Â Several people expressed dissatisfaction with Brooklyn... I suggested Philadelphia and Liacouras... Â There were several people that felt that the Temple campus was "unsafe", "crime ridden" and "not desirable". Â I STRONGLY disagreed with that assessment. Â I pointed out that ALL of the city campuses were vulnerable to criminal activity and random violence. Â Specifically, I pointed out serious incidents involving Penn and Drexel students in University. Â The incident at La Salle only highlighted the random nature of this violence that plagues our city. Sports, for me, is about far more than entertainment... I am keenly interested in the financial, educational and social aspects of sports. Â This interest is reflected in the wide range of topics that I post and blog about. The SJU message board give me an opportunity to interact with a group of college educated predominantly white males about a host of issues surrounding sports. Â I truly enjoy hearing other perspectives. Â I learn to see things from a different point of view. Â I like to think I add a little "flavor" to discussions because I openly and explicitly view things from an urban black male perspective. For me... The question is: "why not" have such a discussion on a message board? This thread was nothing more than a continuation of an on-going dialogue on the SJU board about violence and crime on Philadelphia's college campuses. Â Rebounds, assists, recruiting, scheduling, defensive strategies, tournament chances and all that other basketball stuff is fun to talk about. Â But I am also interested in sports as it intersects with the larger society. My GrandPop always used to tell me "everything ain't for everybody"... I chose to have the discussion on the SJU board because they have engaged me in these discussions over and over again. Â I know I'm better off having communicated and exchanged thoughts with people I don't encounter every day. Â Several of them have told me they feel the same way. I didn't post on this site because I don't have the same level of familiarity with you guys... It's your cyber-community and I respect that...For some here... I'm and "Ass", "dumb" and a "Hawk fan" and therefore my thoughts and ideas are unworthy of consideration... I get it... Nonetheless, I remain convinced that the supporters of the Philly hoops community have more to offer than just the "cost" of admission to the games.... A LOT more... Everything ain't for everybody... Â Thanks for the clarification, phf4l. Sorry you got taken to task repeatedly over what I believe to be just a misunderstanding and an overreaction to your reaction. I think your reaction was valid and credible and was not motivated by any vitriol for st joes or anti La Salle. The way I see it, your first response was fairly typical and not over the top. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 12, 2014 12:33:33 GMT -5
PH4L continues to stir the pot by coming to this site to rehash it again and again. The thread on their board was made, some alleged La Salle fan's countered, everyone expressed sadness about the death, and life went on. Let's all say a little prayer for the victim and witnesses and move back to basketball talk.
The Hawk is and always will be Dead.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 12, 2014 12:37:10 GMT -5
Not exactly. I think philahoopsforlife has established his own credibility as an impartial big 5 fan. Some got on him pretty hard for merely reposting what he saw elsewhere. I think that is an obvious overreaction, to lump him in with trolls. With St Joes fans, they arent actively engaged in smearing la salle. It's their lack of talk that rankles some. But last march, i remember, they had a post following our sweet16 and there were no disparaging remarks aimed at our program whatsoever. They merely disparaged their own AD for letting st joes fall from similar levels so quickly. Hykos, if your theory is accurate then why did he post it on the St. Joe board FIRST, literally minutes after the incident, instead of posting it here, since it was our campus?? He states that he freely comments here so it is not like he is a stranger. While he may not elevate to troll status, his post on their BASKETBALL board abut a crime near our campus that had not even a remote connection with basketball clearly had an ulterior motive to stir things up. Cannot see how you can ignore that. As I stated in the previous post... I didn't post on this site because I don't have the same level of familiarity with you guys... It's your cyber-community and I respect that... Read more: explorertown.proboards.com/thread/1291/shooting-on-near-campus?page=2#ixzz2vloDKmYYThis past Saturday I attended the Nova-Georgetown game as a guest of Ashley Howard and Jay Wright.. I was invited into the locker room after game and witnessed their celebration of the Big East regular season championship... I have some nice pics if you want to see them... Upon see the pics, the SJU coaches called me a "closet Nova fan"... All in good fun... The week before that I was guest of Monte Ross when Delaware defeated Drexel... Two days prior to that I was in Bruiser's office celebrating Rashann London's magnificent ACT score after participating in my program... Earlier in the week I attended a game with Fran Dunphy in NJ where he watched one of my players... I have been a guest of Coach Giannini and Horace Owens at a few LaSalle games... I'm a college basketball fan.. Especially City 6 basketball... I have very good relationships with ALL of the D1, D2, HS and AAU coaches in the area and a few of the Ads and trustees... Now... the fan-bases... that's another matter altogether.... |
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Post by golasalle on Mar 12, 2014 12:49:51 GMT -5
Hykos, if your theory is accurate then why did he post it on the St. Joe board FIRST, literally minutes after the incident, instead of posting it here, since it was our campus?? He states that he freely comments here so it is not like he is a stranger. While he may not elevate to troll status, his post on their BASKETBALL board abut a crime near our campus that had not even a remote connection with basketball clearly had an ulterior motive to stir things up. Cannot see how you can ignore that. As I stated in the previous post... I didn't post on this site because I don't have the same level of familiarity with you guys... It's your cyber-community and I respect that... Read more: explorertown.proboards.com/thread/1291/shooting-on-near-campus?page=2#ixzz2vloDKmYYThis past Saturday I attended the Nova-Georgetown game as a guest of Ashley Howard and Jay Wright.. I was invited into the locker room after game and witnessed their celebration of the Big East regular season championship... I have some nice pics if you want to see them... Upon see the pics, the SJU coaches called me a "closet Nova fan"... All in good fun... The week before that I was guest of Monte Ross when Delaware defeated Drexel... Two days prior to that I was in Bruiser's office celebrating Rashann London's magnificent ACT score after participating in my program... Earlier in the week I attended a game with Fran Dunphy in NJ where he watched one of my players... I have been a guest of Coach Giannini and Horace Owens at a few LaSalle games... I'm a college basketball fan.. Especially City 6 basketball... I have very good relationships with ALL of the D1, D2, HS and AAU coaches in the area and a few of the Ads and trustees... Now... the fan-bases... that's another matter altogether.... Sorry, your post appeared while I was typing mine so I didn't see it. Still, quickly posting it on the St. Joe board, even if it was a nah, nah, it happens everywhere, not just Temple, you had to know it would tee up comments about La Salle's neighborhood that the good people over there are more than happy to rant about (and they come here and do it as well), so I cannot believe you had no inkling of that potential. Regardless, I am done with this topic. As to your comment about how you think everything should be up for discussion on a college basketball fan board, you may or may not know that our old board was destroyed by a jackass who insisted on posting his loony-tunes philosophical, religious, political and sociological views at every chance he got. I have read your blog and you have some thought provoking stuff that expands beyond basketball. Good for you. However, the further we get from basketball, the more opening there is for the nuts to destroy the board. I have other places to go for political and sociological discussions and I BEG that this board not go down the Steve rabbit hole again. |
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 12, 2014 13:02:59 GMT -5
As I stated in the previous post... I didn't post on this site because I don't have the same level of familiarity with you guys... It's your cyber-community and I respect that... Read more: explorertown.proboards.com/thread/1291/shooting-on-near-campus?page=2#ixzz2vloDKmYYThis past Saturday I attended the Nova-Georgetown game as a guest of Ashley Howard and Jay Wright.. I was invited into the locker room after game and witnessed their celebration of the Big East regular season championship... I have some nice pics if you want to see them... Upon see the pics, the SJU coaches called me a "closet Nova fan"... All in good fun... The week before that I was guest of Monte Ross when Delaware defeated Drexel... Two days prior to that I was in Bruiser's office celebrating Rashann London's magnificent ACT score after participating in my program... Earlier in the week I attended a game with Fran Dunphy in NJ where he watched one of my players... I have been a guest of Coach Giannini and Horace Owens at a few LaSalle games... I'm a college basketball fan.. Especially City 6 basketball... I have very good relationships with ALL of the D1, D2, HS and AAU coaches in the area and a few of the Ads and trustees... Now... the fan-bases... that's another matter altogether.... Sorry, your post appeared while I was typing mine so I didn't see it. Still, quickly posting it on the St. Joe board, even if it was a nah, nah, it happens everywhere, not just Temple, you had to know it would tee up comments about La Salle's neighborhood that the good people over there are more than happy to rant about (and they come here and do it as well), so I cannot believe you had no inkling of that potential. Regardless, I am done with this topic. As to your comment about how you think everything should be up for discussion on a college basketball fan board, you may or may not know that our old board was destroyed by a jackass who insisted on posting his loony-tunes philosophical, religious, political and sociological views at every chance he got. I have read your blog and you have some thought provoking stuff that expands beyond basketball. Good for you. However, the further we get from basketball, the more opening there is for the nuts to destroy the board. I have other places to go for political and sociological discussions and I BEG that this board not go down the Steve rabbit hole again. The thing is.. the thread is still up.. There's not a SINGLE disparaging comment about La Salle's neighborhood So... we can deal with what was actually said/written/posted OR we can deal with what you think I "knew".. I have carved out a space on the SJU message board for broad ranging discussions... I don't think I've acted in a way that contributes to the destruction of this board!! Seems like you have your mind made up about me and my intentions... That's ok... I can't agree with you, however, because then we would both be wrong... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 13:10:40 GMT -5
Let me please reiterate. St Joe's fans, in general, message board or not, do not care about us.  (rofl)Come on hykos. You are giving them way too much credit. They care so little about La Salle that they make trashing the school, it's team and it's campus a pasttime on their board. They don't acknowledge we are even a rivalry, snobby as that sounds, they were in our corner last march You can't be that gullible. Maybe a handful of them rooted for La Salle, but the vast majority want nothing better than to see La Salle fail so they can continue to trash everything that is La Salle, despite their claims. It's similar to the funniest thread I think I ever read on their board. After their loss to GW, someone started a thread about only losers blame the refs, and just about every one of them started off their posts agreeing with that and then went on to blame the refs anyway. Even worse, their coach did it at the press conference while the A10 sat by and did nothing. A St Joe's troll is harmlessly passionate about St Joe's and it's pretty clear to me that they are being unfairly disparaged here I read their board regularly. Cabrey banned me from their old board for speaking the truth and defending La Salle but since I already had a Scout user id, I have the ability to post there now, but rarely do because it's just not worth the trouble. But I can say with absolute certainty that their board is collectively one of the most mean-spirited and downright nasty boards I've come across. And I'm not talking about just towards La Salle. Sorry, but you need to take off your crimson and gray sunglasses from your SJP days. It's not like the unintelligent and spiteful Temple fans we get around here. The main reason Hawk fans haven't shown up much here lately is because they haven't had anything to throw in our faces. Funny how a few started showing up after their win at Gola. And it would have been even worse if they won last Sunday. Funny how we haven't heard a peep since then. And I commend everyone on this board for not going on their board and rubbing that loss in their faces. It would have been easy to do, especially considering their comments about La Salle prior to the game. the La Salle fanbase has to own the frequent outlandish remarks by a certain other poster who is so passionate about our team that he resorts to taking unnecessary potshots at many figures in our organization who fail to impress him with a win every time we get on the court. I agree 100% with you on this one. |
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Post by 1801olney on Mar 12, 2014 13:22:26 GMT -5
Where is HeadPainter? and better yet, where is Mik?
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 12, 2014 13:31:29 GMT -5
But I can say with absolute certainty that their board is collectively one of the most mean-spirited and downright nasty boards I've come across. And I'm not talking about just towards La Salle.  |
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Post by SICguy84 on Mar 12, 2014 13:37:21 GMT -5
The thing is.. the thread is still up.. There's not a SINGLE disparaging comment about La Salle's neighborhood I'm sure at some point you will head back over and inform our Jesuit friends something along the lines of...."I'm being killed over on the La Salle board about my Olney Avenue Shooting thread." Agitator. Let's just let it end. |
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Post by jellybean on Mar 12, 2014 13:53:51 GMT -5
If there was a shooting in overbrook it would be posted on this board and that is a fact we should acknowledge before closing this thread. I'm a friend of some st joes guys and thats a fact. I will never bring myself to root for their sports teams But after the game I have no problem with their fans and I dont think it is fair the way their fans are being depicted as asses. I know kjmac has anecdotal evidence of the opposite but to me every fan base has displayed their share of that, even La Salle and Penn, though none bigger than Temple's. St joes is just a blip on the radar. I don't think so. There is all kinds of Police activity in Overbrook and it is never the cause of a thread here. |
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Mar 12, 2014 14:20:43 GMT -5
The thing is.. the thread is still up.. There's not a SINGLE disparaging comment about La Salle's neighborhood I'm sure at some point you will head back over and inform our Jesuit friends something along the lines of...."I'm being killed over on the La Salle board about my Olney Avenue Shooting thread." Agitator. Let's just let it end. Again... we can deal with facts or what you are "sure" I will do... Good luck guys... Get some wins in Brooklyn...  |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 12, 2014 15:55:04 GMT -5
I hate locking threads, but this one is beyond redemption.
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