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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 23, 2014 11:43:00 GMT -5
Turned game off at half because they did not look themselves and was not at all surprised they lost game considering ridiculous travel time required to go the hole in the wall town in the garbage dump state of New York. Team is an NIT team which is far from the end of the world and although many on board will de disappointed I will be happy with 21-22 wins(counting the NIT). We have a very mediocre shooting team and next season this will improve with Roberts,Price and Schuler who all are good shooters.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 11:51:15 GMT -5
So you "expect" us at 15-3 right now? Team should probably be around 14-4. Again Manhattan is a decent team but not someone you should lose to at home, Penn State and Northern Iowa we should have expected to beat this year. I realize, as I stated in another post, that it is difficult to play up in Olean, but to go up there and give the effort we did last night was just unacceptable. Even if you looked at those 4 teams as a group we should expect to win at least 3 of the 4 which would have us at 14-4. But obviously looking how the team is playing now we can't expect much I guess. And it is a shame because the players on the team are great kids and have done wonders for the University and program both on and off the court. But the team's play on the court has really disappointed this season.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 23, 2014 11:53:05 GMT -5
Far more comforting to embrace the fact that the loss of Galloway is the problem because the alternative is far more frustrating. I'm willing to chalk up the early season failures to Duren being a shell of himself. After sleeping on it, the Bona game still tastes bad. Last night, they shit the bed. I don't buy into the bus somehow contributed to the lack of focus that was demonstrated last night. Did the team push the bus up to Olean?
Look forward to getting back on course on Saturday.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 11:57:20 GMT -5
Galloway gone, Duren injured ... we aren't supposed to keep winning. Look at it as a basketball fan and not a La Salle fan and nothing to date doesn't make sense.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 11:58:13 GMT -5
Galloway gone, Duren injured ... we aren't supposed to keep winning. Look at it as a basketball fan and not a La Salle fan and nothing to date doesn't make sense. I will respectfully disagree
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 23, 2014 12:02:33 GMT -5
84 not making excuses but try taking a six to seven hour bus ride and getting to bed at what 3 to 4am and see how great you feel waking up the next afternoon. Don't ask me why but taking a long bus ride is exhausting even with just sitting. Hell going to that depressing place is enough to make you long for home. Who in ther right mind would want to live in Suckacuse, Buffaloshit or any other place in that state. My youngest goes to Hofstra and I cross Goethles Bridge which looks like it was built sometime in the 1700's and then get on to the beautiful South State Parkway which truly makes you appreciate the Surekill Expy.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 12:08:52 GMT -5
To back up Bonnies home court, here's their games above/below .500, home, road ...
2013-14: +7, -3 2012-13: +2, -4 2011-12: +11, 0 2010-11: +5, -4 2009-10: +5, -7
5 years running, never under .500 at home, never over .500 on the road. Seriously, playing there sucks if travel goes well and you can't just look at their overall record and declare them "a team that has to be beaten". They are repeatedly good at home, bad on the road, and its location driven.
(Also, their 2012-13 squad is a nice comp for our team this year. Did we expect them to carry on without Nicholson simply because YOU HAVE TO KEEP WINNING?)
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 12:10:34 GMT -5
(For those not adding it up, that's a 48 game difference between home and away over the last 4.5 seasons. I have no other numbers (nor the desire to find them), but I'm going to venture a guess that's 90th percentile gap if not higher.)
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 23, 2014 12:21:11 GMT -5
So you "expect" us at 15-3 right now? Team should probably be around 14-4. Again Manhattan is a decent team but not someone you should lose to at home, Penn State and Northern Iowa we should have expected to beat this year. I realize, as I stated in another post, that it is difficult to play up in Olean, but to go up there and give the effort we did last night was just unacceptable. Even if you looked at those 4 teams as a group we should expect to win at least 3 of the 4 which would have us at 14-4. But obviously looking how the team is playing now we can't expect much I guess. And it is a shame because the players on the team are great kids and have done wonders for the University and program both on and off the court. But the team's play on the court has really disappointed this season. The problem with your argument of the team's play being unacceptable and not giving enough effort is that the game was tied in the second half at 37. I just don't understand how you can come to that conclusion when this was still a winnable game with a little over 5 minutes to play. Did they end the game poorly? Yes. But does that define their play for all 40 minutes? No. At no point did this team give up. They had an off night. They're college kids, I think they're entitled to a bad game every once in a while. And your attitude makes it seem like you're the only one that realizes how important these games are. You don't think the players want to get back to the tournament? They don't hear/read the media comments that they turned the corner after the 5 game win streak. This team wants to win. The coaches want to win. Nobody should question their effort unless it's crystal clear they've given up. And after winning 5 of their last 6 it's pretty clear they haven't. The only person giving up on this team is you. Why don't you wait until the full season is played before you start labeling the play of this team.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 12:28:16 GMT -5
I don't think we ever lose. Its either pathetic play or pathetic effort or pathetic something. We never simply lose in a sport where one of two teams has to lose.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 12:41:01 GMT -5
[/quote]The problem with your argument of the team's play being unacceptable and not giving enough effort is that the game was tied in the second half at 37. I just don't understand how you can come to that conclusion when this was still a winnable game with a little over 5 minutes to play. Did they end the game poorly? Yes. But does that define their play for all 40 minutes? No.
At no point did this team give up. They had an off night. They're college kids, I think they're entitled to a bad game every once in a while. And your attitude makes it seem like you're the only one that realizes how important these games are. You don't think the players want to get back to the tournament? They don't hear/read the media comments that they turned the corner after the 5 game win streak. This team wants to win. The coaches want to win. Nobody should question their effort unless it's crystal clear they've given up. And after winning 5 of their last 6 it's pretty clear they haven't. The only person giving up on this team is you. Why don't you wait until the full season is played before you start labeling the play of this team. [/quote]
You thought last night's game was winnable with a little over 5 minutes left? That we could actually win that game the way we were playing. Come on.
Problem is this isn't a "it's only one game" situation. Too many winnable games this team just hasn't shown up for. I'm sure the players and coaches want to win, but an effort like they put forth last night isn't going to get it done. That should be obvious for all of us, coaches, players, and fans.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 23, 2014 13:05:16 GMT -5
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and exhale. If you need a good laugh right now, go to Steve's website and read his hilarious / disturbing / creepy synopsis of the game.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Jan 23, 2014 13:13:22 GMT -5
When St. Joseph's of PA went from the Elite 8 to the NIT, did we blame "underperforming" or did we say "no shit, they lost Nelson and West"? We're a mid-major, this is what happens. Comparing the loss of Nelson/West/Jones/Barley to Ramon Galloway is wrong. Two of the guys were first round picks and 3 of them played in the NBA. The team is underperforming; they could win the A10 and make it back for all we know. Losses like last night happen; hopefully they build momentum after a big win against VCU.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 23, 2014 13:24:36 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks we were anything but a bubble team going into this season isn't being realistic. We were nothing more than a bubble team, and this is the life of a mid-major bubble team - more often than not, you're going to be disappointed.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 14:14:36 GMT -5
Not to mention, we were a very, very, very lucky bubble team last year. If we get passed over, do we still consider ourselves at-large or failures or did one pretty awesome run completely skew internal expectations? We barely made the tourney, we barely held on against K-State, we needed a last second shot against Ole Miss. This season isn't everything going wrong, the run that led to these expectations was everything going right.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 23, 2014 14:52:50 GMT -5
Some of you people are f'in rediculous. Already in complete meltdown mode after losing to a solid Bonnies squad. We keep talking about last year and next year, just stop. None of you can say next years team will be better it just your speculation based on what you have read in scouting reports.This year is far from over. At least pretend to be level headed.
It is so hard to win on the road in the A10. How about we discuss how good the bonnies actually are since nearly everybody has decided to ignore that fact. They nearly beat UMass away, gave everything they had against Saint Louis and GW losing both by single digits. They are a mid pack A10 team. Kloof is a hell of a guard and Ndoye is probably up for most improved player, excellent big man.
LETS MOVE ON and focus on VCU. That is all, stop your b"tching.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 15:14:34 GMT -5
Some of you people are f'in rediculous. Already in complete meltdown mode after losing to a solid Bonnies squad. We keep talking about last year and next year, just stop. None of you can say next years team will be better it just your speculation based on what you have read in scouting reports.This year is far from over. At least pretend to be level headed. It is so hard to win on the road in the A10. How about we discuss how good the bonnies actually are since nearly everybody has decided to ignore that fact. They nearly beat UMass away, gave everything they had against Saint Louis and GW losing both by single digits. They are a mid pack A10 team. Kloof is a hell of a guard and Ndoye is probably up for most improved player, excellent big man. LETS MOVE ON and focus on VCU. That is all, stop your b"tching. So if we stop our b****ing, hopefully the team starts playing the way they should. Got it.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 15:16:24 GMT -5
Is the flipside if we bitch louder and harder the wins will pour in? No. Its just irritating to see that we're back right back to the pre-Boise State "every loss is a tragedy" nonsense.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 15:22:14 GMT -5
Is the flipside if we bitch louder and harder the wins will pour in? No. Its just irritating to see that we're back right back to the pre-Boise State "every loss is a tragedy" nonsense. Nope, just losses like last night where the team completely collapsed and played terrible. And losses like Manhattan, Penn State, Northern Iowa. Also, if there was ever a year to steal a win on the road against a team like Miami, since they absolutely lost a ton, this would have been the year, but then again we shouldn't expect a shot to win there either.
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Post by mookie on Jan 23, 2014 15:25:43 GMT -5
I think the Sweet 16 run made some people here believe that LaSalle is a perennial NCAA team now despite being a bubble team who won a few games in the tourney based on a hot streak, and as one poster said, "everything going right".
Galloway is one person, but he was a glue guy and a boxsheet filler. Losing him would make this team a bubble team at best and a likely NIT team. Throw in the injury that Duren was playing with to start the season and it makes it completely understandable why the team struggled and loss games they shouldn't have (Manhattan & PSU). Northern Iowa I think was just a bad matchup altogether.
The meltdown and crapping on this team needs to stop. The run last year was great and is definitely important for future success in recruiting and securing funding for a new arena but let's have perspective. There will be down times and the team will obviously struggle when there's no person to step in and take over what Galloway provided, but by no means are they a bad team. They are an average to above average team that when healthy, will win games they should win and struggle during the process. They will have bad nights but yesterday, they had everything stacked against them. The Bonnies are a decent team...they are at least average and you put two average teams together, the one with home court advantage will usually win.
Let it go...the team hopefully has already and are focusing on VCU now.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 15:27:02 GMT -5
Nope, just losses like last night where the team completely collapsed and played terrible. And losses like Manhattan, Penn State, Northern Iowa. Also, if there was ever a year to steal a win on the road against a team like Miami, since they absolutely lost a ton, this would have been the year, but then again we shouldn't expect a shot to win there either. And you were whining in the Providence game thread as well.
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Post by mookie on Jan 23, 2014 15:27:36 GMT -5
Is the flipside if we bitch louder and harder the wins will pour in? No. Its just irritating to see that we're back right back to the pre-Boise State "every loss is a tragedy" nonsense. Nope, just losses like last night where the team completely collapsed and played terrible. And losses like Manhattan, Penn State, Northern Iowa. Also, if there was ever a year to steal a win on the road against a team like Miami, since they absolutely lost a ton, this would have been the year, but then again we shouldn't expect a shot to win there either. So you don't think an injury to Duren, arguably the team's best player AND the guy who is the floor general has zero impact?
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 15:33:58 GMT -5
Nope, just losses like last night where the team completely collapsed and played terrible. And losses like Manhattan, Penn State, Northern Iowa. Also, if there was ever a year to steal a win on the road against a team like Miami, since they absolutely lost a ton, this would have been the year, but then again we shouldn't expect a shot to win there either. And you were whining in the Providence game thread as well. Providence would have been a nice win on a neutral court. At least we made a run in that game and made it a contest. We needed to go 2-1 at the Paradise Jam. Providence would have been a huge win, and we were within 3 late, but yet again couldn't pull that game out either. We still could have gone 2-1 in the Paradise Jam after that loss to Providence, but followed it up with a dreadful performance against Northern Iowa.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 23, 2014 15:37:47 GMT -5
If you want to bit"h about the paradise jam still go do it in the other thread and see how many responses you get.
MOVE ON. Still have VCU, @gw, @umass, and SLU.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 15:39:45 GMT -5
Nope, just losses like last night where the team completely collapsed and played terrible. And losses like Manhattan, Penn State, Northern Iowa. Also, if there was ever a year to steal a win on the road against a team like Miami, since they absolutely lost a ton, this would have been the year, but then again we shouldn't expect a shot to win there either. So you don't think an injury to Duren, arguably the team's best player AND the guy who is the floor general has zero impact? Of course I think it has an impact, but you have to find ways to win. Guys have to step up. Also, I love how Wichita State can lose two talented players like Carl Hall and Malcolm Armstead after their Final 4 run and are currently 20-0. Guess they adjusted as a team.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 15:40:33 GMT -5
If you want to bit"h about the paradise jam still go do it in the other thread and see how many responses you get. MOVE ON. Still have VCU, @gw, @umass, and SLU. Um, responding to someone's post.
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Post by goexplorers on Jan 23, 2014 15:42:13 GMT -5
I don't think anyone was thinking perennial NCAA team...but certainly this year to piggyback off of last year. We're graduating 4 senior guards (3 who start) - I think we all realistically were ok with taking a step back after this year. No one was unrealistic to think we would be in this year. That's why no top 50 teams would schedule us.
I said to my wife as we left the Temple game that we would lose on Wed to the Bonnies. That was as predictable as the sunrise. Vegas knew it, I knew it - a letdown was inevitable. I think we all need to move on from it, as bad as it was, and re-focus on Saturday.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 15:53:34 GMT -5
Of course I think it has an impact, but you have to find ways to win. Guys have to step up. Also, I love how Wichita State can lose two talented players like Carl Hall and Malcolm Armstead after their Final 4 run and are currently 20-0. Guess they adjusted as a team. I'm going to be done after this, but you're just being petulant. Your team is the special team that should "just find a way to win" every single game despite the fact that one team has to lose every game. Mid-major college basketball is just a really bad hobby for that mindset. Good luck. I love you.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 15:56:13 GMT -5
Of course I think it has an impact, but you have to find ways to win. Guys have to step up. Also, I love how Wichita State can lose two talented players like Carl Hall and Malcolm Armstead after their Final 4 run and are currently 20-0. Guess they adjusted as a team. I'm going to be done after this, but you're just being petulant. Your team is the special team that should "just find a way to win" every single game despite the fact that one team has to lose every game. Mid-major college basketball is just a really bad hobby for that mindset. Good luck. I love you. Ok, agree to disagree. I'll move on.
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Post by fvp47 on Jan 23, 2014 15:59:43 GMT -5
I think all agree, even sports writers, that this has been a disappointing season so far. We are 11-7 and I think we should be about 13-5 or 14-4. All that being said if one would go back 4-5 years we would probably be happy to be having a winning season. NIT bid, NCAA bid, Sweet Sixteen all brings excitement and expectations. The problem with expectations is they can also breed disappointment which is where we are now. I am inclined to keep the faith and that the coach that got us there within the last two years will get us there again.
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