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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 22, 2014 23:23:22 GMT -5
It's not the end of the world, but even those of us who wouldn't admit it were starting to do the "if we win against Bonas and VCU at home, we're on the bubble" type thinking. That's over. There is zero chance of that now. This. The only thing ended tonight was the delusion in our own minds about bids. They are what they are, all right. Tonight was bad, they looked pretty ragged. Let's just hope for a bunch more wins and good games the next 6 weeks heading in to Brooklyn. This team is certainly capable of a wide range of things. I lost the battle to the people who stomp their feet after every loss long ago. To me, it loses it's effectiveness if you do it after every game, but whatever. Let's see what happens Saturday.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 22, 2014 23:28:50 GMT -5
Willing to give the Bonnie's their but I do not recall seeing a more disjointed performance. It was painful to watch, I'll agree it was painful to watch. The Bonnies hustled and simply outplayed us. They're a good team if you watched them play against UMass. They've had close losses to both St. Louis and GW as well, so they're no slouches. I expected a loss, but I will say I'm disappointed with how poorly we played for about 35 minutes of the game. Chalk it up as a bad day for now and let's see how we play against VCU.
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Post by cpico on Jan 22, 2014 23:30:34 GMT -5
It's not the end of the world, but even those of us who wouldn't admit it were starting to do the "if we win against Bonas and VCU at home, we're on the bubble" type thinking. That's over. There is zero chance of that now. This. The only thing ended tonight was the delusion in our own minds about bids. They are what they are, all right. Tonight was bad, they looked pretty ragged. Let's just hope for a bunch more wins and good games the next 6 weeks heading in to Brooklyn. This team is certainly capable of a wide range of things. I lost the battle to the people who stomp their feet after every loss long ago. To me, it loses it's effectiveness if you do it after every game, but whatever. Let's see what happens Saturday. Again, anyone who watched this game and wasn't embarrassed by the team's effort in a big road game against an average team that we needed to win isn't living in reality.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 22, 2014 23:36:58 GMT -5
This. The only thing ended tonight was the delusion in our own minds about bids. They are what they are, all right. Tonight was bad, they looked pretty ragged. Let's just hope for a bunch more wins and good games the next 6 weeks heading in to Brooklyn. This team is certainly capable of a wide range of things. I lost the battle to the people who stomp their feet after every loss long ago. To me, it loses it's effectiveness if you do it after every game, but whatever. Let's see what happens Saturday. Again, anyone who watched this game and wasn't embarrassed by the team's effort in a big road game against an average team that we needed to win isn't living in reality. Am I embarrassed? No. Did they play poorly? Sure. Every road game is a big road game in this league. La Salle played crappy and they lost. End of story. I would argue that getting this upset about a loss where they were picked to lose by Vegas is not dealing in reality. It's one game. Let's see how they do against VCU before you start passing around the razor blades.
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 22, 2014 23:44:14 GMT -5
You guys are making this a bigger deal than it is. Bonnies are a good team. If I'm not mistaken, after this game, we both have the same record. And what you rather lose to Rhode Island or a Fordham? They will be in the top half of the league at the end of the year.
La Salle is a better than average team. They got out hustled today, plain and simple. I'm not blaming it all on the travel but you have to take it into account. I think we can still be a tournament team and i still think on Saturday we go toe to toe with VCU. I just hope we can pull it out in the end .
Side note - we need our fans to be somewhat a factor in Saturday's game.
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Post by cpico on Jan 22, 2014 23:44:31 GMT -5
Again, anyone who watched this game and wasn't embarrassed by the team's effort in a big road game against an average team that we needed to win isn't living in reality. Am I embarrassed? No. Did they play poorly? Sure. Every road game is a big road game in this league. La Salle played crappy and they lost. End of story. I would argue that getting this upset about a loss where they were picked to lose by Vegas is not dealing in reality. It's one game. Let's see how they do against VCU before you start passing around the razor blades. I know it's tough to play up in Olean but you needed to win this road game against a middle of the pack team. Losing on the road to a UMASS, or VCU, or St. Louis is one thing, but losing the way we did tonight against St. Bonaventure is another. It's all semantics, instead of embarrassed I could use terrible, pathetic, disgraceful, poorly, bad, whatever you want. The fact is it was a road game against a middle of the pack team and we didn't show up and that's unacceptable.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 22, 2014 23:46:40 GMT -5
G didn't have the team ready. Did he scout theBonnies? I have it on good authority that G did not scout the Bonnies; instead he had the team out building snow men all last night. That's the real reason they missed the charter flight. The team shot so poorly because all of the players had frostbite on their hands. Check their Twitter accounts though for some really cool pics of the snow sculptures they created last night. I hear they even made a snow sculpture of that nifty sailing ship that the Looneyverse uses on their website. But shhhh, don't tell anyone those were the real reasons they lost. It's just our little secret, Steve.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 22, 2014 23:48:57 GMT -5
Am I embarrassed? No. Did they play poorly? Sure. Every road game is a big road game in this league. La Salle played crappy and they lost. End of story. I would argue that getting this upset about a loss where they were picked to lose by Vegas is not dealing in reality. It's one game. Let's see how they do against VCU before you start passing around the razor blades. I know it's tough to play up in Olean but you needed to win this road game against a middle of the pack team. Losing on the road to a UMASS, or VCU, or St. Louis is one thing, but losing the way we did tonight against St. Bonaventure is another. It's all semantics, instead of embarrassed I could use terrible, pathetic, disgraceful, poorly, bad, whatever you want. The fact is it was a road game against a middle of the pack team and we didn't show up and that's unacceptable. We're probably a middle of the pack team as well. We could finish anywhere from 5th to 9th this year.
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 22, 2014 23:52:54 GMT -5
Am I embarrassed? No. Did they play poorly? Sure. Every road game is a big road game in this league. La Salle played crappy and they lost. End of story. I would argue that getting this upset about a loss where they were picked to lose by Vegas is not dealing in reality. It's one game. Let's see how they do against VCU before you start passing around the razor blades. I know it's tough to play up in Olean but you needed to win this road game against a middle of the pack team. Losing on the road to a UMASS, or VCU, or St. Louis is one thing, but losing the way we did tonight against St. Bonaventure is another. It's all semantics, instead of embarrassed I could use terrible, pathetic, disgraceful, poorly, bad, whatever you want. The fact is it was a road game against a middle of the pack team and we didn't show up and that's unacceptable. If it's so unacceptable and youre so embarrassed then put on a jerrsey and do something about it. If not then shut up.They got beat, it's one game.
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Post by fvp47 on Jan 23, 2014 0:14:30 GMT -5
It is not that they lost that is upsetting. They looked so disjointed and out of sorts. Getting in after two in the morning does not help. Even with enough rest your pattern is disrupted. Need to see how Saturday goes. Not the end of the world.
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Post by calidelphia on Jan 23, 2014 1:12:29 GMT -5
Peterson was visibly hurt all night it seemed. not sure why. maybe a dead leg from the septa bus that got them up there. Mills hardly touched the ball, can't explain that either. Seemed like the man to man took him out of the perimeter game. Wright was getting triple teamed each time he touched the ball. Zack getting pulled early didn't help. All in all, the entire team looked beat before half way through the first half. I have to agree that St. B's was well rested and the team looked like me getting off a red eye flight. I can't blame them for the loss with all the surrounding circumstance. It would have been nice to get that charter flight and win the game in Olean without OT this year. I blame the performance 100% on the f'd up travel schedule and sleep dep.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 23, 2014 1:13:47 GMT -5
G didn't have the team ready. Did he scout theBonnies? I hear they even made a snow sculpture of that nifty sailing ship that the Looneyverse uses on their website. Not upset I missed the game, but I'm upset that I'm late to this show... THIS GON' BE GOOD. Mills hardly touched the ball, can't explain that either.. Without seeing the game... This isn't the first time this has happened this season, for seemingly no reason. He manages to disappear for entire games without warning.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 6:51:23 GMT -5
I know it's tough to play up in Olean but you needed to win this road game against a middle of the pack team. Losing on the road to a UMASS, or VCU, or St. Louis is one thing, but losing the way we did tonight against St. Bonaventure is another. It's all semantics, instead of embarrassed I could use terrible, pathetic, disgraceful, poorly, bad, whatever you want. The fact is it was a road game against a middle of the pack team and we didn't show up and that's unacceptable. If it's so unacceptable and youre so embarrassed then put on a jerrsey and do something about it. If not then shut up.They got beat, it's one game. What does that even mean? Silly post. I just can't understand how a fan base that should have been expecting their team to challenge for one of the top spots in the league this season can just so casually accept how we played last night, and how we were prepared to play last night. Obviously there are a number of people on this board that just can't grasp how important this season was for the program following up last season. That's why I'm so disappointed especially when they do something like they did last night, or like against Northern Iowa, or like against Penn State, or like against Manhattan at home to open your season. This season was HUGE for the program, but we hear over and over again on this board the "it's only one game" nonsense. It just makes you shake your head and wonder sometimes. But I guess me putting on a jersey is the answer. Give me a break and post something we can at least discuss, not petty drivel.
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Post by mookie on Jan 23, 2014 9:04:21 GMT -5
If it's so unacceptable and youre so embarrassed then put on a jerrsey and do something about it. If not then shut up.They got beat, it's one game. What does that even mean? Silly post. I just can't understand how a fan base that should have been expecting their team to challenge for one of the top spots in the league this season can just so casually accept how we played last night, and how we were prepared to play last night. Obviously there are a number of people on this board that just can't grasp how important this season was for the program following up last season. That's why I'm so disappointed especially when they do something like they did last night, or like against Northern Iowa, or like against Penn State, or like against Manhattan at home to open your season. This season was HUGE for the program, but we hear over and over again on this board the "it's only one game" nonsense. It just makes you shake your head and wonder sometimes. But I guess me putting on a jersey is the answer. Give me a break and post something we can at least discuss, not petty drivel. Don't take offense but it is just a game. It's cool to be caught up in the moment but never should it let you get you upset to the point where it seems to have you. After the tourney run and finally seeing how it can impact the school in several areas, I'm more confident in the Administration's willingness to invest more in the program. I'm not saying they will go all out or anything but after decades sitting idly, they're beginning to act now so it's definitely a start. As far as the importance of this year goes, yes, it is important to have a successful season but what is your definition of success? Another Sweet 16? Final Four? Another tourney appearance? Losing Galloway essentially killed another Sweet 16 run... realistically, this team was going to take a step back likely becoming an NIT team. To me, that was a successful season. I think it was far more impact to be over .500 at the very least and be an NIT team. That would position the team well for another NCAA appearance next year.
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Post by lasalle89 on Jan 23, 2014 9:50:35 GMT -5
We were in control in the beginning. Zack having to sit out combined with their switching up defenses every trip down the floor had us confused and out of sync. This lasted the entire game combined with the fact we couldn't buy a bucket. My advice is just forget about this game and get ready to start another win streak. We need everything clicking to be at our best. When our shots don't fall we are in big trouble. I expect to have a big rebound game and win this Sat.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 9:56:10 GMT -5
Totally honest, no hyperbole: This is the worst loss of my La Salle lifetime. I've never been madder and more disappointed and more disgusted and sadder and more full of rage. This game replaces the previous worst loss of my La Salle lifetime, which was the loss before this one. It will likely stand as the worst loss of my La Salle lifetime until our next loss. The sky has fallen. It has fallen before and it will fall again. We are all doomed.
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Post by fvp47 on Jan 23, 2014 10:03:59 GMT -5
I was noted that Mills hardly touched the ball. There were numerous times he was open and they did not get it too him. Cannot make an attempt without the ball.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 10:14:45 GMT -5
What does that even mean? Silly post. I just can't understand how a fan base that should have been expecting their team to challenge for one of the top spots in the league this season can just so casually accept how we played last night, and how we were prepared to play last night. Obviously there are a number of people on this board that just can't grasp how important this season was for the program following up last season. That's why I'm so disappointed especially when they do something like they did last night, or like against Northern Iowa, or like against Penn State, or like against Manhattan at home to open your season. This season was HUGE for the program, but we hear over and over again on this board the "it's only one game" nonsense. It just makes you shake your head and wonder sometimes. But I guess me putting on a jersey is the answer. Give me a break and post something we can at least discuss, not petty drivel. As far as the importance of this year goes, yes, it is important to have a successful season but what is your definition of success? Another Sweet 16? Final Four? Another tourney appearance? Losing Galloway essentially killed another Sweet 16 run... realistically, this team was going to take a step back likely becoming an NIT team. To me, that was a successful season. I think it was far more impact to be over .500 at the very least and be an NIT team. That would position the team well for another NCAA appearance next year. My definition of success for a team that had everyone back except Galloway and was picked preseason by most as one of the top teams in the A-10? An NCAA appearance and that shouldn't have been unrealistic. And that would have kept momentum going (crucial for recruiting) and given another influx of NCAA money to the school. This team should have been expected to make the tournament (team was picked 3rd preseason in the A-10 so obviously others agreed). And so far we have clearly disappointed realistic expectations.
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Post by broderickpresident on Jan 23, 2014 10:17:11 GMT -5
Sam and DJ need to have no one within 5-10 feet of them on the catch to make a play, it seems. They touched the ball plenty, but we were never able to work their zone to the point that they were that open on the touch. I'll say there were some possessions where one more swing would have led to an open shot, but we held the ball a beat too long and allowed them to recover. Our offense is a mess when we're unable to establish anything inside. I think the refs took away a lot of our aggression early, as well. The offense was unwatchable for most of the final 30 minutes of action.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 10:26:49 GMT -5
Man, talk about glossing over a major issue. "Returning everyone but Galloway" is pretty much the equivalent of leaving the hospital "with everything except your left arm".
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Post by mookie on Jan 23, 2014 10:37:35 GMT -5
As far as the importance of this year goes, yes, it is important to have a successful season but what is your definition of success? Another Sweet 16? Final Four? Another tourney appearance? Losing Galloway essentially killed another Sweet 16 run... realistically, this team was going to take a step back likely becoming an NIT team. To me, that was a successful season. I think it was far more impact to be over .500 at the very least and be an NIT team. That would position the team well for another NCAA appearance next year. My definition of success for a team that had everyone back except Galloway and was picked preseason by most as one of the top teams in the A-10? An NCAA appearance and that shouldn't have been unrealistic. And that would have kept momentum going (crucial for recruiting) and given another influx of NCAA money to the school. This team should have been expected to make the tournament (team was picked 3rd preseason in the A-10 so obviously others agreed). And so far we have clearly disappointed realistic expectations. Well, to be fair they're still in the top 3 of the A10 aren't they? It's still early but overall record has them in the top half i believe. And that's with them having a tough start. Who knows what's going to happen but recruits are going to focus on the record and them being a winning program. An NCAA appearance prior to the season wasn't unrealistic but I didn't think it was likely. Recruiting wise, I agree but anytime you can say we've made postseason play 3 consecutive years (that assumes they make NIT which I've said is expected) that's big. On top of that, you just came off a Sweet 16 run without your big man and you're better overall...i think that's big. Difference you have to keep mind between us and Martelli is that G is a much better recruiter so the chances of G getting lazy like Martelli did are slim.
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Post by 23won on Jan 23, 2014 10:41:02 GMT -5
I think Bona is better than an average team, but what concerned me last night was the same thing that concerned me when I watched Northern Iowa, namely that G seems ill-prepared to make in-game adjustments against a well coached team. I think Schmidt beat us more than their players and when their players bought into what Schmidt was coaching, they played with emotion and energy. When G failed to reverse or counter Schmidt's game plan, our guys played scared and without energy.
There are ways to beat a team that switches from 1-3-1 to 2-3 zone. It happens in 8th grade CYO games every weekend. We have players capable of beating those switches. It takes a little prep and in game adjustments. The high post was wide open all second half against the 2-3. No one was sent there and there was no effort to pass to the post, and turn and face to create a triple option inside the zone. There was no effort to play through the open post, drive or pass and have wing cutters attack the zone. Instead our guards dribbled into double teams and traps around the perimeter against players with more length, energy and hustle. Sure, we got some bad bounces and Bona made some prayer shots that should not have gone in, but there was no game planning and execution to take it to the weak spots of the zone.
That better change quick or we are sure to see more of it thrown at us.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 23, 2014 11:02:00 GMT -5
For what it's worth: La Salle is 12-2 since the beginning of the 2012-13 season after a loss, including 7-1 last season and 5-1 this season.
Caught most of the game last night, and we went back to our ball-stopping, isolation (read: losing) ways from November/December. Also Bonnies scored in the paint all night long, which continues to be the main method of beating the Explorers (with and without Zack).
Khalid Lewis should give up shooting the ball for the next two months. Can I get an amen?!
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 11:14:48 GMT -5
Not from me.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 11:15:42 GMT -5
Man, talk about glossing over a major issue. "Returning everyone but Galloway" is pretty much the equivalent of leaving the hospital "with everything except your left arm". FYI, a lot of teams lose good players from year to year and somehow they find a way to meet expectations. Ramon was great, but this team is clearly underperforming.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 11:25:21 GMT -5
When St. Joseph's of PA went from the Elite 8 to the NIT, did we blame "underperforming" or did we say "no shit, they lost Nelson and West"? We're a mid-major, this is what happens.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 11:26:19 GMT -5
Seriously, this "we should win because I want us to win" attitude is really, really annoying. Have some perspective.
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Post by cpico on Jan 23, 2014 11:32:54 GMT -5
When St. Joseph's of PA went from the Elite 8 to the NIT, did we blame "underperforming" or did we say "no shit, they lost Nelson and West"? We're a mid-major, this is what happens. Nelson AND West - that's two high level players not 1. And i guess you're right, why should I expect us to win games against the likes of Manhattan, Penn State, Northern Iowa and St. Bonaventure. I must be crazy.
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Post by fvp47 on Jan 23, 2014 11:38:59 GMT -5
Was taking a look at the first half stats vs second half. We had 9 TO in the first half and 8 in the second. We actually out rebounded them in the second half. However our shooting % was 30% overall, 50% from two point range if you eliminate the 0-6 from three. In the second half we were 26.7% overall and only 5-19 (26.3%) from two point range while 27.3% from three point range. We allowed the to shoot 42.3% and 46.2 % in the first and second half.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 23, 2014 11:39:09 GMT -5
So you "expect" us at 15-3 right now?
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