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Post by luhoopsfan on Dec 6, 2013 14:46:42 GMT -5
Per Action news, TU cuts 7 sports - Baseball, Softball, M+W Rowing, Men's Indoor & Outdoor Track, Men's Gymnastics
They will now have just 17 sports, 3 fewer than La Salle. I know football costs a ton of money to operate, but surprising to see how they can have fewer sports than little ol' La Salle.
Granted, M+W Swimming and Cross Country & Track at La Salle technically make up 8 sports (6 for track when you count CC, Indoor, Outdoor times 2 for M+W) but only requires 2 coaching staffs.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 6, 2013 14:48:54 GMT -5
Crap. Just saw this on the news. Huge blow to our neighbors on Broad.
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Post by MisterD on Dec 6, 2013 14:50:42 GMT -5
[crosses "Temple's Men's Gymnastics Meet" off calendar]
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 6, 2013 14:59:40 GMT -5
Maybe some fine athletics from those cut sports would like to take their talents to 20th and Olney to a more inclusive, private, and wholesome place.
"They could have gone anywhere...TU for Temple"
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Post by calidelphia on Dec 6, 2013 15:11:36 GMT -5
Surprising to hear the Men's and Womens Crew team is now defunct. I am disappointed by that. Can't help thinking that this has something to do with city ordinance for the land use stopping them from building a new row house and the cost that would be associated with renovating the condemned canoe house they used.
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Post by ck on Dec 6, 2013 15:12:43 GMT -5
The solution is obvious. Either cut football instead or go down to a lower division (would that save scholarships)? Temple has about zero chance of ever being a major football power.
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Post by explorerman on Dec 6, 2013 15:19:55 GMT -5
It is interesting… I do believe this will not be the end… The men's sport that has seen cuts over the last couple years has been men's baseball. There was always the word floating around the 2nd floor of the Hayman Center that if a sport were to ever be cut for budget or Title IX this would be the next sport to go...
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Post by angryal on Dec 6, 2013 15:45:03 GMT -5
This just exposes Temple as frauds once again. They defended sending their athletes to the lions' den a few years ago - when asked about why they schedule some collegiate football Goliath to slay their football team 72-3 annually - by replying, "That one check pays for our entire athletic program for the year." Liars.
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Post by golasalle on Dec 6, 2013 15:55:35 GMT -5
Crap. Just saw this on the news. Huge blow to our neighbors on Broad. It is not a blow to Temple, it is a self-inflicted wound. Their insistence on pouring millions upon millions of dollars into the black hole that is their football program that nobody cares about, and their decision to enter into a conference (again football driven) that spans the country geographically is what is leading to this. They can spin it all they want but this is football related. Now they are talking about an on-campus football stadium? As a PA taxpayer, no thanks!
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Post by stlexplorer on Dec 6, 2013 16:06:20 GMT -5
Wow that's terrible. Just to fund a pathetic football team. La Salle knew when to cut its losses.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 6, 2013 16:09:36 GMT -5
I smell rollout material...
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Post by cva43 on Dec 6, 2013 17:01:36 GMT -5
Ironically, the Temple softball coach was formerly the head coach at La Salle.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 6, 2013 17:21:21 GMT -5
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Post by weston2 on Dec 6, 2013 19:35:05 GMT -5
Crap. Just saw this on the news. Huge blow to our neighbors on Broad. It is not a blow to Temple, it is a self-inflicted wound. Their insistence on pouring millions upon millions of dollars into the black hole that is their football program that nobody cares about, and their decision to enter into a conference (again football driven) that spans the country geographically is what is leading to this. They can spin it all they want but this is football related. Now they are talking about an on-campus football stadium? As a PA taxpayer, no thanks! Temple football - The MEAC of Division I, or was that the SWAC. Took the PA legislature to buy a home schedule, forget about drawing a disinterested fan base. Where have you gone Pop Warner,...............Wayne Hardin...............
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 6, 2013 19:54:22 GMT -5
My hatred for Temple aside, I really don't get what they're trying to do with football. In the Boston-DC corridor, college football barely registers. It's a pro area, especially when it comes to football. And in Philly, I'd imagine Penn State still has a stronghold, with Notre Dame probably still grabbing a big amount of the Irish/Catholic group as well.
This idea that Temple is going to somehow register around Philly is really nonsensical.
Do any of you guys know anyone who DIDN'T go to Temple, who goes to Temple football games, or follows them closely? Because for them to build what they want to build, it's going to take more than alumni.
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Post by weston2 on Dec 6, 2013 20:20:23 GMT -5
My hatred for Temple aside, I really don't get what they're trying to do with football. In the Boston-DC corridor, college football barely registers. It's a pro area, especially when it comes to football. And in Philly, I'd imagine Penn State still has a stronghold, with Notre Dame probably still grabbing a big amount of the Irish/Catholic group as well. This idea that Temple is going to somehow register around Philly is really nonsensical. Do any of you guys know anyone who DIDN'T go to Temple, who goes to Temple football games, or follows them closely? Because for them to build what they want to build, it's going to take more than alumni. That flushing sound is PA taxpayer dollars going down the toilet, it could have gone anywhere(heard that one before) BUT no the legislature sent it to TU. Then on top of that, its been a 40 yr case history of how not to run a div 1 program. "If they build it, they will come", yes as long as its Penn State playing. The LC had one good year, the novelty year, then it reverted to the Temple form, a disinterested fan base. Wait till they attempt to sell that on-campus 40K seat stadium idea to Harrisburg. Ya think, maybe Comcast will bite? Watch out for those cable bills.
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Post by jellybean on Dec 8, 2013 8:16:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the President and AD were at the meeting to tell the student-athletes that Temple was eliminating their sports?
Mike Jensen wrote a terrific article in today's Inquirer.
When they say it's not about Football. It's about Football. This new conference has Baseball and Softball flying all over the country. It's about cutting expenses. Maybe Joe Fed can comment on Track. They cut the Men's Track but keep Women's Track. Okay I get the Title IX but what do they save in scholarship money, coaches' salaries (same staff?) and travel ( only conference championships would require travel expenses)? They talk about "poor" facilities. Anyone every see Ambler campus where they play Baseball, Softball and Soccer? Not bad at all. They talk about not providing "quality" support to Baseball and Softball because they bus those athletes from Main Campus to Ambler. Yet doesn't Soccer have the same trip?
This really hit home with me when I saw Channel 10 reporter say "...this is the last Dad Vail and Penn Relays." Not to mention the Henley Regatta also. That's a kick in the gut. I had a friend who recently died that rowed for Temple and missed making the Olympics for the Men's Pairs.
Jensen also correctly sheds light on Temple Administration sugar coating statement of "..It effects only 150 athletes."
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Post by oldex57 on Dec 8, 2013 9:23:43 GMT -5
Billy Strikes Again! There was a LU grad (on baseball scholarship) who became the AD at his school and then destroyed the Basketball program.....he then became AD of larger Univ. in Chicago to get rid of the BB coach, the son of a legendary coach , that program has not been heard from since.....then back to Philly as AD and now has destroyed 7 sports programs before retiring. YEP, Billy Strikes Again!
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Dec 8, 2013 11:00:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the President and AD were at the meeting to tell the student-athletes that Temple was eliminating their sports? Mike Jensen wrote a terrific article in today's Inquirer. When they say it's not about Football. It's about Football. This new conference has Baseball and Softball flying all over the country. It's about cutting expenses. Maybe Joe Fed can comment on Track. They cut the Men's Track but keep Women's Track. Okay I get the Title IX but what do they save in scholarship money, coaches' salaries (same staff?) and travel ( only conference championships would require travel expenses)? They talk about "poor" facilities. Anyone every see Ambler campus where they play Baseball, Softball and Soccer? Not bad at all. They talk about not providing "quality" support to Baseball and Softball because they bus those athletes from Main Campus to Ambler. Yet doesn't Soccer have the same trip? This really hit home with me when I saw Channel 10 reporter say "...this is the last Dad Vail and Penn Relays." Not to mention the Henley Regatta also. That's a kick in the gut. I had a friend who recently died that rowed for Temple and missed making the Olympics for the Men's Pairs. Jensen also correctly sheds light on Temple Administration sugar coating statement of "..It effects only 150 athletes." Jelly, the AD himself told the students according to this Inquirer story. There were two meeting at once, one with teams getting cut and one with teams that were surviving - www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/temple/20131207_Temple_athletes_caught_off_guard_by_move.html
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Post by sweat83 on Dec 8, 2013 12:48:52 GMT -5
Would have been so much easier to eliminate football, and remain in the A10. Its really a no brainer. I mean, you're a shoe-in for the NCAA's every year in Men's BB.
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Dec 8, 2013 14:35:46 GMT -5
Would have been so much easier to eliminate football, and remain in the A10. Its really a no brainer. I mean, you're a shoe-in for the NCAA's every year in Men's BB. Football = Revenue. Other sports do not generate that kind of $ for the university.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 8, 2013 15:01:07 GMT -5
But is football really bringing in revenue yet? That program is spending over half a million per game to rent the Linc. Investment, yada yada.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 8, 2013 16:02:45 GMT -5
Would have been so much easier to eliminate football, and remain in the A10. Its really a no brainer. I mean, you're a shoe-in for the NCAA's every year in Men's BB. Football = Revenue. Other sports do not generate that kind of $ for the university. Except for the fact that Temple football loses money, right? Other schools' football = revenue. But is football really bringing in revenue yet? That program is spending over half a million per game to rent the Linc. Investment, yada yada. I think its $256,000 per game, but the Linc is exactly 33% full on average.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 8, 2013 16:34:22 GMT -5
On the PR side, it wasn't an easy decision obviously. Financially, they've handcuffed the athletic department by going all in on the football program with conference changes designed purely for that single program. Guess they figured they put so many chips on the football team, they might as well push the last few in to try to get the program over the hump versus facing embarrassment.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Dec 8, 2013 16:46:50 GMT -5
Would have been so much easier to eliminate football, and remain in the A10. Its really a no brainer. I mean, you're a shoe-in for the NCAA's every year in Men's BB. Football = Revenue. Other sports do not generate that kind of $ for the university. Temple football has to be losing money hand over fist. According to Deadspin, they pay the Eagles $265,000 per game in rent. For 6 games, that $1.59 mill a year. Figure 6 games of travel costs in the upwards of $3 mill (if not more) and they averaged 22,473 fans per game this year. Not sure what tickets cost, but if they averaged $20 a ticket, that's revenue of $449,460 for season. That would cover one/third of what they pay Eagles. Who knows what they get in TV/advertising revenue, but you gotta toss in coaches salaries before you think about breaking even. (Other than the Deadspin number, these are all guesses, and they're probably on the low side.)
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Post by durenduren on Dec 8, 2013 18:37:01 GMT -5
I overlooked what the conference change did to travel costs. Leaving the A10 was a flashy move but not savy.
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Post by coqui900 on Dec 8, 2013 20:43:15 GMT -5
Temple moving to the AAC could end up like us moving to the MCC. It's different because of football but it's still disastrous. What girl's soccer player in their right mind wants to spend half their school year flying to play Houston or Tulsa?
It's a shame. That football conference isn't even all that good. What's the best that can happen for the AAC champ? I don't know how the new set-up for football is happening but I can't imagine the AAC victor will be going up against Alabama until they get a real playoff.
What really stinks: Athletics should drive revenue for a college. Athletics should prove student-athletes with opportunities and any revenue that comes with it is a plus. That's not the case in reality, but it's true.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 8, 2013 20:50:37 GMT -5
Temple moving to the AAC could end up like us moving to the MCC. It's a shame. That football conference isn't even all that good. Agreed on all counts. I don't think anyone could have predicted how much the landscape of conference affiliation would have changed prior to Temple starting their departure to what was the Big East though. That's not to say I didn't enjoy Temple getting caught with their pants down when the Catholic 7 jumped ship right when Temple was entering because of bitter, butthurt reasons though.
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Dec 8, 2013 20:56:09 GMT -5
Football = Revenue. Other sports do not generate that kind of $ for the university. Temple football has to be losing money hand over fist. According to Deadspin, they pay the Eagles $265,000 per game in rent. For 6 games, that $1.59 mill a year. Figure 6 games of travel costs in the upwards of $3 mill (if not more) and they averaged 22,473 fans per game this year. Not sure what tickets cost, but if they averaged $20 a ticket, that's revenue of $449,460 for season. That would cover one/third of what they pay Eagles. Who knows what they get in TV/advertising revenue, but you gotta toss in coaches salaries before you think about breaking even. (Other than the Deadspin number, these are all guesses, and they're probably on the low side.) Can't comment on what Temple is making on the team, but football is a major revenue draw for colleges. The school must think of this as an investment in the future. Better chance of making money on a single football team than several sports that don't even sell tickets/tv/etc. Doesn't the conference also give back in the form of $?
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Post by ck on Dec 8, 2013 21:25:52 GMT -5
The absurdities of travel in a conference like Temple's in (sports other than football---where it's tolerable) first became glaringly evident when BC joined the ACC. Imagine the travel time for baseball. soccer, softball, etc. At least for BC they probably do make a ton of money off football, but the costs to other sports is ridiculous. Even Penn State has some traveling in the Big 10, but even Nebraska and Penn State's travel schedules aren't totally irrational. Cut football for Temple and concentrate on basketball for modest revenue and I'd think overall costs wouldn't be in the end that different. It's as much a vanity project for Temple Admin. then anything else, IMHO.
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