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Post by explorerman on Dec 8, 2013 21:35:41 GMT -5
Temple football has to be losing money hand over fist. According to Deadspin, they pay the Eagles $265,000 per game in rent. For 6 games, that $1.59 mill a year. Figure 6 games of travel costs in the upwards of $3 mill (if not more) and they averaged 22,473 fans per game this year. Not sure what tickets cost, but if they averaged $20 a ticket, that's revenue of $449,460 for season. That would cover one/third of what they pay Eagles. Who knows what they get in TV/advertising revenue, but you gotta toss in coaches salaries before you think about breaking even. (Other than the Deadspin number, these are all guesses, and they're probably on the low side.) Can't comment on what Temple is making on the team, but football is a major revenue draw for colleges. The school must think of this as an investment in the future. Better chance of making money on a single football team than several sports that don't even sell tickets/tv/etc. Doesn't the conference also give back in the form of $? Dan, Temple loses millions on just the football program alone… So in answer to your question they are NOT making anything on the team… |
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Dec 8, 2013 22:16:07 GMT -5
Can't comment on what Temple is making on the team, but football is a major revenue draw for colleges. The school must think of this as an investment in the future. Better chance of making money on a single football team than several sports that don't even sell tickets/tv/etc. Doesn't the conference also give back in the form of $? Dan, Temple loses millions on just the football program alone… So in answer to your question they are NOT making anything on the team… Has that been confirmed? Articles I have read say they operate with $2.27M annually. Haven't seen anything regarding money made or lost. Links appreciated. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 10:30:09 GMT -5
Temple moving to the AAC could end up like us moving to the MCC. It's different because of football but it's still disastrous. What girl's soccer player in their right mind wants to spend half their school year flying to play Houston or Tulsa? And everyone in the A12 makes the conference tournament even if they are in last place. So Temple women's soccer actually had to go back to Texas or Florida I forget which, to be somebody's doormat and lose for the 12th time in 13 games. The conference probably picked up the tab on that one, but it wasn't actually good for Temple's profile. |
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Post by coachd on Dec 9, 2013 16:58:20 GMT -5
Would you replace Saint Louis and Dayton with 2 other universities of similar reputation that didn't require a plane ride? I would.
Unfortunately for Temple when their mega-conference splintered it left them without any options and a huge travel deficit for non-revenue sports. Baseball and softball are popular but are deficits when it comes to revenue. It is horrible for the juniors as they don't have much of an option to transfer unless they are superstar caliber; many feel betrayed according to news reports.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 9, 2013 21:21:43 GMT -5
Dan, Temple loses millions on just the football program alone… So in answer to your question they are NOT making anything on the team… Has that been confirmed? Articles I have read say they operate with $2.27M annually. Haven't seen anything regarding money made or lost. Links appreciated. I don't think that number is all encompassing: Matt Ruhle's Salary: $1.2MilWide receivers coach makes $150,000. Lets do 9* that: 1.2MilRent at the Linc (6*$265,000 per): 1.6MilSo we are are 4Mil. Scholarships are 85 * $30,000 (thats low. With room and board and per diem, its probably closer to 35k.): 2.5Mil Finally, lets take all the salaries of people that make football work. Staff, Academic and otherwise. Extra Trainers. People that work the ticket office. People that work the phones. People that stand on the sidelines. People People People. We'll say 2 million. So we're at 8.5 Million for football. And I'd bet it was a lot more than that. Like 10-12 million. As a former minor sport athlete, this whole story irks me. |
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Post by a10champion15 on Dec 9, 2013 21:28:57 GMT -5
Would you replace Saint Louis and Dayton with 2 other universities of similar reputation that didn't require a plane ride? I would. Unfortunately for Temple when their mega-conference splintered it left them without any options and a huge travel deficit for non-revenue sports. Baseball and softball are popular but are deficits when it comes to revenue. It is horrible for the juniors as they don't have much of an option to transfer unless they are superstar caliber; many feel betrayed according to news reports. I would never want to get rid of SLU or Dayton. Two quality programs especially this year, Dayton playing really well. We would hope the A10 stays as it is for as long as possible with the addition of Davidson |
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 9, 2013 22:49:39 GMT -5
Let's look a bit at the AAC. Rutgers and Louisville are out the door come springtime. That leaves: UConn, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, SMU, South Florida, Temple, and Central Florida. East Carolina, Tulsa, and Tulane are set to join next season, with Navy joining the year after for football.
First, let's look at basketball: the only schools I'd consider to be "plus" basketball programs there are UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, and Temple. (I may be be missing something, so if I am, please let me know). UConn and Cincinnati have already expressed interest in leaving the league, and you have to imagine at least UConn will be able to figure out a way out sometime in the not too distant future. Now for sure, those are some big-time programs in that list. Louisville is the defending national Champions, UConn won it all recently, Memphis would have, if not for missed Free Throws in 2008 (although it would have been vacated by now I'm sure anyway). But even if we were to allow that all of them will stay, who's on the next rung down? SMU? East Carolina? Where would those schools place in the A-10 in basketball on a given year? I think bottom half at least.
The fact of the matter is the AAC is organized for football, and everything else is square pegs in a round hole. Schools like SMU, Houston, Central Florida, South Florida all compete for recruits and customers with some of the biggest programs in the country in states like Texas and Florida. They have so much of their resources tied up in trying to field a football team that can get to 7 or 8 wins to get to a Bowl that I can't really see a major outlay of cash for the basketball program right now. So you'll be looking at an extremely top heavy conference for basketball, which is exactly what our friends down Broad Street used to constantly complain about with the Atlantic 10.
(more to come)
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 9, 2013 23:21:38 GMT -5
Now, as for football. I will freely admit that I'm not much of a college football fan, and hold a bit of bitterness for college football screwing up college basketball, because that was behind all these conference shifts lately. But, it would appear that the AAC will possibly be bale to establish itself as the "A-10" of football, clearly the best conference below the "Power 5" conferences. According to the new playoff system, the top team of all 5 mid-major conferences COMBINED is guaranteed a berth in one of the BCS bowls. I think this could very well be the AAC representative most years. But I'd be very surprised if an AAC team ever got in to the 4 team playoff for the National Title (have to assume the SEC will always get at least one, and it's hard to imagine the Big 10, PAC 12, ACC, and Big 12 not being able to fill the other 3 spots. This is why I don't like CFB, but that's another thread).
So essentially, it's the same position they were in when it was the old Big East. They'll get some teams in some big bowls sometimes, probably send teams to a lot of December bowls, a solid league.
As for the other aspects, as of 2015, you'll have 2 teams in Texas, 1 in Louisiana, 1 in Oklahoma, 1 in Tennessee and 2 in Florida. Then you'll have 1 in Ohio, 1 in Pennsylvania, 1 in Connecticut, 1 in North Carolina, and 1 in Maryland (for football only.) Think about that for travel, for every sport. Is there a trip in there for Temple that's not a flight (let's take Navy out of it, talking other sports here). By my math, the closest school to Temple is UConn, located 230 miles away. I guess they'd drive that, 4 hours each way. Think about that for baseball, volleyball, field hockey, tennis, etc. You're talking flights and hotels for almost every away league game of the season. That adds up. Plus, I know recruiting is differently in non-revenue sports, but the total lack of any geographic sense in the league will probably deter recruits in those sports, especially when you consider a lot of those kids have to be serious assed-students well, and going from Connecticut to Texas, Louisiana, and Florida every weekend may detract from the ability to study and attend classes.
I'm starting to ramble a little, so I'll call it a night. I just can't figure out exactly what the end game is for the AAC, and Temple specifically.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 14, 2014 14:38:53 GMT -5
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Post by golasalle on Feb 14, 2014 15:16:50 GMT -5
I am assuming that your statement that "it is never good when the Feds want to inquire" related to the Temple administration, but I think it is very good when the Feds want to inquire about administrative malfeasance that screws a segment of the student athlete population. |
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Post by jellybean on Feb 14, 2014 15:25:04 GMT -5
Yes, referring to the Temple Administration.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 12:16:35 GMT -5
As far as the TU baseball team is concerned, shouldn't they change the hashtag slogan on their website from #itbegins to #itends? They open at VCU next week. One and only game against La Salle is in Ambler on 3/14 at 3PM. TU has only one season to play in the American Athletic so they'd better make it count.
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