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Post by explorer88 on Oct 2, 2013 7:42:08 GMT -5
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Post by lwc4591 on Oct 2, 2013 10:16:26 GMT -5
To make the leap to having a consistent top 40 team the school must build a facility (5000 seat) which in turn will make it easier for Coach G to compete on the recruiting trail. If school does go that route and team continues a regular visit to the Big Dance (3 out of every 5 years with other season(s) being NIT years) it will have many good benefits for not only the school but the surrounding community as well. It takes money for La Salle to help the local area and basketball could be the catalyst in being a big part of the resurgence. A good basketball team brings in a lot of dollars.
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 2, 2013 10:20:24 GMT -5
To make the leap to having a consistent top 40 team the school must build a facility (5000 seat) which in turn will make it easier for Coach G to compete on the recruiting trail. If school does go that route and team continues a regular visit to the Big Dance (3 out of every 5 years with other season(s) being NIT years) it will have many good benefits for not only the school but the surrounding community as well. It takes money for La Salle to help the local area and basketball could be the catalyst in being a big part of the resurgence. A good basketball team brings in a lot of dollars. We will see soon enough. With the business school groundbreaking scheduled for the spring we will see if the arena is next on the docket as many of us have been told.
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Post by explorerman on Oct 2, 2013 13:09:45 GMT -5
My friend mentioned to me that the Council of Presidents' Associates is meeting in a couple weeks. I am sure that I can get a little something out of him!
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 2, 2013 19:47:31 GMT -5
Tell me more about the business school- I haven't heard anything official about it but if groundbreaking is in the spring it means there is quite a bit of work that is done and at a minimum a full on rendering is available
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Post by coachd on Oct 3, 2013 8:51:21 GMT -5
The new arena aka "the new Great Pyramid" may be "off the grid" as the greenies refer to it. The outside of the Pyramid will be 8-sided (although it will appear to be 4 sided like the Great Pyramid in Egypt) with solar panels built-in to the top glass panels. The lower glass panels will be dark but allow light into the concourse area. The court itself will be below ground level as will most of the seats.
The idea is that the modern day Explorers respect what past civilizations have done and strive to make improvements. Outside the Arena their could be a restaurant called "Chicken-Pizza" shaped like the pyramid at Chichen Itza. Further down the street we could have the "Security Wall of Olney" in tribute to the Great Wall of China.
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Post by jetstorm on Oct 3, 2013 9:23:41 GMT -5
The new arena aka "the new Great Pyramid" may be "off the grid" as the greenies refer to it. The outside of the Pyramid will be 8-sided (although it will appear to be 4 sided like the Great Pyramid in Egypt) with solar panels built-in to the top glass panels. The lower glass panels will be dark but allow light into the concourse area. The court itself will be below ground level as will most of the seats. The idea is that the modern day Explorers respect what past civilizations have done and strive to make improvements. Outside the Arena their could be a restaurant called "Chicken-Pizza" shaped like the pyramid at Chichen Itza. Further down the street we could have the "Security Wall of Olney" in tribute to the Great Wall of China. Someone found the pipe!
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Post by La Salle 08 on Oct 3, 2013 10:23:13 GMT -5
Tell me more about the business school- I haven't heard anything official about it but if groundbreaking is in the spring it means there is quite a bit of work that is done and at a minimum a full on rendering is available I was told that it was set to get started this fall with the hope to be open by Fall Semester 2015. The person who told me would certainly be in the know about the exact details, but I'm sure the situation is fluid and plans could have changed. I still can't quite picture how big the building is going to be on that spot near Explorers Den. I will certainly take a walk over there either on the night of the open practice (whenever that may be) or on the 9th next month to check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 10:36:06 GMT -5
I will certainly take a walk over there either on the night of the open practice (whenever that may be). Thursday 10/17 !!
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Post by coachd on Oct 3, 2013 10:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 3, 2013 13:31:51 GMT -5
I will certainly take a walk over there either on the night of the open practice (whenever that may be). Thursday 10/17 !! That's good knowledge - I hope I can check that out - is it going to be a student-centered even again this year?
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 3, 2013 14:19:36 GMT -5
The new arena aka "the new Great Pyramid" may be "off the grid" as the greenies refer to it. The outside of the Pyramid will be 8-sided (although it will appear to be 4 sided like the Great Pyramid in Egypt) with solar panels built-in to the top glass panels. The lower glass panels will be dark but allow light into the concourse area. The court itself will be below ground level as will most of the seats. The idea is that the modern day Explorers respect what past civilizations have done and strive to make improvements. Outside the Arena their could be a restaurant called "Chicken-Pizza" shaped like the pyramid at Chichen Itza. Further down the street we could have the "Security Wall of Olney" in tribute to the Great Wall of China. Preposterous, totally impractical idea coachd! It could never be done. Attachment Deleted www.longbeachstate.com/facilities/pyramid.html
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Post by durenduren on Oct 3, 2013 14:43:45 GMT -5
Am I drunk? This offseason really has taken its toll. We're talking about pyramids.
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Post by lasalle89 on Oct 3, 2013 17:42:42 GMT -5
I Asked Brennan this exact question in LA during the sweet 16. He said we must start chartering flights. He said besides the arena/facilities that is the biggest thing hurting us. Big time programs charter all their flights. Xavier does this. He said these tournaments are great to team building. He felt the pre season tournament last year really bonded G and the team.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 3, 2013 18:25:33 GMT -5
I Asked Brennan this exact question in LA during the sweet 16. He said we must start chartering flights. I don't like this answer. I get the message, but how many times do we need to do this a year? It's not like we're the AAC with teams traveling from Texas to Connecticut in conference play. Our money is best spent elsewhere. But still, these things aren't cheap. You're talking $20k to $40k a charter, and that falls on who? Donors? Because that's who funded Butler's charters until it became budgeted. And we're trying to raise money for a business school, an arena, and god knows what else right now. You start chartering men's bball, do you have to charter all other teams? But I think Brennan's way off base here, because we aren't the ones that makes this possible. Butler's Andrew Smith said "We know the guys over the past 15 years have made that a possibility for us. It really hasn't been what any of us have done." If you continue to win, it'll happen by osmosis. It's the players, it's the culture. Yeah, this idea has merit, but you need to spend smart when rolling in cash. An airplane ride doesn't have the same investment that an arena does.
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Post by SICguy84 on Oct 3, 2013 18:58:23 GMT -5
DurenDuren is totally right. If anyone asks Brennan why La Salle doesn’t charter he can say we are “going green,” and being thoughtful about our “carbon footprint.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 20:21:14 GMT -5
Guys, it's all about the frequent flier miles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 20:23:56 GMT -5
That's good knowledge - I hope I can check that out - is it going to be a student-centered even again this year? I can't find my invitation, and it's mysteriously missing from the website, but it is happening and it is for alums. I think you're referring to midnight madness, which is students only?
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 3, 2013 21:19:23 GMT -5
I thought there was a student-centric open practice with free food for them and stuff - that's cool though for the alumni one on 10/17
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Oct 4, 2013 8:44:57 GMT -5
Guys, it's all about the frequent flier miles. Funny hykos, but frequent flier miles are an improper benefit for the student-athletes. If you meant for TB, he can afford to pay his own way.
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 4, 2013 9:20:16 GMT -5
Chartered flights seems like a big waste of money to me. This is doubly true in the A-10. What schools do we fly to for those games? St. Louis, Dayton and Davidson? Do we even fly to Amherst or URI or Duquesne? That's the benefit of being in the northeast.
In the out-of-conference, there are four away trips. This first is to Penn State. Would they even fly to that game? I have no idea. Then to the Paradise Jam. Then there's MSG, Villanova, Miami and Penn. There are only two trips that you would absolutely have to fly to this season. We're really spend money on chartering flights? That sounds more of a "keeping up with the Joneses" than doing something that actually helps the team.
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 4, 2013 11:37:55 GMT -5
Don't recall seeing any serious discussion under this thread title that, in order to take the Program to the next level, among La Salle / Dr. G 's objectives should ultimately be to leverage the team's current success and national television exposure over the next 2 - 3 years years into successfully recruiting a 4-star, 6'10" - 7'0, 250 lbs+ agile, athletic legitimate center, and a 3-star or 4-star 6'-9" true power forward ?
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Post by durenduren on Oct 4, 2013 11:53:58 GMT -5
I don't disagree with Gymrat, sign me up. But I think that's far off G's radar to an extent. He's found his bread and butter on the recruiting trail, and avoiding the challenges chasing those highly touted recruits can bring.
I would love a big, solid built center like that though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 12:12:30 GMT -5
Don't recall seeing any serious discussion under this thread title that, in order to take the Program to the next level, among La Salle / Dr. G 's objectives should ultimately be to leverage the team's current success and national television exposure over the next 2 - 3 years years into successfully recruiting a 4-star, 6'10" - 7'0, 250 lbs+ agile, athletic legitimate center, and a 3-star or 4-star 6'-9" true power forward ? IMO, G would love to get those types of players, but unless La Salle makes the Elite 8 or Sweet 16 consistently in additon to building a brand new facility, they will not be coming here. Those players go to places like Duke, UNC, Indiana, Michigan, etc. G is not going to waste his time going after guys like that. He needs to find underrecruited guys who he can develop and he's done a nice job at that. La Salle's frontline is very good this year and next year will be the strongest it's been in years with Wright, Zack, Davis, and Washington. He's involved with a number of low post guys in both the 2014 and 2015 recruiting classes and I'm sure he'll come away with a couple of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 12:27:21 GMT -5
Chartered flights seems like a big waste of money to me. This is doubly true in the A-10. What schools do we fly to for those games? St. Louis, Dayton and Davidson? Do we even fly to Amherst or URI or Duquesne? That's the benefit of being in the northeast. In the out-of-conference, there are four away trips. This first is to Penn State. Would they even fly to that game? I have no idea. Then to the Paradise Jam. Then there's MSG, Villanova, Miami and Penn. There are only two trips that you would absolutely have to fly to this season. We're really spend money on chartering flights? That sounds more of a "keeping up with the Joneses" than doing something that actually helps the team. It has nothing to do with "keeping up with the Joneses. It's about giving your team the best chance to win. I seriously doubt that Brennan was talking about chartering flights to every away game. But it would be nice to have the ability to do it when it's really needed, maybe two-three times a season. I see two instances this season where charters would really benefit the team. They play at St Bonaventure at 9pm on a Wednesday night which is followed with a noon home game against VCU that Saturday. A charter flight would allow them to avoid two long, cramped bus trips and literally give them an extra day to get their legs back for the VCU game. They also have another 9pm Wednesday game at Dayton followed by a Saturday afternoon game at Richmond. Hire a charter to fly them direct to Richmond instead of flying back to Philly and bussing it to Richmond a day later.
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Post by coqui900 on Oct 4, 2013 12:28:13 GMT -5
We had one of those guys in Aaric Murray. I'll pass.
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Post by coachd on Oct 4, 2013 12:29:25 GMT -5
The new arena aka "the new Great Pyramid" may be "off the grid" as the greenies refer to it. The outside of the Pyramid will be 8-sided (although it will appear to be 4 sided like the Great Pyramid in Egypt) with solar panels built-in to the top glass panels. The lower glass panels will be dark but allow light into the concourse area. The court itself will be below ground level as will most of the seats. The idea is that the modern day Explorers respect what past civilizations have done and strive to make improvements. Outside the Arena their could be a restaurant called "Chicken-Pizza" shaped like the pyramid at Chichen Itza. Further down the street we could have the "Security Wall of Olney" in tribute to the Great Wall of China. Preposterous, totally impractical idea coachd! It could never be done. View Attachment www.longbeachstate.com/facilities/pyramid.html Gymrat, I hear you! I like the fact that it is cheaper to build then a conventional arena and looks awesome inside. My brother was on-campus yesterday recruiting for his firm. He said he saw DJP, Wright and Tyrone. The campus is abuzz.
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Post by coachd on Oct 4, 2013 12:45:11 GMT -5
I'd favor dropping Dayton and Saint Louis in favor of 2 quality teams within the 6 hour bus trip. The A10 was originally formed to help keep travel costs down.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Oct 4, 2013 12:48:47 GMT -5
I Asked Brennan this exact question in LA during the sweet 16. He said we must start chartering flights. I don't like this answer. I get the message, but how many times do we need to do this a year? It's not like we're the AAC with teams traveling from Texas to Connecticut in conference play. Our money is best spent elsewhere. But still, these things aren't cheap. You're talking $20k to $40k a charter, and that falls on who? Donors? Because that's who funded Butler's charters until it became budgeted. And we're trying to raise money for a business school, an arena, and god knows what else right now. You start chartering men's bball, do you have to charter all other teams? But I think Brennan's way off base here, because we aren't the ones that makes this possible. Butler's Andrew Smith said "We know the guys over the past 15 years have made that a possibility for us. It really hasn't been what any of us have done." If you continue to win, it'll happen by osmosis. It's the players, it's the culture. Yeah, this idea has merit, but you need to spend smart when rolling in cash. An airplane ride doesn't have the same investment that an arena does. I'm not one to defend Dr B., but I think maybe the point he's making is that the facility is the #1 obstacle to maintaining this level (or near this level) of success and the next big thing is the mode of transportation. The mode of transport is something that can be addressed immediately, whereas the facility will take obviously much longer. So to help address as many concerns as possible as quickly as possible, chartering flights in the near term is beneficial and doesn't take the place of facility upgrades, it's just the thing to do now to put as many positives in the pros/cons argument of a recruit considering La Salle. I agree with this approach. Brennan is basically increasing the operating budget of the program which is another big battle to face against the bigger programs. The Facility upgrade isn't contingent upon the operating budget of the school. It's not like you or I looking at our salary and allocating funds to save for a down payment on a home as opposed to determining how many nights a week to eat out. The facility funds will be based on a donor/sponsorship drive. The operating model is just different that personal or business, they don't get a direct deposit into the Athletic Dept checking account every two weeks and then determine what to do with the funds, the represent an operating budget to the University and are then allocated the necessary funding. Capital projects are on a different wavelength. Personally, if you said we don't charter flights because we're saving up for a new gym 5 years from now and as a result we missed out on some good kids because we have neither a nice gym OR quality travel system that's going to do more long-term damage.
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Post by durenduren on Oct 4, 2013 14:34:32 GMT -5
I agree that our athletic operating budget has and will likely remain the laughing stock of the conference, and that definetly is a huge hurtle that can stymie success. And maybe it's that I'm quick to jump on Brennan because it's Brennan, but I think before you start making calls for charter airplane rides, you need to prove that last year wasn't a fluke, that you can remain culturally relevant after an ugly 20 years in the gutter. Somewhere, I know that charter rides are a means to winning, but I'm stuck that winning is a means to charter flights - maybe not this year but in the future. Butler didn't start chartering their flights over night, not did Xavier - they all won, and did a lot of it on some pretty big stages.
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