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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 14, 2013 14:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by lwc4591 on Sept 14, 2013 14:33:31 GMT -5
Maybe you should stick to football or some other sport because you are clueless placing kids who never played in college against proven players. Your article is an insult to certain players and is political by trying to get every school involved in your top picks.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 14, 2013 14:43:56 GMT -5
Maybe you should stick to football or some other sport because you are clueless placing kids who never played in college against proven players. Your article is an insult to certain players and is political by trying to get every school involved in your top picks. Appreciate the feedback!! Thanks  |
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Post by lwc4591 on Sept 14, 2013 14:52:47 GMT -5
Sorry 4life I assume you didn't write the article but for the young man who did you just can't place Vasturia, Austin and Jordan ahead of Mills at this time although I do believe Jordan and Austin will become bonafide stars in college. I wouldn't take my comments to serious but I was a little upset with the lack of respect Sam Mills and Arch.(Nova)received by the writer. Actually I agree with about half of his top ten picks.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 14, 2013 15:04:13 GMT -5
Sorry 4life I assume you didn't write the article but for the young man who did you just can't place Vasturia, Austin and Jordan ahead of Mills at this time although I do believe Jordan and Austin will become bonafide stars in college. I wouldn't take my comments to serious but I was a little upset with the lack of respect Sam Mills and Arch.(Nova)received by the writer. Actually I agree with about half of his top ten picks. No need to apologize... I am doing this because I have had the exact same response that you did when reading others... I really appreciate the HONEST response... Mills is good player, no doubt... Arch is going to be VERY good... This is where I see him this year... We'll see how the year plays out... But I do believe Vasturia, Austin and Jordan will be better players that Mills THIS YEAR.. Wouldn't be no fun if we all agreed!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 20:23:08 GMT -5
I'll give you some honest comments on your list. I'm familiar with you from the St Joe's messageboard but I've been banned from posting there by Kommandant Kabrey and his minions for being painfully honest with them a few years ago after one of their especially vile La Salle-bashing sessions. The irony is that everything I told them then that they didn't like hearing has come true over the last couple years. Karma is a bitch.
Based on what I've read there, you've done a commendable job at helping a lot of kids get into college and that's a great thing. But if you're going to start publishing stuff like this on your website, you might want to think about being a little more objective. I detect some bias on your part with a number of these picks. Many of them are your "young bucks" who you've helped along the way, which again, is a great thing, but you tend to overrate some of them.
Devon Saddler is not a Philly guard and he doesn't belong on this list. He's from Maryland and plays in Delaware. And sorry, for all the points he scores, he does nothing for me. I've seen him play a number of times and he's one of the most selfish players I've ever seen. He has an awful assist to turnover ratio, doesn't shoot it particularly well, and yet he took almost twice as many shots than any of his teammates the past two seasons. It's no wonder that Khalid Lewis transferred out after having to play alongside him in the backcourt two years ago.
Biggie Minnis is a good player and may end doing well at URI, but he did nothing at Texas Tech to warrant being
#7 on your list other than being one of your young bucks. Damion Lee at Drexel should be rated higher than him and numbers 8, 9, and 10 on the list.
How you can leave Khalid Lewis and DJ Peterson off your others to watch list while including the likes of Chris Wilson and Kyle Molock (who is coming off of 3 ACL surgeries and hasn't played a game in over two years) is mind-boggling. Lewis started at the point every game his freshman year at Delaware and did a fine job. He will be a significant contributor for La Salle this season. And all DJ Peterson has done at La Salle is win (45-23) while shooting 43% from beyond the arc, carrying a 3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio, and playing outstanding defense, much of the time against forwards when La Salle goes to their 4 guard lineup.
And other than being one of your young bucks, how do you defend putting Ky Howard, Lamin Fulton, and D-2 players Jarrod Denard and Mike Terry (who did nothing at Boston U) on your others to watch list over Lewis and Peterson?
Hopefully you don't take this as me "slamming" you. I just read your post on the Hawks board where you felt that you were getting slammed on this board. If you're going to continue to post here, you might want grow a thicker skin.
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Post by explorer88 on Sept 14, 2013 20:31:00 GMT -5
Very well said kjmac.
100% on point!
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Post by durenduren on Sept 14, 2013 20:47:56 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Sept 14, 2013 21:35:50 GMT -5
Is this becoming a bi-weekly thing where you're going to advertise your pseudo-basketball blog here then run back to the Hoops Club and complain that we were mean because we disagreed?
Kjmac nailed it all on the head. I mean, DII players over DJ and Khalid? Really? But let's include Molock who hasn't seen a court in years.
If you're going to start publishing your own stuff, especially if it has political bias and viewed through a very limited lens on your part, you're going to have to expect critique at times. We doing basketball or politics here? We only have room for one of those, and I'm not here to discuss why portions of Philadelphia's school district is poop. It's not like we sought your blog out, so don't be hurt...
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Sept 14, 2013 21:36:36 GMT -5
I appreciate anyone who promotes philly ballers I would like to see how you rank the bigs. . Biggie minis makes some sense I believe you are looking at him like Galloway. Keep up the good work, obviously people will disagree.
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Post by jellybean on Sept 15, 2013 6:27:26 GMT -5
Kjmac made excellent points especially about Saddler. If you put Saddler on La Salle or SJU (pa) would he make the team better, the same or worse? I don't think he makes the players around him better.
What raised an eyebrow for me was PH4L stating in this piece that this was sure to make for heated debate yet when ONE La Salle poster took issue (then said he agreed with almost all the comments) he ran back to the SJU (pa) board and said "I was blasted on the La Salle board." Because ONE La Salle fan thought Mills should be higher than a few HS kids entering college. Really.
Back to the piece. How did you determine "best year"? Is it based on a fantasy system like so much for points, rebounds and assists? Or is it a beauty or popularity contest?
DJ Newbill is a turnover machine. When he played La Salle the game plan was to pressure him. He is talented and very good but he also takes a ton of bad shots and turns it over.
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Post by lwc4591 on Sept 15, 2013 7:47:32 GMT -5
Kjmac and jellybean you guys are the best. I apologized because I thought this was some young upstart writing an article and although I didn't agree with what was written maybe I was being overly critical. Obviously you guys are familiar with Philly4life. Jellybean the half of top ten I agreed with in the article were Duren, Galloway, Mazzenant, Garland and Arch.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 15, 2013 8:00:57 GMT -5
The list is summed up well by a poster over at Delaware's forum after he brought his message there...
"Pretty liberal use of the term "philly region" So its guys from Philly who are playing elsewhere or are playing for a Philly school. Great to see Saddler on there but this list is just dumb."
I laughed. All was well in the world.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 15, 2013 9:37:17 GMT -5
Thanks to ALL for the well-reasoned responses... I appreciate those who disagree with me the MOST... For years and years and years I have disagreed vehemently with much of the stuff put out there by the Daily News, Inquirer, DelcoTimes, Courier-Post and more recently Philahoops and City of Basketball Love....
So rather than call those guys "dumb" or slam them personally, I decided to put my own thoughts out there.... Yup, Saddler, Newbill, Galloway, Massenat, Garland, Minnis, Reed, Gouch, Jordan, Austin and the 2 DII guys are my "young bucks"....
Yes... I am trying to increase the level of exposure for those guys....
It's a SUBJECTIVE exercise... Unlike some of the other "media" outlets I will NEVER pretend to be impartial and objective... These are the guys I like...
The thing is I have yet to find a truly objective media outlet, if you know of one please point it out to me....
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 15, 2013 9:54:56 GMT -5
I was going to stay out of this, but here I am, a slave to my own weak willpower.
The first responses to you were way over the top, coming from 1 poster who has since backed off. Still not OK in my mind, would have been better not to post at all.
kjamc's post was a great one, and although I don't know enough to have strong opinions on the subject, it seems like he made a ton of good points.
But in all honesty, the thing I object to most is you saying "Yes, I am trying to increase the level of exposure for those guys." Does that mean even YOU don't believe your rankings? Because I can live with a list that seems way off, as long as its honest. But if you're basically just making a list of "your guys" it loses almost all of its value to me.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 15, 2013 10:06:09 GMT -5
Devon Saddler is not a Philly guard and he doesn't belong on this list. He's from Maryland and plays in Delaware. And sorry, for all the points he scores, he does nothing for me. I've seen him play a number of times and he's one of the most selfish players I've ever seen. He has an awful assist to turnover ratio, doesn't shoot it particularly well, and yet he took almost twice as many shots than any of his teammates the past two seasons. It's no wonder that Khalid Lewis transferred out after having to play alongside him in the backcourt two years ago. Biggie Minnis is a good player and may end doing well at URI, but he did nothing at Texas Tech to warrant being #7 on your list other than being one of your young bucks. Damion Lee at Drexel should be rated higher than him and numbers 8, 9, and 10 on the list. How you can leave Khalid Lewis and DJ Peterson off your others to watch list while including the likes of Chris Wilson and Kyle Molock (who is coming off of 3 ACL surgeries and hasn't played a game in over two years) is mind-boggling. Lewis started at the point every game his freshman year at Delaware and did a fine job. He will be a significant contributor for La Salle this season. And all DJ Peterson has done at La Salle is win (45-23) while shooting 43% from beyond the arc, carrying a 3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio, and playing outstanding defense, much of the time against forwards when La Salle goes to their 4 guard lineup. And other than being one of your young bucks, how do you defend putting Ky Howard, Lamin Fulton, and D-2 players Jarrod Denard and Mike Terry (who did nothing at Boston U) on your others to watch list over Lewis and Peterson? Hopefully you don't take this as me "slamming" you. I just read your post on the Hawks board where you felt that you were getting slammed on this board. If you're going to continue to post here, you might want grow a thicker skin. I really appreciate the dialogue. I don't feel this is "slamming." I respect diverging points of view... I do feel that statements like "you are clueless" and "dumb" are slamming incidents.... I would like to help establish a place where hoops fans can disagree and continue to have discussions.... You can posit alternative arguments without personalizing the discussion... Just my opinion.... I will ALWAYS publish ANY counterargument to my ideas.... ALWAYS |
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 15, 2013 10:13:53 GMT -5
I was going to stay out of this, but here I am, a slave to my own weak willpower. The first responses to you were way over the top, coming from 1 poster who has since backed off. Still not OK in my mind, would have been better not to post at all. kjamc's post was a great one, and although I don't know enough to have strong opinions on the subject, it seems like he made a ton of good points. But in all honesty, the thing I object to most is you saying "Yes, I am trying to increase the level of exposure for those guys." Does that mean even YOU don't believe your rankings? Because I can live with a list that seems way off, as long as its honest. But if you're basically just making a list of "your guys" it loses almost all of its value to me. I absolutely BELIEVE in my rankings... As a result, I feel that some guys on my list don't get the attention their ability truly warrants.... I've had NO interaction with Duren, Arch, Vasturia and a few others on the list.... I agree with your assessment of kjamc's post... I've had a few people tell me that Newbill should be #1, I've had one guy I really respect tell me that Pendarvis should be #1.... One Delaware fan feels that Jarvis Threatt warrants inclusion... More than anything, I appreciate the feedback because it means that the piece was read and given a degree of consideration... Anytime you or anyone else wants to counter any point I make I will publish your response.... |
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Post by hoopguy on Sept 25, 2013 8:39:26 GMT -5
I know a few hen fans who are curious to see how Lewis does at la Salle. He was known for above avg defense and an avg outside shot at times. Unfortunately he ran into a numbers game as Delaware had Saddler and Threatt in the backcourt , both better players than lewis and Anderson on the wing...a 3 pt shooter that lewis was not. Lewis would have still played 25+ mins a game at Delaware...I dont see him getting those mins at La Salle. Regarding the poster who felt Saddler is overrated, there are plenty of Hen fans who have been frustrated with him over his first 2 years although he has matured and had a very good junior year(better shooting %, more assist, etc). One thing who cant question him on is his desire to win..he is not selfish, he just needed to learn to trust his teammates which he now does. He participated in the Chris Paul elite summer camp this past summer(DIDNT SEE ANY LA SALLE GUYS THERE  ) and was one of the top performers and few mid majors guards on a roster of 20+ guards, mostly bcs guys besides Graham/weber from vcu and a guy from BU. Good luck on the season(I believe we were Sam Mills 2nd choice so I do follow his career plus now Lewis there)...beat VCU and Mason for us. |
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Post by explorerman on Sept 25, 2013 9:18:02 GMT -5
I know a few hen fans who are curious to see how Lewis does at la Salle. He was known for above avg defense and an avg outside shot at times. Unfortunately he ran into a numbers game as Delaware had Saddler and Threatt in the backcourt , both better players than lewis and Anderson on the wing...a 3 pt shooter that lewis was not. Lewis would have still played 25+ mins a game at Delaware...I dont see him getting those mins at La Salle. Regarding the poster who felt Saddler is overrated, there are plenty of Hen fans who have been frustrated with him over his first 2 years although he has matured and had a very good junior year(better shooting %, more assist, etc). One thing who cant question him on is his desire to win..he is not selfish, he just needed to learn to trust his teammates which he now does. He participated in the Chris Paul elite summer camp this past summer(DIDNT SEE ANY LA SALLE GUYS THERE ) and was one of the top performers and few mid majors guards on a roster of 20+ guards, mostly bcs guys besides Graham/weber from vcu and a guy from BU. Good luck on the season(I believe we were Sam Mills 2nd choice so I do follow his career plus now Lewis there)...beat VCU and Mason for us. Lewis will be one of the most intriguing stories for La Salle. This year out of college basketball was huge from him and it will be very telling early in the season if he has progressed. The consensus on him has been: + Defender + PG Height + Quickness + Passer/Unselfish Average mid and close range - Perimeter Shooting In college the ability to shoot the 3 point shot is pretty much mandatory. College is a guard's game and to be successful you have to be able to shoot. A guard that can not shoot is an absolute cripple to a team's offense (see Saint Joes or GW) as teams do not need to recognize him and can help dribble penetration aggressively. If Lewis wants to make the ascension into a starter and an NCAA Tournament quality guard, he needs to shoot better. If not he will be the 4th guard behind Stukes, Roberts and Price. If reports (Rothstein, La Salle insiders, etc) are true that he has improved his perimeter. Then he will be an extremely valuable guard for 3 years as he has all of the other attributes to be a high level guard in college. The ability to score from distance is that important. In summary, he had a whole year to pretty much to work on one thing, perimeter shooting. I like the odds. He was given this chance solely by the fact he was able to sit out for an entire year and not lose eligibility. There is no other situation where he could improve his shooting as much as the past 13 months. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 13:01:05 GMT -5
Based on the success of Earl Pettis, Ramon Galloway, and Tyrone Garland, you have to feel confident that Khalid Lewis will also become a significant contributor at La Salle.
Pettis at Rutgers: 4.0 ppg, 32.1% from three
Pettis at La Salle: 12.3 ppg, 37.0% from three
Galloway at South Carolina: 9.2 ppg, 32.8% from three
Galloway at La Salle: 15.7 ppg, 42.4% from three
Garland at Virginia Tech: 3.1 ppg, 28.6% from three
Garland at La Salle: 13.0 ppg, 27.8% from three
And while Ty's 3 pt percentage stayed around the same as it was at Va Tech, if you look at the last 9 games of the 2012-13 season, he shot 36.4% from three in those games. Ty didn't get near as much playing time at Va Tech as Earl and Ramon did at their previous schools, so he had a tougher adjustment, especially coming in eight games into the season. Plus with him joining Duren in the workouts with Jameer Nelson, I expect to see his three point percentage take a significant hike.
And someone I know who has spoken to one of the coaches said that Khalid worked very hard to improve his perimeter game during the redshirt year and the hard work is paying off. I expect Khalid to be a significant contributor.
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) and was one of the top performers and few mid majors guards on a roster of 20+ guards, mostly bcs guys besides Graham/weber from vcu and a guy from BU.