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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 4, 2013 10:48:56 GMT -5
No worries. Just trying to keep us on task. Political agendas have been a problem at times and there is a very short leash. That message is deleted and I responded to your message.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Sept 4, 2013 10:58:54 GMT -5
I agree. Just say that or keep them all to one post. Continuous posts with the different subset of schools was unnecessary. If you want to post the other links in your other thread that is fine, just keep it to basketball and not decrying THE PUB.
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Post by weston2 on Sept 4, 2013 11:03:33 GMT -5
No worries. Just trying to keep us on task. Political agendas have been a problem at times and there is a very short leash. That message is deleted and I responded to your message. Wow. This is a political agenda? Are you serious? |
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 11:07:31 GMT -5
Haha here we go... I think we all get what's trying to be said, but talking about the efficiency of charter/public versus private schooling is a very slippery slope on many levels. It's far from a new issue, something we've seen on the news every day for the past three months. This is teetering on the debate of funding, social class, and whole bunch of other shit that I deal with in a daily basis that I don't come to this board to discuss. Basketball please.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 4, 2013 11:09:41 GMT -5
Wow. This is a political agenda? Are you serious? If he's posting it in multiple threads, yes, its becoming an off-topic agenda. |
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Post by explorerman on Sept 4, 2013 11:12:33 GMT -5
I am with PH4L on this issue. Compared to some of the other things on this board, I see nothing wrong with this post and topic. It is absolutely very pertinent to college basketball and for someone with his contacts and insider knowledge in Philly Hoops, I want him on his board. He obviously has allegiance to St Joes but he also has the interest in Philadelphia Hoops also. Plus, it is not like he is that flamer that looks up and tracks someone IP address and try to get him fired (Cabrey). If he was flaming St Joes academia compared to La Salle, Temple, etc. Ok that isn't relevant to college basketball.
But the difference between the Public, Charter and Private schools is readily apparent in the figures that he provided. As mentioned before it is absolutely relevant to college basketball and us. Heck, we have a non-qual on campus right now, T. Washington, who seems to fall into this discussed situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 11:14:14 GMT -5
PhillyHoops4Life, your mistake was posting it on this board. This board is for La Salle hoops discussion. There is a separate board for other topics. explorertown.proboards.com/board/2/discussionPut it there and more than likely, nothing would have been said. No one is persecuting you. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Sept 4, 2013 11:20:41 GMT -5
He could have posted it in this thread, since it's relevant. I didn't speak with Joe before any of this, so I won't speak for him, but my thought is this:
1. He posted 2 threads, which is unnecessary, as they are obviously different beats of the same song.
2. He titled them in a way that indicated an agenda "The problem with _________" as opposed to a more even-handed title.
Putting those two things together and I do see how it could look to be the beginnings of a possible issue. I agree with Joe. It was a misunderstanding, and I think everyone can reasonably see that and no malice was intended.
Feel free to contact myself or Joe with any further questions.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 12:05:41 GMT -5
I totally get where you're coming from, and that basketball often comes hand-in-hand with academics. But this isn't an issue of the PUB, or the spur of Charter schools we've seen in the past ten years or so. Both have been proven to be academically inferior to their private counterparts - and it all makes sense - Stick 35 kids in a classroom with limited city, state, and federal funding and an overworked, understaffed faculty and you're going to get a product that resembles what you put into it.
But for those making these decisions on where to send these basketball phenoms... What other options do they have? It's public or charter, both live off of public money. Or you pony-up and go a different route, which we known isn't always feasible. And I'll regret saying this, but just because you go to an underachieving school doesn't mean you have to be the self-fulfilling prophecy and underachieve yourself. And that could be something that needs to be instilled early on by those surrounding these kids.
Just to be clear, I think we all respect where you're coming from. I just feel it's such a disservice to discuss this through the lens of NCAA eligibility, because the issues impact so many more than those select few - that's why I'm not a fan of this topic.
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Post by weston2 on Sept 4, 2013 12:22:19 GMT -5
That's funny - we had 70 plus in grade school taught by a nun, with limited resources, staff ?, went home for lunch, "but" we came prepared for competition in the classroom, as well as the court. Different time (50's and 60's), different place (no, Philadelphia)?
You can't go home again, as the saying goes. It's not about the dollars.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 12:42:50 GMT -5
If his family had accurate information early on they could have made sure he was qualified based on his 1st four years. They were misinformed. This is exactly what's wrong here. School isn't about basketball. It's about academics, and if you screw around and don't care, you can't blame that on the system, the advisors, the counselors, or the mentors. And if that means you piss away an absolutely golden opportunity of a free college education away to play a sport you love because you thought high school was a joke freshman year, that's on you. I'd have died for that opportunity. |
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 13:08:20 GMT -5
"The NCAA Eligibility Center is THE gatekeeper" of you playing a sport in college, not of academic studies at the secondary level. They have standards because if you can't handle both in high school to proficient level, you sure as hell won't at the college level. They aren't stopping you from studying at a collegiate level though.
And I get the whole incarcerated angle, I deal with a similar group on the regular. People make mistakes, and it shouldn't necessarily define the rest of their lives. But serious question since you're in the know with many of these kids - Is potential defined as collegiate basketball? Or is college simply a means to plays basketball on the next largest stage? Or is collegiate ball truthfully viewed as a means to a free education which sets you up to achieve?
I hurt when I see kids gifted an incredible opportunity to attend college for free to play ball, and the laugh it away by skipping class, getting in fights, etc.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 13:44:44 GMT -5
Since you're pretty well informed on the real view of this, what can someone like myself do to help out with this issue other than discussing it? It's already spurring me to become a mentor through Big Brother Big Sister, but I'm sure there's other ways.
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Post by La Salle 08 on Sept 4, 2013 14:55:26 GMT -5
Link/info for how someone can volunteer to do that? Or can I just find it thru google.
I know I took Pre SAT and practice SAT's in 7th and 8th grade. I'm 100% sure that had a positive impact on my score.
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Post by La Salle 08 on Sept 4, 2013 15:02:37 GMT -5
Redditt ELI5 (explain it like I'm 5) type question:
Can you speak to how Dr. G and the staff handle these situations in the recruiting process? I'm probably very naive about this part of Dr. G's job.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 15:13:24 GMT -5
Now I feel like we're getting somewhere. Glad all the back and forth is has reached a good spot. Thanks for all being respectful throughout.
I'd be more than thrilled to donate time to help with proctoring a test in that manner, but how receptive would schools be? And there's got to be something similar established, no?
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Post by nepaexplorer on Sept 4, 2013 15:34:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry..call me callous. I do have a son, so it's not like I don't care about kids.
But I have to agree with the Moderator.
Most of us went to La Salle, and/or love the Explorer basketball program..that's why we're here on this board.
But that doesn't mean we live in Philly.
From my vantage point, two hours up the turnpike, this is a Philly public school issue, with barely a tangential connection to Explorer basketball.
I just simply don't care to read about it here. This thread is already about 22 responses too long.
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Post by nepaexplorer on Sept 4, 2013 16:18:19 GMT -5
And now this thread is 24 responses too long.
Congratulations on your all-star client list.
I still don't care.
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Post by durenduren on Sept 4, 2013 16:27:59 GMT -5
And now this thread is 24 responses too long. Congratulations on your all-star client list. I still don't care. While this isn't screaming La Salle basketball at face value, it makes decent summer banter now that we're away from the public/charter talk. It gives an insight as to what G faces. No need to be a jerk about it, just don't read the thread. There's no obligation. |
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Post by calidelphia on Sept 4, 2013 19:00:19 GMT -5
wow. what the hell happened there. I've never seen so many ellipses in my life... The topic : trying to establish the clear connection between academic interventions and City 6/Philly scholastic basketball... would belong and would be welcomed in the "other discussions" area. The righteous indignation just isn't working though. This could have been a productive topic in the right place and without the obsessive posting. |
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Sept 6, 2013 21:50:52 GMT -5
So what is everyone's thoughts about Syria?
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Post by durenduren on Sept 6, 2013 22:14:12 GMT -5
I love lamp.
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Post by SICguy84 on Sept 6, 2013 22:38:51 GMT -5
Just saw NASA rocket enter Space from PA.
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Post by MisterD on Sept 6, 2013 22:55:40 GMT -5
"Ouch!" - Pa
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Post by glorydays on Sept 7, 2013 8:20:07 GMT -5
Do not order the Braciole at Mrs. Robino's in Wilmington.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Sept 7, 2013 10:15:55 GMT -5
Sometimes I miss the Pizzeria Uno on Ridge Pike in Conshie.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Sept 25, 2013 18:36:07 GMT -5
Link/info for how someone can volunteer to do that? Or can I just find it thru google. I know I took Pre SAT and practice SAT's in 7th and 8th grade. I'm 100% sure that had a positive impact on my score. Will be providing practice SATs for area youth organizations, AAU programs and High Schools over the next few months... I have ABSOLUTELY no problem if, in addition to volunteering, one wanted to spend a few minutes extolling the virtues of a LaSalle University education to a group of college bound kids.... delgrecowilson.com/2013/09/25/stepping-up-to-the-plate-helping-philly-area-students-and-student-athletes-prepare-for-college/I anticipate a very strong demand for this program across the Philadelphia region.... delgrecowilson@aol.com |
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