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Post by DE-LSU84 on Apr 24, 2013 10:13:59 GMT -5
How does Washington stack up against the kid we tried to recruit from Florida that went to UConn?
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Post by mookie on Apr 24, 2013 10:16:39 GMT -5
Compared to Lewis, I think Washington looks to have more blocking instinct. I may be in the minority here, but I'd like to see Washington NOT be redshirted. Davis is what, a rebounder and not necessarily a shot blocker right???
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Post by bernards on Apr 24, 2013 10:18:10 GMT -5
Anyone have an idea who was currently offering scholarships to Tony?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 10:43:42 GMT -5
Anyone have an idea who was currently offering scholarships to Tony? VCU pulled their offer back in the fall after they filled their recruiting class. As far as I know, all of the other offers were still on the table and I'd be surprised if he didn't have a few more.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 24, 2013 10:47:13 GMT -5
How does Washington stack up against the kid we tried to recruit from Florida that went to UConn? G really wanted Brimah. Given he was the focus of G's fall recruiting you would think Brimah was his main target.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 24, 2013 10:56:32 GMT -5
So we're going to have a pretty insane year or two in the paint depending on when Brimah transfers in, huh?
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Post by explorerman on Apr 24, 2013 11:06:14 GMT -5
So we're going to have a pretty insane year or two in the paint depending on when Brimah transfers in, huh? Hahaha that very well could be the case.. However, his handlers will probably want him to stick it out there for a couple years to allow him to develop..
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Post by DE-LSU84 on Apr 24, 2013 11:18:52 GMT -5
Thanks 88. I realize coach wanted Brimah in the fall, I just want to know if we got a poor man's version of Briham or did we get a kid that has similar potential or a kid that will exceed Brimah's potential. Futhermore, I know that potential is pure speculation, so either way I like the signing. I guess I just want to brag to my friends that my school is getting good recruits.
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Post by jmverlin on Apr 24, 2013 12:44:55 GMT -5
Just wanted to let you guys know that CoBL will be getting Washington on the phone around 7:30pm; we'll have a much-updated story this evening.
-Josh
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 24, 2013 13:01:11 GMT -5
Just wanted to let you guys know that CoBL will be getting Washington on the phone around 7:30pm; we'll have a much-updated story this evening. -Josh That is great. Keep up the good work Josh.
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Post by explorerman on Apr 24, 2013 13:24:46 GMT -5
Just wanted to let you guys know that CoBL will be getting Washington on the phone around 7:30pm; we'll have a much-updated story this evening. -Josh That is great. Keep up the good work Josh. I tell you what their high school/college coverage has been very good. Really enjoyed the Classic updates over the last several weeks. I find the CoBL website in my rotation of websites that I visit every morning now, along with Philahoops.
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Post by 23won on Apr 24, 2013 14:05:55 GMT -5
If he has A10 skills/strength now, I'd play him now. He looks like he can beef up, but he looks strong and agile now. If Steve reinjures or another big gets hurt, it would be nice to have him come in with experience. Playing early helps in that regard. Look at what happened with Wich State. They had a lot of injuries. The depth really helped them.
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Post by explorerman on Apr 24, 2013 14:29:20 GMT -5
If he has A10 skills/strength now, I'd play him now. He looks like he can beef up, but he looks strong and agile now. If Steve reinjures or another big gets hurt, it would be nice to have him come in with experience. Playing early helps in that regard. Look at what happened with Wich State. They had a lot of injuries. The depth really helped them. Washington reminds me of their bigs.. Tall, long athletic.. Exactly the type of big men that give us trouble.. UMASS, Wichita State, etc
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Post by lasallescreamer on Apr 24, 2013 15:07:28 GMT -5
I am not a big red shirt guy. This coming year could be over the top and need to go for it. We do not know what we have in JD and foot injuries can re-occur, even if just in a nagging way.. If this recruit has a talent-like shot blocking and if he is athletic-let him develop on the active roster, play a few min/game and be ready,if needed by end of season. BTW-does G get a vacation?
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Post by luhoopsfan on Apr 24, 2013 16:38:52 GMT -5
Hard to do much better than a Sweet 16 at La Salle, but I want to double-down on 2012-13 and go for more. Sweet 16 is a program changer and I believe we will see those changes in the near future start to ripple; a Final 4 is like a program revolutionizer for a school like La Salle and I think it's worth the chance of playing a freshman big that would obviously benefit from a RS season in the long run, but the short term benefit for the program may be too big to pass on a chance.
I'm not saying this kid makes us a Final 4 team, likely no player that could be considered as that caliber ever will come to La Salle, but my point is that I would take the experienced group of guards we have and their ability to win in the tournament we might as well go for it in their last shot.
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Post by explorerman on Apr 24, 2013 17:42:52 GMT -5
Hard to do much better than a Sweet 16 at La Salle, but I want to double-down on 2012-13 and go for more. Sweet 16 is a program changer and I believe we will see those changes in the near future start to ripple; a Final 4 is like a program revolutionizer for a school like La Salle and I think it's worth the chance of playing a freshman big that would obviously benefit from a RS season in the long run, but the short term benefit for the program may be too big to pass on a chance. I'm not saying this kid makes us a Final 4 team, likely no player that could be considered as that caliber ever will come to La Salle, but my point is that I would take the experienced group of guards we have and their ability to win in the tournament we might as well go for it in their last shot. The more I think about it, the more I back off my statement of him red shirting. I do not see it as he presents something that we currently do not have on the roster. A tall and athletic rebounding/shot blocking specialist. Does not have the muscle or finishing ability of Wright, but have a 3-4 inches, more athleticism and more shot blocking capabilities. Does not have the touch or finesse of Zack, but has much more athleticism in terms of quickness and vertical leap. Does not have the strength of Davis, but naturally gets higher and more open to shot blocking opportunities.
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Post by jellybean on Apr 24, 2013 17:55:00 GMT -5
Washington is from Greenville, SC. The Miller School is tweeting congratulations for committing to La Salle.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 24, 2013 19:16:04 GMT -5
Jumping on the "no red shirt" plan quickly. Potential could be scary if Washington could contribute immediately, having the ability to roll two bigs, with a solid combination of rebounding/shot blocking and an ability to finish. That's overlooking the obvious buffer it gives us in regards to depth.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 24, 2013 19:24:57 GMT -5
Next year is not the year to red-shirt guys who can contribute. Red-shirting Stukes makes sense because he's not going to play as much as you'd want him to with so many talented Senior guards. That's not a "sacrifice this year for next year" move, it's a "don't waste a year of eligibility" move.
Anyone who's going to help at all next year should play.
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Post by mookie on Apr 24, 2013 19:48:17 GMT -5
I'm in complete agreement that he shouldn't be redshirt. Let's be honest, he's a shot blocking specialist. To think he'll develop into a "scorer" like Zack is being a little overambitious. He's the type of player (on offense) that will get his points through alley-oops and tip-ins. He'll be lucky to average 5-6ppg by his junior year (from hitting hooks and jumpers).
He's a defensive specialist via blocks. He could provide that as a freshman. He'll probably need another big body out there with him at all times like Wright and/or Zack, but rarely with Davis. His ability to provide help defense would be huge...
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Post by durenduren on Apr 24, 2013 21:01:57 GMT -5
Mookie, that's what I meant. I don't see him ever being a scorer. Was more implying that if you coupled him with Zack or Wright, it'd be pretty neat. I mean, this is all good on paper, but the potential to have a dominating front court is there.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 25, 2013 9:13:39 GMT -5
Reading that CoBL interview with Washington, I get the sense that they're not planning to red shirt him. I think that's the way to go. We could use the depth, the rebounding and certainly the shot blocking.
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Post by coqui900 on Apr 25, 2013 9:38:47 GMT -5
I think he should play, too. Nothing wrong with having four big guys. Not to diminish anything that happened in the final run of the season, but we almost didn't get a bid last season after Steve went down since Garvin couldn't give much of anything. A quality big guy off the bench could have evened the rebounding totals out a bit and kept some guys from getting into the lane as deep as they did, since we want guys to take two's but don't want them to make layups or get to the FT line.
I also wouldn't be shocked to see Stukes actually play. I know there are people who would know better than I would but it looks like he tore up his senior year and is doing really well in the off-season leagues. He seems that if he was this good one or two years later we wouldn't be competing with Drexel, Fairfield and Binghamton for his services.
Do we have any scholarships left this year? I think we don't since we also have the Georgia Southern kid coming in.
I think we're also really poised to have a huge recruiting class this fall. We're going to need one since Duren and Sammy have been so great and Taylor Dunn has been such a great team guy.
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Post by explorerman on Apr 25, 2013 9:57:15 GMT -5
I think he should play, too. Nothing wrong with having four big guys. Not to diminish anything that happened in the final run of the season, but we almost didn't get a bid last season after Steve went down since Garvin couldn't give much of anything. A quality big guy off the bench could have evened the rebounding totals out a bit and kept some guys from getting into the lane as deep as they did, since we want guys to take two's but don't want them to make layups or get to the FT line. I also wouldn't be shocked to see Stukes actually play. I know there are people who would know better than I would but it looks like he tore up his senior year and is doing really well in the off-season leagues. He seems that if he was this good one or two years later we wouldn't be competing with Drexel, Fairfield and Binghamton for his services. Do we have any scholarships left this year? I think we don't since we also have the Georgia Southern kid coming in. I think we're also really poised to have a huge recruiting class this fall. We're going to need one since Duren and Sammy have been so great and Taylor Dunn has been such a great team guy. No more schollies unless someone leaves
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Post by mookie on Apr 25, 2013 10:02:49 GMT -5
Mookie, that's what I meant. I don't see him ever being a scorer. Was more implying that if you coupled him with Zack or Wright, it'd be pretty neat. I mean, this is all good on paper, but the potential to have a dominating front court is there. haha right...I wasn't arguing against you or anything. Just adding my 2 cents...let me be!!!
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Post by ck on Apr 25, 2013 11:26:55 GMT -5
Just speculating. Perhaps part of the argument for getting Washington was that he play this year, since he might want to be part of (even if only a supporting role) to a team that could do something in the 2014 NCAA tournament.
And the only real criticism of G I had this year (if he had a choice) was going into the year with only two big men. If there was any sort of problem with one yoiu'd be verrrry 'short" (sorry about that) of big men---as of course happened. Given next year's prospective front court it would be interesting to see how they'd do against a Wichita State type team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 7:29:38 GMT -5
30-40lbs of muscle isn't possible in 4 years; he puts on 30-40lbs, only 10lbs of that will be muscle How often have you heard though, with athletes weight gain that it is "all muscle"? now I'm learning it's only actually 25%? Granted, "all muscle" is an exaggeration but "only 10 lbs" of muscle is also a misnomer because it is not a subtle difference to amass that much muscle in an offseason workout. These differences between players do create favorable matchups for us on the court.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Apr 26, 2013 8:06:00 GMT -5
I grew two inches and put on 35 lbs after graduating from high school, but late bloomers are a bit of a trait in my family. This kid seems to have likely reached his peak in height so adding weight will be more of a challenge, but you never know.
Hopefully some of the newfound money train from the NCAA will go towards nutrition & strength programs for all athletes.
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Post by mookie on Apr 26, 2013 10:00:12 GMT -5
I realized that saying "all muscle" is an exaggeration, but believe me, it's going to be ridiculouly tough to put on even 15lbs (of muscle) over 3-4 years. Taking your numbers of 30-40lbs with 25% of it being muscle is still only 10lbs.
I'd expect to see a jump of 3-5lbs of muscle in the first year because of his age and he'd likely just getting into lifting and working out at a higher level. But after that, it'll be 1-2lbs per year of muscle IF he's given a proper diet and workout program. In the end though, an additional 10-20lbs to his current frame would be big for him.
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Post by ck on Apr 26, 2013 13:03:08 GMT -5
A minor question, anyone know Tony washington's actual height? I've seen listings from 6'8" to 6'10". I realize some actual figures given for players heights are political/less then 100% accurate. One silly one was a highlight film featuring Lionel Simmons, on the La Salle Philadelphia Channel, which showed him during each year with height: Freshman-6'7" Sophomore-6'7" Junior-6'7" Senior year-6'8". (He grew a year (just before the NBA draft) his senior year? It's been a while, it could have been 6'6" each year and 6'7" his senior year. Btw, the chat with Washington by the players seems to have really been crucial. from City of Philadelphia: ======================================================================= "While Giannini may have had the first, and most contact with the high school senior, the final words went to his future teammates. “We had a conference meeting where I met the team,” Washington said. “It was just us, and no coaches. They were telling me what was up, how Coach G was, how I can help them, and how they can help me.” “After the conference meeting is when I decided to commit.” =======================================================================
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