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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 9:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by explorerman on Apr 16, 2013 10:17:06 GMT -5
I did read this article also. I am not sure what Tyreek was saying when he said Amar doesn't look to score as much as Duren. Stukes averaged over 20 pts per game in the Catholic League. Duren wasn't even the leading scorer on his team his senior year. I do agree with Garland that he will have to look to score more because Lewis is a defensive stopper, not really an A-10 level scoring threat. Obviously, we do not have our 3rd guard yet for the 2014 team, but he will need to be a scoring threat if this team is going to continue the success that he created this year. 2 scoring guards is a most for any Division 1 basketball, only having 1 scoring guard makes it much easier to defend.
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Post by lwc4591 on Apr 16, 2013 10:49:12 GMT -5
Was at game last night and was treated to the two best players I have seen since K. Irving played. I actually think Austin is slightly better than Jordan but who cares they are both top notch. Stukes started out slow but looked good particularly in the second half. Stukes only took two threes and was 1 for 2. I like Amar because he plays a deliberate game with little flash and a lot of substance. Stukes team was small compared to Jordan/Austin team and really lost the game when McGlinchey was on the bench with little other size. Overall I thought Amar handled himself well and thinking back a few years when Chennault and Duren played I thought Tony was the better player but time eventually proved me wrong as usual. No I am not comparing Amar to either Jordan or Austin because both are the real deal but just stating how these types of games can be very misleading on judging talent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 11:16:09 GMT -5
I did read this article also. I am not sure what Tyreek was saying when he said Amar doesn't look to score as much as Duren. Stukes averaged over 20 pts per game in the Catholic League. Duren wasn't even the leading scorer on his team his senior year. I do agree with Garland that he will have to look to score more because Lewis is a defensive stopper, not really an A-10 level scoring threat. Obviously, we do not have our 3rd guard yet for the 2014 team, but he will need to be a scoring threat if this team is going to continue the success that he created this year. 2 scoring guards is a most for any Division 1 basketball, only having 1 scoring guard makes it much easier to defend. I've seen both Duren and Stukes play in high school, and while Duren was a pass-first point guard at N-G, he would always attack the basket if a seam opened up for him regardless of whether it was two minutes into the game or in crunch time. I saw Stukes play five times this season, and in the first quarter of those games, he was very passive on offense, trying to get his teammates involved first. He didn't turn it on offensively until the second or third quarter. As long as Stukes improves his outside shot and gets stronger (which I fully expect to happen during his redshirt year), he will be able to score in college. I'm sure the coaches will encourage him to be more aggressive offensively. G will find another perimeter scorer. I don't worry about G getting players, especially now that he'll be able to get into some new doors. Plus he will be able to get more points from his low post guys in 2014-15 with Jerrell and Steve being more skilled and even bigger and stronger by then. I wouldn't count out Lewis' as far as scoring either. I'm not saying he's going to be Ramon, but he's had the transfer year to work on his shot and other than Tyrone, he's the quickest kid on the team. I also take into account he was stuck playing next to Devon Saddler his freshman year at Delaware, and that kid, while talented, was one of the biggest ballhogs I've seen in years. He rarely got his teammates open shots. He averaged over 500 shots per season over his last three years. Lewis will get more and better shots at La Salle. |
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Post by explorerman on Apr 16, 2013 11:16:21 GMT -5
Was at game last night and was treated to the two best players I have seen since K. Irving played. I actually think Austin is slightly better than Jordan but who cares they are both top notch. Stukes started out slow but looked good particularly in the second half. Stukes only took two threes and was 1 for 2. I like Amar because he plays a deliberate game with little flash and a lot of substance. Stukes team was small compared to Jordan/Austin team and really lost the game when McGlinchey was on the bench with little other size. Overall I thought Amar handled himself well and thinking back a few years when Chennault and Duren played I thought Tony was the better player but time eventually proved me wrong as usual. No I am not comparing Amar to either Jordan or Austin because both are the real deal but just stating how these types of games can be very misleading on judging talent. LWC, did you agree with the sediment that Stukes had the ability score more but looked to pass in the first half? In second half, it seems to read that he looked to score himself. When he did score was it efficient? I have heard, and well seen, the part that Stukes can create his own shot which is a must for a above average college guard. Just trying to figure how they did things on his AAU team? |
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Post by explorerman on Apr 16, 2013 11:25:24 GMT -5
I did read this article also. I am not sure what Tyreek was saying when he said Amar doesn't look to score as much as Duren. Stukes averaged over 20 pts per game in the Catholic League. Duren wasn't even the leading scorer on his team his senior year. I do agree with Garland that he will have to look to score more because Lewis is a defensive stopper, not really an A-10 level scoring threat. Obviously, we do not have our 3rd guard yet for the 2014 team, but he will need to be a scoring threat if this team is going to continue the success that he created this year. 2 scoring guards is a most for any Division 1 basketball, only having 1 scoring guard makes it much easier to defend. I've seen both Duren and Stukes play in high school, and while Duren was a pass-first point guard at N-G, he would always attack the basket if a seam opened up for him regardless of whether it was two minutes into the game or in crunch time. I saw Stukes play five times this season, and in the first quarter of those games, he was very passive on offense, trying to get his teammates involved first. He didn't turn it on offensively until the second or third quarter. As long as Stukes improves his outside shot and gets stronger (which I fully expect to happen during his redshirt year), he will be able to score in college. I'm sure the coaches will encourage him to be more aggressive offensively. G will find another perimeter scorer. I don't worry about G getting players, especially now that he'll be able to get into some new doors. Plus he will be able to get more points from his low post guys in 2014-15 with Jerrell and Steve being more skilled and even bigger and stronger by then. I wouldn't count out Lewis' as far as scoring either. I'm not saying he's going to be Ramon, but he's had the transfer year to work on his shot and other than Tyrone, he's the quickest kid on the team. I also take into account he was stuck playing next to Devon Saddler his freshman year at Delaware, and that kid, while talented, was one of the biggest ballhogs I've seen in years. He rarely got his teammates open shots. He averaged over 500 shots per season over his last three years. Lewis will get more and better shots at La Salle. [/b] Agreed.. I am guilty of making of an extreme comment regarding Lewis' offensive ability. A year to develop with the resources available at the college level is an invaluable tool to develop a player. I can not imagine that amount of jump shots that Lewis has taken this year. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 16, 2013 11:28:17 GMT -5
Duren played with 4-5 other D1 players during his time there. Stukes had to score for LSCHS to win.
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Post by lwc4591 on Apr 16, 2013 11:46:33 GMT -5
Explorerman Stukes is good at going to the basket and sometimes does try to much to get his fellow players involved insted of looking to score. Last night he was pressing early and had 3-4 turnovers but after that settled down and played a good game. Amar only took two outside shots hitting one with all his other baskets (probably 5 or 6 coming on drives to the basket). I think he was 6 for 8 from the line while scoring 21 points. He handled the ball with I believe only 1 turnover that I recall in the second half but truth is his team was overmatched in both size and talent. If Green and Vasturia played I would say his team would have had a great chance to win the tourny.
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Post by jmverlin on Apr 16, 2013 13:49:17 GMT -5
Hey guys--
Figured I'd chime in as I've seen Stukes play at least half a dozen times this season, not counting the Donofrio Classic and other things. He can definitely score, but as kjmac noted he tends to turn it on later in games if needed. If Steve Smith, Ryan Winslow and others were hitting shots, Stukes was perfectly comfortable to rack up the dimes. He's not the only player that does that, though--Rysheed Jordan was very similar at Vaux, as was Steve Vasturia at Prep. Both got stronger as games went on. What I like about Stukes is his ability to create his own shot in the half-court offense; while he's also great in the open court, as are a lot of point guards at that level, he's capable of getting into the lane even when he's iso'd against a solid defender (like Neumann-Goretti's Ja'Quan Newton), which he needs to because his outside shooting is fairly bad. If he can shoot 33-35% from 3-point range his redshirt freshman year, consider that a big success. I definitely agree with the players' assessment that he'll fit in in the La Salle system.
-Josh
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Post by mookie on Apr 16, 2013 14:15:24 GMT -5
is it guaranteed Stukes will be redshirted? Nothing will change that? By that, I mean barring an injury...
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Post by jmverlin on Apr 16, 2013 16:02:01 GMT -5
is it guaranteed Stukes will be redshirted? Nothing will change that? By that, I mean barring an injury... Guaranteed? I mean, I guess if someone goes down, the situation would have to be reevaluated, sure. I don't think it's anything like set in stone, but I do think it's a situation they'd really like to avoid, obviously. Aside from an injury? I would be pretty surprised. That backcourt already has Duren, Garland, Peterson and Khalid Lewis, plus Taylor Dunn, who can give them 5-8 minutes off the bench. With Jerrell Wright, Steve Zack, Rohan Brown and Jermaine Davis up front, they can go 8-9 deep on most nights even without Stukes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 23:14:49 GMT -5
is it guaranteed Stukes will be redshirted? Nothing will change that? By that, I mean barring an injury... Guaranteed? I mean, I guess if someone goes down, the situation would have to be reevaluated, sure. I don't think it's anything like set in stone, but I do think it's a situation they'd really like to avoid, obviously. Aside from an injury? I would be pretty surprised. That backcourt already has Duren, Garland, Peterson and Khalid Lewis, plus Taylor Dunn, who can give them 5-8 minutes off the bench. With Jerrell Wright, Steve Zack, Rohan Brown and Jermaine Davis up front, they can go 8-9 deep on most nights even without Stukes. Don't forget Sam Mills. |
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Post by jmverlin on Apr 16, 2013 23:25:25 GMT -5
Guaranteed? I mean, I guess if someone goes down, the situation would have to be reevaluated, sure. I don't think it's anything like set in stone, but I do think it's a situation they'd really like to avoid, obviously. Aside from an injury? I would be pretty surprised. That backcourt already has Duren, Garland, Peterson and Khalid Lewis, plus Taylor Dunn, who can give them 5-8 minutes off the bench. With Jerrell Wright, Steve Zack, Rohan Brown and Jermaine Davis up front, they can go 8-9 deep on most nights even without Stukes. Don't forget Sam Mills. Whoops, that's a pretty big brain fart right there. Okay so if they start two bigs, you've already got your starting guards (Duren/Garland/Mills), your sixth man (Peterson...unless Peterson keeps starting and Garland stays sixth man), plus Khalid Lewis, PLUS Davis and Brown. No, I can't see them playing Stukes unless someone gets injured, and even then I think depending on who the injury is to they might still get away with it yet. |
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