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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 18:59:02 GMT -5
I have my new least favorite college hoops "journalist". Maybe it's me, but everything this guy has written for PhilaHoops has an anti-La Salle feel to me. This latest article makes me sick. Everyone on here knows I'm a huge G apologist and I will be very disappointed if he leaves La Salle, but on the flip side, I will be happy for him if he finds a great situation and a nice payday because no one has worked harder than him. That being said, I just don't get a La Salle grad (who also holds a post-grad degree from Temple) writing an article which is basically trying to push the idea of G taking the Rutgers job. www.philahoops.com/la-salle-series-why-rutgers-would-want-john-gianniniNot once does he mention any of the advantages for G if he were to stay at La Salle. He also gives wrong information on G's salary, saying he makes less than $300k per year. I know the last documented proof of G's salary that I saw was in the $365k range, and that was just his base salary. And that was for 2010 or 2011. I have to believe he's over the $400k figure now. This guys other articles were: 1) about how La Salle probably wouldn't get into the NCAA tournament 2) about the last two decades of problems for the La Salle basketball program 3) about how La Salle's run in the tournament was aided by a lot of good fortune and luck (and barely anything about how those kids played their asses off and deserved all the accolades and success they had). www.philahoops.com/author/dr-aaron-j-moore/Whatever Bracy is paying this clown, it's too much. |
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 4, 2013 19:17:25 GMT -5
It's not just you
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 4, 2013 19:23:38 GMT -5
Back journalism at it's finest. The guy obviously has an agenda.
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 4, 2013 19:25:35 GMT -5
Another alma mater loathing hack masquerading as a journalist. Seemed to have cornered the local market on those types.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 4, 2013 19:31:17 GMT -5
Back journalism at it's finest. The guy obviously has an agenda. Meant to say hack journalism. Damn auto-correct. |
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Post by expbrady03 on Apr 4, 2013 20:12:19 GMT -5
I see your Aaron moore and raise you a John Gonzales. Blech.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 5, 2013 6:41:05 GMT -5
I see your Aaron moore and raise you a John Gonzales. Blech. Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using proboards And he gets paid. I assure you, Dr. Moore wants to see the school be successful. I understand your points, but I think 'hack' might be far fetched. Skeptical, maybe. |
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Post by La Salle 08 on Apr 5, 2013 8:05:07 GMT -5
I also thought that Bracy took a turn against us at the end of the season. Maybe it was because he was sick or maybe I just have thin skin.
He never passes up an opportunity to call out the attendance at the Gola but I must have missed the articles about how the Hagan/Liacourous were routinely half empty for non-marquee games this year.
PhilaHoops is still a godsend for all basketball fans.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2013 9:30:41 GMT -5
People here take objectivity very, very personally. Take a college basketball fan from an unassociated east coast conference, America East or Ivy or whatever, and ask them which school is a better option for a coach and why, and you're going to get "Rutgers because _______, ________ and _______" from most. We tend to kill anyone inside Philadelphia, especially with a connection to La Salle, who doesn't simply pom-pom in public. "You can't call my brother what I just called him" doesn't work when reporters want to be taken seriously outside the fishbowl.
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Post by talkinbball on Apr 5, 2013 9:32:17 GMT -5
Just read the G to Rutgers article (not the others mentioned). Other than the salary question, not sure exactly what the problems are. Seems like G would be a legitimate candidate for Rutgers or any other open position. Didn't G step in and clean up our mess? Seems to me that getting hung up on this stuff is diverting attention from the most important issue of La Salle needing to decide on what it wants to be going forward as a program and, depending on that decision, making the required commitment.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Apr 5, 2013 9:42:14 GMT -5
No doubt this guy has some valid points. But, I have to agree with KJ, after reading a few of the fellas pieces I got the same anti La Salle feel. I put him on ignore.
There is a lot positive to write about the La Salle program these days. When writers fail to see this or give this adequate attention, I wonder about their objectivity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 10:00:47 GMT -5
Just read the G to Rutgers article (not the others mentioned). Other than the salary question, not sure exactly what the problems are. Seems like G would be a legitimate candidate for Rutgers or any other open position. Didn't G step in and clean up our mess? Seems to me that getting hung up on this stuff is diverting attention from the most important issue of La Salle needing to decide on what it wants to be going forward as a program and, depending on that decision, making the required commitment. You and Mister D missed my point. I don't deny that G is a good candidate for the Rutgers job. They could do a lot worse than hiring him. My post also has nothing to do with what La Salle needs to do to move forward as a program. What my post is about is that this guy has written four articles, all about La Salle, and EVERY ONE takes a negative slant towards La Salle, or at the very least, it writes very few positive things about the school and program. Not one mention in the Rutgers article about how staying at La Salle may end up being a good option for G if they give him a big raise or increase their committment. But he sure came up with plenty of reasons why Hurley should stay at URI. And his salary figures were WRONG. Nothing like basing a theory on incorrect facts and numbers. Even worse was his article about the team's run. Try reading that again. If you believe what he wrote, La Salle was lucky: 1) to play Boise St in Dayton because they're familiar with Dayton's arena (yeah, they play there once every other year, and last I saw, the court is 94' long and the baskets are 10' high there just like every other court) 2) Kansas State didn't get the scouting report (even though they had someone in Dayton scouting the game and the rest of their staff watched the game on TV while resting in Kansas City) 3) La Salle was "lucky" that Sam didn't try and block Rodriguez's last second shot (really, he wrote this drivel) 4) La Salle was lucky Bruce Weber is such a bad coach. Yeah, so bad that K-State tied for the regular season B12 title and lost in the conference championship game 5) Jerrell was lucky to make his foul shots. How about maybe the coaching staff finally got him to focus mentally when he went to the line. Jerrell is not James Jordan. He has very good form and technique from the line. It was pretty easy to see all season that his issue there was mental. Well, he figured it out, and it wasn't luck. Did this guy bother to see what Jerrell did the next two games, going 6-7 from the line against Ole Miss and Wichita St? I guess that was luck too. I'll stop there. It gets even worse as you go further into the article. Not once in the article did he credit how well the team played, how they shared the ball, how through hard work and team play, they shut down K-State and Ole Miss at the end of both games. Nah, it was all good fortune and good luck. Please. Bottom line, this guy is a hack and has an agenda. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 5, 2013 10:22:54 GMT -5
I have a yellow legal pad with a line down the middle, Friends and Foes of La Salle Basketball. Aaron J. Moore has been added. But in all seriousness kjmac12, I agree will all your points. The incorrect facts invalidate the rest of his article.
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Post by 23won on Apr 5, 2013 10:23:04 GMT -5
KJ, I googled "your man." He is a prof at Rider.
B.A., LaSalle University; M.A., Ph.D., Temple
Dr. Moore teaches public relations and event planning. Professionally, he serves as a communication consultant. Dr. Moore's research interests include media ownership, sports journalism and gambling trends. Dr. Moore has written for The Philadelphia Inquirer and Los Angeles Times. A frequent contributor to Basketball Times magazine and the YESNetwork.com, Dr. Moore is also the creator of The Columbia Journalism Review's database on media ownership.
Maybe he got rejected for a position at La Salle or he went to the dark side while at TU, believing what many TU types think -- that La Salle is only lucky when they win. If those aren't the factors, what would motivate his negativity. Most media types, except hard core TU alum grumblers, have gotten on the Floater Float (aka bandwagon).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 10:38:42 GMT -5
I have a yellow legal pad with a line down the middle, Friends and Foes of La Salle Basketball. Aaron J. Moore has been added. But in all seriousness kjmac12, I agree will all your points. The incorrect facts invalidate the rest of his article. LOL. Maybe I come off that way, but all I'm looking for is fair and balanced reporting, especially from a La Salle grad. And maybe, just once, he could be a little bit of a homer. It's like the guy goes out of his way to be anti-La Salle (not as bad as Gonzo, but still somewhat negative. I don't get it.) |
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 5, 2013 11:03:47 GMT -5
I have a yellow legal pad with a line down the middle, Friends and Foes of La Salle Basketball. Aaron J. Moore has been added. But in all seriousness kjmac12, I agree will all your points. The incorrect facts invalidate the rest of his article. LOL. Maybe I come off that way, but all I'm looking for is fair and balanced reporting, especially from a La Salle grad. And maybe, just once, he could be a little bit of a homer. It's like the guy goes out of his way to be anti-La Salle (not as bad as Gonzo, but still somewhat negative. I don't get it.) With alumni like this guy and Gonzo, who needs foes! |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2013 12:16:26 GMT -5
Also, I really thought all public info pointed to Dr. Coach making less than $300K. I know he got an extension, but I didn't think the numbers were disclosed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 12:47:08 GMT -5
Also, I really thought all public info pointed to Dr. Coach making less than $300K. I know he got an extension, but I didn't think the numbers were disclosed. Go to page 35 of the 990 form. In 2011, G's base salary was $426k, and that doesn't include what he makes from Under Armour and camp revenue (not sure if they still have summer camps and if they do, G may have given that to the assistant coaches. I believe Walt Fuller used to get that money when he was the associate head coach). 990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/231/231352654/231352654_201205_990.pdfAgain, shoddy journalism. The information is public knowledge and can be found online. Took me all of 5 minutes. |
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Post by talkinbball on Apr 5, 2013 12:51:13 GMT -5
Maybe It's Me but this is what I think. Forgetting about the "luck" of the team nonnsense, I want continued exposure of the lack of commitment we have made to the program. I want negative publicity in those areas. I want some media with some actual impact to point out extensively how G/the program has been getting by with such little backing. I want people contacting the Admin for comment on these issues. Ask about G's salary and where it ranks. Point out again (and again) about the lack of facilities. What do we think it is going to take for our commitment to be stepped up? We have a limited window of opportunity to, possibly, get some action and we need to take advantage of it. This board needs thicker skins and more focus on what's needed for the bigger objective. The AD is already on record saying the facilites are currently not on the table BUT we need to keep winning. Without continued pressure nothing will be done! More alumni have paid attention to La Salle in the last month then they have in years. We need to take advantage of that. The more our name is kept in the news the better. The last thing we need is for the Admin to think is that all we need is the right coach and the rest does not matter. Maybe it's me but I think that, for the time being, bad publicity on the right fronts, is exactly what we need.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 5, 2013 17:28:18 GMT -5
Also, I really thought all public info pointed to Dr. Coach making less than $300K. I know he got an extension, but I didn't think the numbers were disclosed. Go to page 35 of the 990 form. In 2011, G's base salary was $426k, and that doesn't include what he makes from Under Armour and camp revenue (not sure if they still have summer camps and if they do, G may have given that to the assistant coaches. I believe Walt Fuller used to get that money when he was the associate head coach). 990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/231/231352654/231352654_201205_990.pdfAgain, shoddy journalism. The information is public knowledge and can be found online. Took me all of 5 minutes. Stand very corrected on that point. |
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Post by jellybean on Apr 6, 2013 6:13:59 GMT -5
Let's just not go to Philahoops. A little boycott never hurts. Sends message that you are ticking off the very people you want to read your blog.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 6, 2013 9:15:56 GMT -5
No. The PhilaHoops guy is one of our own and the "just write nice stuff" message is thin-skinned and dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 10:21:41 GMT -5
No. The PhilaHoops guy is one of our own and the "just write nice stuff" message is thin-skinned and dumb. Nobody said that this internet "journalist" has to "just write nice stuff". But when someone, and a La Salle grad to boot, feels the need to write every article with a negative slant towards the program, and basically doesn't write any "nice stuff" in all four of his articles, even with the team making a Sweet 16 run, then why is it "thin-skinned and dumb" to question it? Maybe what he wants is what talkinbball wants. Maybe he feels the way to get La Salle to make a bigger committment to the men's basketball program is to embarrass them through negative publicity. If that's the case, then he has an agenda, and I don't particularly like reading "journalists" who spend all of their time trying to push one agenda and ignoring the good things about the program. I like fair and balanced coverage. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 10:34:21 GMT -5
Maybe It's Me but this is what I think. Forgetting about the "luck" of the team nonnsense, I want continued exposure of the lack of commitment we have made to the program. I want negative publicity in those areas. I want some media with some actual impact to point out extensively how G/the program has been getting by with such little backing. I want people contacting the Admin for comment on these issues. Ask about G's salary and where it ranks. Point out again (and again) about the lack of facilities. What do we think it is going to take for our commitment to be stepped up? We have a limited window of opportunity to, possibly, get some action and we need to take advantage of it. This board needs thicker skins and more focus on what's needed for the bigger objective. The AD is already on record saying the facilites are currently not on the table BUT we need to keep winning. Without continued pressure nothing will be done! More alumni have paid attention to La Salle in the last month then they have in years. We need to take advantage of that. The more our name is kept in the news the better. The last thing we need is for the Admin to think is that all we need is the right coach and the rest does not matter. Maybe it's me but I think that, for the time being, bad publicity on the right fronts, is exactly what we need. I don't mind a "journalist" writing about La Salle's need to step up their committment, because I think pretty much everyone agrees that they do. Every article written doesn't have to be a cheerleading piece. I just think that when everything someone writes takes a negative slant, the message gets lost because people will get tired of reading it. I don't like reading "journalists" who feel the need to push the same agenda non-stop. If that's what you want and you think it will work, then fine. I just don't agree. And maybe it's me, but I get the impression that you were mocking me in your post, but then again, I need a thicker skin. Nice job. |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 6, 2013 12:00:09 GMT -5
I didn't say it was dumb to question the post, it would be dumber not to question something one with bad facts. I said it was dumb to threaten a boycott.
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Post by las71 on Apr 7, 2013 7:03:49 GMT -5
Before we made our run, Philahoops was the only media outlet giving us more than minimal coverage. I will continue to read it regularly..
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Post by bernards on Apr 7, 2013 7:48:25 GMT -5
I have felt the same way about Moore's articles. He forms a concept for an article then develops his story. He likes to write contrarian articles. What has bothered me about him is that he has only written this type of article on La Salle. If he rotated schools I would not have an issue in this style. In stating he is a grad of La Salle he tries to add to his perceived objectivity when he is critical. I don't believe he has an agenda, he is just a poor journalists in picking topics where he will present balanced thoughts. I will continue to read the articles on the site. Not everything will or should be positive. I also believe, like many PR professionals, he likes the controversy.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Apr 7, 2013 9:36:33 GMT -5
Before we made our run, Philahoops was the only media outlet giving us more than minimal coverage. I will continue to read it regularly.. I am completely in agreement with you here. Philahoops has been great for both La Salle and the Big 5. I hope they keep on keeping on! I will keep reading. And while I have chosen to ignore this particular writer after reading a couple of pieces thatI I thought were in general hit pieces against La Salle, I am glad others like KJ have read him and held his feet to the fire. La Salle fans have lived through many years of mistakes, pain and negativity of many sorts and varieties.. This guy gave me the impression when I read him that this was not suppose to change, he does not seem to have noticed we are witnessing a time of positive transition. Perhaps he has made a carreer advancement calculation that is based in some part upon the forever blundering and failing La Salle? This seems to be his slant and focus. Got to love the way his mind set toward our successes seems to readily cast it as luck. Most of us are pretty darn excited right now. We just had 2, 20+ winning seasons. shared the Big 5 Championship, went to the Sweet 16. We have a coach who is sucessfully building a program in a balanced ethical way. The future looks very bright. Our brand has become nationally attractive. Perhaps we are doing something right! |
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Post by talkinbball on Apr 7, 2013 12:19:08 GMT -5
Other than the one linked story, I had, and still haven't read anything else written by this guy. Since I don't consider this site main stream media I just didn't/don't see the point in getting too worked up about what is said. Making an issue out of it, in my opinion, gave it a degree of credibility it did not deserve. I have had some further thought, however, on the idea, of anything in our "run" having to do with "luck" and that is: IT'S ABOUT TIME. Anyone, following the program, knows we have had more than our share of bad luck (reference all the "what if" threads over the years (mine go all the way back to Durrett's knee his senior year). So, if the "luck Gods" want to start treating us differently I am all for it and hope it continues well into the future. We'll take it!
Was just thinking that, I hope, somewhere on an Ole Miss Message Board there is a post the says "What if the Southwest Philly Floater did not go in". Feels good!
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Post by olneyave on Apr 7, 2013 14:26:19 GMT -5
Despite the recent success, I think many people who graduated from the mid 90s to late 2000's still have anger at the administration. During their college experience, their basketball team was frankly embarrassing, especially to people that love sports. Alums are pissed lack of investment in the most visible product a University has. They never experienced the good years. Success will change that, but it is going to take time. I don't that makes them La Salle haters by any means.
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