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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 8, 2013 9:30:44 GMT -5
I tried to do a full thing and it' s way too complicated. But it would appear a big game for us (if we lose) is Butler-Xavier. Xavier at 9-7 actually loses a tiebreaker to UMass and Joe's (and they would lose the 3 way tiebreak as well). With Joe's and UMass playing Charlotte and URI respectively, Xavier losing would almost ensure they are no higher than the 7 seed. They would actually probably drop to the 8 seed, as long as both Joe's and UMass took care of business.
Of course, if we end up the 1 or 2 seed, we'd want the reverse to be true. Although it's much less important then. I know we lost to UMass as well, but I'd prefer to see them again over X.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 8, 2013 10:36:35 GMT -5
what?
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 8, 2013 10:51:20 GMT -5
If Xavier loses, they will probably be the 7 or 8 seed, because they lose tiebreakers to Joe's and UMass, who are both likely to win. I would rather have Xavier lower, because that would mean we don't have to play them on Friday, if we lose to SLU tomorrow.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 8, 2013 10:53:06 GMT -5
If Xavier loses, they will probably be the 7 or 8 seed, because they lose tiebreakers to Joe's and UMass, who are both likely to win. I would rather have Xavier lower, because that would mean we don't have to play them on Friday, if we lose to SLU tomorrow. I agree with avoiding X as long as possible. I don't understand why some on this board would prefer to play X over some other teams. I would much rather avoid SLU, VCU, Temple, Butler/X over anyone else in the tournament.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 8, 2013 10:56:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't pick them if I had my choice obviously. I'd much rather play bonaventure or GW as much as possible in the tourney. My position is that if i had to pick from the list of Temple, VCU, SLU, Butler and Xavier for opponents I would prefer Xavier first of that group simply because I think we had a poor game plan against them on the road and Xavier is not nearly as good on the road as they are at home.
Ideally i want to somehow play Charlotte on Friday, I think we could win that game.
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Post by cpico on Mar 8, 2013 11:12:20 GMT -5
We should beat Xavier on a neutral court. They wouldn't be my first choice, but on a neutral court that is a game we should win.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 8, 2013 11:15:26 GMT -5
The best reason to avoid X is that it's high risk/low reward. They're a great rebounding team that could really beat up on us without Zack. We don't match up with them particularly well unless we shoot lights out (which simply can't happen every night). So there's a high probability that we lose to them and yet their RPI # is nothing special. It's not a resume-altering win. Some of those other teams, while just as likely (if not slightly more) to beat us, would be another marquee win if we beat them. X is a top-50 RPI type of team (IMO) with an actual RPI nearer to 100. But just ask Memphis and St Louis what type of team they are. They don't scare me as much outside of the Cintas Center, but they're tough. If Dee Davis didn't suffer that concussion, they probably would have beat VCU too.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 8, 2013 11:15:29 GMT -5
There is no doubt the teams i meantion and La Salle are another level over the other teams. Anyone can beat anyone in the first tier on a given day/night. That is what makes this tourmanet almost impossible to predict.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 8, 2013 12:35:28 GMT -5
I tried to do a full thing and it' s way too complicated. But it would appear a big game for us (if we lose) is Butler-Xavier. Xavier at 9-7 actually loses a tiebreaker to UMass and Joe's (and they would lose the 3 way tiebreak as well). With Joe's and UMass playing Charlotte and URI respectively, Xavier losing would almost ensure they are no higher than the 7 seed. They would actually probably drop to the 8 seed, as long as both Joe's and UMass took care of business. Of course, if we end up the 1 or 2 seed, we'd want the reverse to be true. Although it's much less important then. I know we lost to UMass as well, but I'd prefer to see them again over X. UMass beat both X and Overbrook so they wrap up the 6 seed by winning at URI, unless X wins at Butler. If we lose at SLU and VCU wins at Temple we'd get UMass, assuming they win their first-round game. So, assuming X loses at Butler, if we lose to SLU there really are only 2 key games for us to avoid X and Overbrook in our first game, VCU/Temple and UMass/URI, with VCU/Temple obviously critical for us to get the 3 seed. If UMass loses to URI and Overbrook wins at Charlotte, we'd get Overbrook as the 6 seed because they beat X. It looks as if the only way we could get X if they lose at Butler is if Overbrook and UMass both lose.
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Post by coachd on Mar 8, 2013 12:44:27 GMT -5
Same as it ever was. Stop making sense!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 20:28:04 GMT -5
La Salle is a 3 unless Temple wins, then we are a 4. Did I leave anything out?
Barclay's Center advertises this is the first NBA arena tournament game since 2002. However, the Spectrum was not an NBA arena in 2002, it was a former NBA arena. Whoops.
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 9, 2013 20:46:59 GMT -5
I believe we will play Butler because I strongly feel Temple will beat VCU. We play Mass if VCU wins.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 21:04:54 GMT -5
So Bonaventure joins URI, Duquense and Fordham in having their season end today.
Dayton (7-9) is the 12 seed, by virtue of losing to GW. If we end up in the 4, we could do a whole worse in having them as the 12 seed we're rooting for.
GW (7-9) will be the 11 seed.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 21:06:50 GMT -5
The 8-8 teams are Richmond, Charlotte, and St. Joe's. They all went 1-1 against each other.
Richmond gets the 8 seed, due to beating the 2nd place team, VCU, which is the highest ranked team any of them beat.
Charlotte is the 9 seed, by virtue of beating the Hawks.
St. Joe's is the 10 seed.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 21:09:28 GMT -5
The 9-7 teams are Xavier and UMass
UMass is the 6 seed, by virtue of beating Xavier head to head.
Xavier is the 7 seed.
So locked in, as of now are
1. SLU 2. VCU 3. ?? 4. ??
5. ?? 6. UMass 7.Xavier 8. Richmond 9. Charlotte 10. St. Joe's 11. GW 12. Dayton
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 9, 2013 21:10:01 GMT -5
I think this going to be a conference tournament that's going to go chalk. The first especially I don't think there will be any upsets
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 9, 2013 21:11:15 GMT -5
First round that is
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 21:12:13 GMT -5
So, with tomorrow's game:
If VCU wins,
3. La Salle 4. Butler 5. Temple
If Temple wins: 3. Temple 4. La Salle 5. Butler
....so we will either play the winner of a UMass-GW game, or a Butler-Dayton game. As long as I did this right.
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Post by 20thandolney on Mar 9, 2013 21:14:19 GMT -5
Get your VCU foam fingers out everyone.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 21:18:21 GMT -5
Yeah it's hard not to prefer that matchup to Butler...or even Dayton with their crazy ass fans and their annoying noisemakers. I know they lost today, but they've been playing well lately, and are usually a tough out in the tournament.
Obviously of the 4, our preference would be GW.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 21:22:45 GMT -5
Glad that game is at noon tomorrow. I don't want to wait around all day. And with the clocks going forward tonight, it'll really feel like it starts at 11AM.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 9, 2013 21:35:42 GMT -5
So, with tomorrow's game: If VCU wins, 3. La Salle 4. Butler 5. Temple If Temple wins: 3. Temple 4. La Salle 5. Butler ....so we will either play the winner of a UMass-GW game, or a Butler-Dayton game. As long as I did this right. GW won at UMass, 79-76. Dayton lost at Butler (wihen Rotnei got planted), 79-73.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 9, 2013 22:07:04 GMT -5
@aaron_Bracy: Day 1 #a10 pairings: 8 Richmond vs. 9 Charlotte, 12; 5 Butler/Temple vs. GW, 2:30; 7 Xavier vs. St. Joe's, 630; 6 UMass vs,. 11 Dayton, 9
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 9, 2013 22:10:04 GMT -5
@aaron_Bracy: You are correct. My bad. RT @nickthestick88: @aaron_Bracy you sure Dayton isn't 12 and GW 11? GW has tiebreaker with win today
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 22:10:55 GMT -5
I actually would want to avoid GW. We need another top 100 win. We should need to retake the Umass course and not fail it this time.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 9, 2013 23:05:28 GMT -5
I actually would want to avoid GW. We need another top 100 win. We should need to retake the Umass course and not fail it this time. That's a fair point. I'm just focused on what is most likely to yield a win, but I do understand what you're saying.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 10, 2013 11:15:02 GMT -5
Temple is all over VCU early on.
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Post by thehawkisdead on Mar 10, 2013 11:20:50 GMT -5
9-0 VCU run has calmed things down.
Make it 11-0...
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Post by thehawkisdead on Mar 10, 2013 11:25:12 GMT -5
All the way to 18 before the media time out. Wow. Temple can't handle the press at all.
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Post by explorerman on Mar 10, 2013 11:33:28 GMT -5
All the way to 18 before the media time out. Wow. Temple can't handle the press at all. Which makes you think what was G thinking when he didn't bother pressing against Temple..
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