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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 7, 2013 9:59:03 GMT -5
If we're in the play-in game after a win, I think all of these sites (and again, who knows how accurate they are) will have us totally out, unless we win another game.
If we win again, I think they'll have us out of the play-in game.
Our position is tenuous, but I think it's going to take another win.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 7, 2013 10:00:26 GMT -5
We want UVA, Boise State and Kentucky to lose as much as possible. I'm not convinced that Nova losing it's opening round @ MSG wouldn't make them a play-in candidate. UVA v Kentucky for the play-in game is fine with me.
More than anything I think our road wins will carry weight with the committee and especially if we can win @ SLU, that would be 2 Top 50 road wins. Nova beat a UConn team that has literally nothing to play for on the road as their best road win and that's pretty much all they've done away from home.
Also, sometimes geography can play a role on the seed lines and we may well end up as a 12 seed w/out the play-in game because of something related to that.
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 7, 2013 10:50:04 GMT -5
It's amazing how we've convincingly won these last few games and our position has become more unstable for the tournament.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 7, 2013 10:57:09 GMT -5
We're gonna get boned. I'm really starting to sense it.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 7, 2013 11:15:50 GMT -5
We're gonna get boned. I'm really starting to sense it. I have the same feeling. Short of a SLU upset or strong run in the A-10 tourney.
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Post by coachd on Mar 7, 2013 11:26:28 GMT -5
I know it is difficult but you have to ignore the folks like Lunardi and Palm. I have faith that the committee looks at everything including ROAD wins and how we haven't lost 2 in a row all season.
We are not last seasons' Drexel squad... that team didn't have any top 20 wins.
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Post by phillysports07 on Mar 7, 2013 11:29:57 GMT -5
Hope we win Saturday and we don't have to worry
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 11:43:11 GMT -5
I know it is difficult but you have to ignore the folks like Lunardi and Palm. I have faith that the committee looks at everything including ROAD wins and how we haven't lost 2 in a row all season. We are not last seasons' Drexel squad... that team didn't have any top 20 wins. I have a hard time believing the Committee doesn't look at road wins, but at the same time that means they notice road losses in some degree. Considering how we lost to Xavier (not as close as score would indicate), Miami (score doesn't indicate how close it was for the first half); and Charlotte (we were blown out in the first half) I would hope they look only at the score. I also believe our losses to UMass and CCSU are actually really bad losses considering they were at home...well, CCSU was a really bad loss while UMass is a decent team. Bottom line is there are a few things to keep in mind: Beat STL and we're essentially in Lose to STL and we'll need to make a deep run in the A10s Minimal upsets in all conference tourneys Several bubble teams flounder in the conference tourneys
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 7, 2013 11:46:23 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand -- Tennessee got PROMOTED to Final 4 In status despite losing. We get demoted despite winning.
There are a bunch of games left. I'm not THAT worried. I'm still worried.
There have only been a handful of bubble teams that earned big spikes since the bubble unfolded. But almost all of those teams have also suffered through a bad loss. We only have had two chances for a good win these past few weeks -- Temple and St. Louis. However, we've had a LOT of chances for bad losses and weathered that storm.
If we beat St. Louis we clinch at least a two seed in the A-10s, I believe? Beating the three best teams in the conference is huge.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 7, 2013 11:47:48 GMT -5
The thing that truly scares me is any team vs. Kentucky on the bubble. Despite what the prognosticators say, there is absolutely no way Kentucky is in the NIT. They could lose every game from here on out by 40 and they'd still be in.
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Post by 20thandolney on Mar 7, 2013 11:51:58 GMT -5
I know it is difficult but you have to ignore the folks like Lunardi and Palm. I have faith that the committee looks at everything including ROAD wins and how we haven't lost 2 in a row all season. We are not last seasons' Drexel squad... that team didn't have any top 20 wins. I have a hard time believing the Committee doesn't look at road wins, but at the same time that means they notice road losses in some degree. Considering how we lost to Xavier (not as close as score would indicate), Miami (score doesn't indicate how close it was for the first half); and Charlotte (we were blown out in the first half) I would hope they look only at the score. I also believe our losses to UMass and CCSU are actually really bad losses considering they were at home...well, CCSU was a really bad loss while UMass is a decent team. Bottom line is there are a few things to keep in mind: Beat STL and we're essentially in Lose to STL and we'll need to make a deep run in the A10s Minimal upsets in all conference tourneys Several bubble teams flounder in the conference tourneys Define deep run in the A-10. If we win one game because we have a bye that would put us in the semi-final. Is that a deep run? I think so. If we win another game we are absolutely in (whether it be STL or first A-10 game). If not, we have every right to complain until the day we all die. (I think we are in already as a play in game)
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Post by neubauer93 on Mar 7, 2013 12:02:12 GMT -5
We're gonna get boned. I'm really starting to sense it. I'm sick about this. We take care of what we have to take care of...by a comfortable margin, and we still drop in multiple projection brackets. We cannot control who we play. We can control the results - which we have done. It is nice that many have faith in the committee, but with many projectionists sending us the other direction, I have a bad feeling that a loss to a to 20 team will be our kiss of death. We have been best in this city, and the irony is the names TEMPLE & VILLANOVA will be called on that hallowed Sunday.
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 12:09:23 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing the Committee doesn't look at road wins, but at the same time that means they notice road losses in some degree. Considering how we lost to Xavier (not as close as score would indicate), Miami (score doesn't indicate how close it was for the first half); and Charlotte (we were blown out in the first half) I would hope they look only at the score. I also believe our losses to UMass and CCSU are actually really bad losses considering they were at home...well, CCSU was a really bad loss while UMass is a decent team. Bottom line is there are a few things to keep in mind: Beat STL and we're essentially in Lose to STL and we'll need to make a deep run in the A10s Minimal upsets in all conference tourneys Several bubble teams flounder in the conference tourneys Define deep run in the A-10. If we win one game because we have a bye that would put us in the semi-final. Is that a deep run? I think so. If we win another game we are absolutely in (whether it be STL or first A-10 game). If not, we have every right to complain until the day we all die. (I think we are in already as a play in game) In most cases, deep run would be 2 wins...since we've locked up a bye, I think just one win would qualify as "deep". I think right now we're at worst as play-in game as well...but I don't like not knowing (or not being confident). I want at least one more win...to me, after last season and this year's performance the NIT should not even be in our thoughts. Let's get that NCAA invite and make some noise!
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 7, 2013 12:09:53 GMT -5
Tennessee doesn't belong at all. For that matter, I don't get how Iowa State could possibly be ahead of us. I know they value number of top 50 wins, but 3-7 (all three at home) is not better than 2-2 (with one on the road). It just isn't. That team is 3-8 in true road games and 1-1 (the neutral floor win was over Drake, RPI 147) on neutral floors. Compare to 8-5, 1-0. And we have a better RPI. Kentucky worries me, because of the "name" factor alone, even though the SEC is a joke, outside of Florida.
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 12:26:41 GMT -5
I agree with you that Iowa State shouldn't be ahead of us. If we're a borderline team, then Iowa State is NIT at best.
But people really need to stop saying this conference or that conference is a joke or is overrated. The A10 is underrated yes, but the SEC is one of the better conferences and produces tons of NBA talent year after year...more than the A10.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 7, 2013 12:27:16 GMT -5
Is there anyway we can petition the NCAA to let them know our game against St. Joe's was at The Palestra and in front of a 50/50 crowd? That's THE most neutral court game imaginable.
Duke gets credit for neutral court wins at the Meadowlands where 95% of the fans in attendance are alums from the area. Those are home court games.
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 7, 2013 12:31:35 GMT -5
I agree with you that Iowa State shouldn't be ahead of us. If we're a borderline team, then Iowa State is NIT at best. But people really need to stop saying this conference or that conference is a joke or is overrated. The A10 is underrated yes, but the SEC is one of the better conferences and produces tons of NBA talent year after year...more than the A10. You're right. The SEC isn't a joke. Having 4-5 SEC teams in the field is a joke. It's a good conference, in the way that the A10 has been a good conference in past years: multi-bid league that's competitive at the top. It produces a ton of talent and Florida would probably be the best team in the A10 (I'm not 100% sure of that, but I think so). But the A10 is clearly the better league this year and I resent the fact that Kentucky (1-4 vs. top 50) and Ole Miss (1-3) could get our spot. These aren't elite teams.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 7, 2013 12:58:24 GMT -5
Oh wait Nova lost two in a row one to Pitt and one to a horrible S. Hall team and it didn't seem to do much harm. This is the most ridiculous aspect. With 3 games left, both of us should have been "must win 2". Instead Villanova is being viewed as "just go 1-2" and we're being viewed as "must win all 3". Just amazing that guys like Lunardi and Palm are willing to completely ignore the demoninator in the equation "good wins divided by opportunities for good wins".
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Post by lwc4591 on Mar 7, 2013 13:21:53 GMT -5
Coqui you are worried about Kentucky and others because there is a whole lot of cheating going on. Repeat after me if it is close TV picks the team period, of course under the name of a selection group.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 7, 2013 13:23:23 GMT -5
UNC was in the NIT a few years ago and I feel as though that caused some uproar. also VA Tech got left out a few years back as well and people went bananas.
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 14:27:45 GMT -5
Coqui you are worried about Kentucky and others because there is a whole lot of cheating going on. Repeat after me if it is close TV picks the team period, of course under the name of a selection group. "Cheating" isn't the term for it...more like biased. That bias comes from years of success and national media attention. Again, if LaSalle puts together a string of good years (and NCAA appearances) then they'll receive that same benefit.
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 14:29:53 GMT -5
UNC was in the NIT a few years ago and I feel as though that caused some uproar. also VA Tech got left out a few years back as well and people went bananas. I remember that. UNC that year didn't deserve the NCAA but since it's UNC, it was a shocker they weren't invited. VTech deserved to be in the tourney that year...definitely got hosed.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 7, 2013 14:36:23 GMT -5
I just hate how the bracketologists and the media all act like this is done in a vaccum every single year. It's clearly not. Kentucky's getting a bid no matter what. I'll even wager to say they won't even have to do the Final Four In game.
Ah, the joys of paying Marcus Camby to go to your school and how it can launch a career.
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 16:25:01 GMT -5
I just hate how the bracketologists and the media all act like this is done in a vaccum every single year. It's clearly not. Kentucky's getting a bid no matter what. I'll even wager to say they won't even have to do the Final Four In game. Ah, the joys of paying Marcus Camby to go to your school and how it can launch a career. It's rare for a college to not provide extra benefits to an athlete...LaSalle is no different.
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Post by golasalle on Mar 7, 2013 17:06:57 GMT -5
I just hate how the bracketologists and the media all act like this is done in a vaccum every single year. It's clearly not. Kentucky's getting a bid no matter what. I'll even wager to say they won't even have to do the Final Four In game. Ah, the joys of paying Marcus Camby to go to your school and how it can launch a career. It's rare for a college to not provide extra benefits to an athlete...LaSalle is no different. Come on Mookie, that is false equivalency, there is a reason that Calipari has left a wake of teams on probation at every stop he makes.
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Post by mookie on Mar 7, 2013 18:55:03 GMT -5
It's rare for a college to not provide extra benefits to an athlete...LaSalle is no different. Come on Mookie, that is false equivalency, there is a reason that Calipari has left a wake of teams on probation at every stop he makes. It's really not. I know players who've we received benefits...difference is LaSalle was not a tourney team to attract the attention of the NCAA.
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