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Post by hykos1045 on Jun 6, 2024 6:30:59 GMT -5
These aren't even good mid majors. This tourney is a tick below the tourney they won when Brandon Stone went off and played the best games of his career. It's a tick above the tournament we played at Gola where G scheduled all the games at 5 PM instead of the later games, mid-week, and we went 0-3. It's about on par with the Cian Sullivan Irish homecoming, and waaayyy better than the Boardwalk Hall tournament we won 5 years ago. I guess it's nice to go to Florida in November. We Agree 90% (uh oh!) The perception problem I'm having with this tourney is that the A10 is NOT actually a true one bid league and should not be actively embracing its status as a league that doesn't get a lot of Quad-1 and Quad-2 action, at least out of conference that is. And fundamentally speaking, this tourney has some pretty low stakes in that if we win it as the 1 or 2 seed, how much did we exactly advance beyond just winning games you're supposed to win? We can schedule these level of opponents regularly at any time. With exception of UCSD due to distance and prestige, I feel as though these are not good draws for us. We're a major conference. With all of the P6 snubbing going on, from Villanova on down, I like to utilize these exempt tournaments the way Giannini often did. To play South Carolina, Providence, UConn, Georgetown, Miami, Virginia, and etc. Admittedly, that may not have been on the table because the P6 continues to actively pull away from scheduling high mid majors. I would start to like this tournament a lot more if Xavier or Georgetown or even Hofstra/JMU/Vermont/Towson was the 8th team. Instead, we'll probably get like an even lower caliber opponent because it's so late in the sched process and beggars can't be choosers. Whoever accepts the bid is going to be in a similar predicament as us having trouble scheduling OOC games. |
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Post by las71 on Jun 6, 2024 6:57:38 GMT -5
I think scheduling for us continues to be difficult. The big conferences are squeezing the mid majors out in every way they can and we have to find 12 out of conference games. I doubt a better tourney was available to us. On the other hand we have so many new players that scheduling games where we can gain experience and possibly pick up some wins makes sense too.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Jun 6, 2024 6:58:21 GMT -5
My wife went into premature labor with my 5 year old that Friday. Otherwise, I was going to watch that debacle. Billy hahn won a tourney in 03-04 against like coppin state and Chattanooga, I thought we were gonna be good. That tournament in AC was on that level. On the flip side, 2018 also had us in the Wooden Legacy Tournament. We went 0-3 against Miami (FL), Northwestern, and Grand Canyon. Bracket also featured Seaton Hall, Utah, Fresno State and Hawaii. |
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Post by lasallejohn on Jun 6, 2024 7:06:40 GMT -5
Why do we ignore playing Wake Forest, GTown, Cincinnati in Fran year 1 and Miami and Duke OOC last year and now UNC and maybe more this upcoming year? Beggars can’t be choosers. i don’t mind the “cupcake” games if we get 2-3 P5 games.
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Post by weston2 on Jun 6, 2024 7:13:00 GMT -5
I think scheduling for us continues to be difficult. The big conferences are squeezing the mid majors out in every way they can and we have to find 12 out of conference games. I doubt a better tourney was available to us. On the other hand we have so many new players that scheduling games where we can gain experience and possibly pick up some wins makes sense too. Considering 3 to the Big Five Classic, it's actually 6 plus a decent 3 games tournament. And most of those 6 should be home games plus 1 game at a Power 5-6 school.....but get a nice Buy number. Goal should be at least 8-4. Easier said than done. |
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Post by giveansk1 on Jun 6, 2024 7:34:05 GMT -5
Will be curious how this gets broadcasted. I'm hoping it doesn't end up on something weird like FloHoops. At least the Gazelle Group is established in college hoops so I imagine they already have someone in mind.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jun 6, 2024 9:04:50 GMT -5
Will be curious how this gets broadcasted. I'm hoping it doesn't end up on something weird like FloHoops. At least the Gazelle Group is established in college hoops so I imagine they already have someone in mind. yeah, flohoops is not good. it still boggles my mind that the caa gives almost exclusive broadcast rights to them and haven't moved over to espn+. it's a decent league and deserves better. their commissioner dropped the ball on this deal. i don't see this tournament being affiliated with espn but my hope is they're able to get cbs college sports or nbc college sports/usa network to broadcast at least some of the games and stream the rest. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jun 6, 2024 9:38:08 GMT -5
These aren't even good mid majors. This tourney is a tick below the tourney they won when Brandon Stone went off and played the best games of his career. It's a tick above the tournament we played at Gola where G scheduled all the games at 5 PM instead of the later games, mid-week, and we went 0-3. It's about on par with the Cian Sullivan Irish homecoming, and waaayyy better than the Boardwalk Hall tournament we won 5 years ago. I guess it's nice to go to Florida in November. We Agree 90% (uh oh!) The perception problem I'm having with this tourney is that the A10 is NOT actually a true one bid league and should not be actively embracing its status as a league that doesn't get a lot of Quad-1 and Quad-2 action, at least out of conference that is. And fundamentally speaking, this tourney has some pretty low stakes in that if we win it as the 1 or 2 seed, how much did we exactly advance beyond just winning games you're supposed to win? We can schedule these level of opponents regularly at any time. With exception of UCSD due to distance and prestige, I feel as though these are not good draws for us. We're a major conference. With all of the P6 snubbing going on, from Villanova on down, I like to utilize these exempt tournaments the way Giannini often did. To play South Carolina, Providence, UConn, Georgetown, Miami, Virginia, and etc. Admittedly, that may not have been on the table because the P6 continues to actively pull away from scheduling high mid majors. I would start to like this tournament a lot more if Xavier or Georgetown or even Hofstra/JMU/Vermont/Towson was the 8th team. Instead, we'll probably get like an even lower caliber opponent because it's so late in the sched process and beggars can't be choosers. Whoever accepts the bid is going to be in a similar predicament as us having trouble scheduling OOC games. there is no way la salle will be the 1 or 2 seed in this tournament. many times, these tournaments are seeded based on the previous season's net or rpi. la salle really can't look down their noses at the rest of the field. out of the 7 teams we already know about, la salle's 2023-24 net rating is only the 5th best and the rpi is the 4th best. i'm sure the a10 is not thrilled about la salle being in this tournament just like the aac wouldn't be about east carolina, but like others have said, putting together an out of conference schedule can be problematic for a school like la salle. my hope is that la salle at least gets to play toledo who runs a quality program. no way a p6 school would even entertain this tournament, but as of now, hofstra, james madison, towson, princeton, harvard and a handful more decent programs are still looking for a mte. vermont is already committed to play in a lower tier hall of fame classic with delaware, fairfield and yale. |
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Post by hykos1045 on Jun 7, 2024 12:15:53 GMT -5
Diehard, Thank you for your well researched response as always.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 7, 2024 12:31:35 GMT -5
We Agree 90% (uh oh!) The perception problem I'm having with this tourney is that the A10 is NOT actually a true one bid league and should not be actively embracing its status as a league that doesn't get a lot of Quad-1 and Quad-2 action, at least out of conference that is. And fundamentally speaking, this tourney has some pretty low stakes in that if we win it as the 1 or 2 seed, how much did we exactly advance beyond just winning games you're supposed to win? We can schedule these level of opponents regularly at any time. With exception of UCSD due to distance and prestige, I feel as though these are not good draws for us. We're a major conference. With all of the P6 snubbing going on, from Villanova on down, I like to utilize these exempt tournaments the way Giannini often did. To play South Carolina, Providence, UConn, Georgetown, Miami, Virginia, and etc. Admittedly, that may not have been on the table because the P6 continues to actively pull away from scheduling high mid majors. I would start to like this tournament a lot more if Xavier or Georgetown or even Hofstra/JMU/Vermont/Towson was the 8th team. Instead, we'll probably get like an even lower caliber opponent because it's so late in the sched process and beggars can't be choosers. Whoever accepts the bid is going to be in a similar predicament as us having trouble scheduling OOC games. there is no way la salle will be the 1 or 2 seed in this tournament. many times, these tournaments are seeded based on the previous season's net or rpi. la salle really can't look down their noses at the rest of the field. out of the 7 teams we already know about, la salle's 2023-24 net rating is only the 5th best and the rpi is the 4th best. i'm sure the a10 is not thrilled about la salle being in this tournament just like the aac wouldn't be about east carolina, but like others have said, putting together an out of conference schedule can be problematic for a school like la salle. my hope is that la salle at least gets to play toledo who runs a quality program. no way a p6 school would even entertain this tournament, but as of now, hofstra, james madison, towson, princeton, harvard and a handful more decent programs are still looking for a mte. vermont is already committed to play in a lower tier hall of fame classic with delaware, fairfield and yale. On its own, none of these games would be worth a fart in a windstorm in a standalone setting. These are bad teams from bad conferences, apologies to the American. When I'm looking at a nonleague schedule, it's to play decent competition, get decent wins, and be ready to play come A10 league time. This Daytona tournament falls short on all 3 accounts. |
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Post by glorydays on Jun 12, 2024 15:55:35 GMT -5
Avelo has 2 way flights from Wilmingto DE to Orlando for like $150. I think that is their closest location to Daytona (like 60 miles). I don’t think Avelo has flights every day to and from Wilmington.to Orlando and they don’t have anything listed after Nov 5th yet. You guys would love flying out of Wilmington. Bring your rosaries.
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 11, 2024 17:19:01 GMT -5
James Madison is the 8th team.
From Jon Rothstein:
Source: James Madison is the eighth team in the first ever Boardwalk Battle in Daytona Beach.
Rest of field:
Toledo
Stetson
UIC
East Carolina
La Salle
Jacksonville State
UC San Diego
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jul 11, 2024 17:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jul 11, 2024 19:56:48 GMT -5
Probably the only team I'd be excited about playing. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jul 12, 2024 12:29:47 GMT -5
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 12, 2024 16:24:03 GMT -5
seems like Ticketmaster really jacks up the ticket price |
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Post by La Salle 08 on Nov 18, 2024 10:20:37 GMT -5
Current KenPom for the bracket:
James Madison (174) vs UIC (168)
La Salle (118) vs UC San Diego (136)
East Carolina (138) vs Jax State (182)
Toledo (140) vs Stetson (329)
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Post by talkinbball on Nov 18, 2024 14:39:11 GMT -5
This looks like a "Field" of 8 schools whose ADs are now asking themselves how they could have ended up in a "Holiday Tournament" this bad.
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Post by giveansk1 on Nov 18, 2024 14:53:25 GMT -5
Tickets are cheap and appear to only be sold on the broadcast side. I can't imagine anyone is excited to go to Daytona Beach especially for these games. However, it is great to play three games over three days and La Salle has reasonable depth going 8-9 deep.
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Post by sweat83 on Nov 18, 2024 15:30:14 GMT -5
The second highest ranked team (UC San Diego) lost to a winless Seattle University team over the weekend. We play them Thursday. But if we take this tournament lightly, teams like JMU and Toledo are capable of handing us our first L. 3 games over the course of 3 days is never easy for any of these teams though.
Question...Does the Tournament pay for the Travel expenses for these teams?
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Post by 23won on Nov 18, 2024 15:37:13 GMT -5
UCSD played a close loss to SD State, which is always good, so should be a good test
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Post by explorerman on Nov 18, 2024 17:03:57 GMT -5
The second highest ranked team (UC San Diego) lost to a winless Seattle University team over the weekend. We play them Thursday. But if we take this tournament lightly, teams like JMU and Toledo are capable of handing us our first L. 3 games over the course of 3 days is never easy for any of these teams though. Question...Does the Tournament pay for the Travel expenses for these teams? Funny note that UCSD lost one of their best plays to the portal in the offseason.. La Salle was interested party |
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Post by roaddog77 on Nov 18, 2024 21:07:46 GMT -5
The team to keep an eye on is UIC. They 3-1 and the one loss was against Northwestern on the road. This going to be a tough tournament on the Boardwalk. Let win on Thursday baby.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 18, 2024 22:07:26 GMT -5
Speaking of Northwestern...and this is WAAAYYYYY off topic... but I saw a feature on CNBC this morning about their new $850M football stadium opening in 2026. They were touting its small size - 35,000 - smallest in the Big 10, but where all the seats better from a fan experience. "Our worst seat in this stadium is 100 feet closer to the field than the most expensive seat at the Big House," said Pat Ryan Jr., co-CEO of Ryan Sports Development, referring to 107,601-seat Michigan Stadium. "You're building things up and cantilevering them over instead of going out. It's structurally much more challenging from an engineering perspective, but you've got to create better-than-TV sightlines."Here's some details from ESPN: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42461968/northwestern-reveals-plans-new-850-million-ryan-field |
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Post by coachd on Nov 19, 2024 8:36:15 GMT -5
Speaking of Northwestern...and this is WAAAYYYYY off topic... but I saw a feature on CNBC this morning about their new $850M football stadium opening in 2026. They were touting its small size - 35,000 - smallest in the Big 10, but where all the seats better from a fan experience. "Our worst seat in this stadium is 100 feet closer to the field than the most expensive seat at the Big House," said Pat Ryan Jr., co-CEO of Ryan Sports Development, referring to 107,601-seat Michigan Stadium. "You're building things up and cantilevering them over instead of going out. It's structurally much more challenging from an engineering perspective, but you've got to create better-than-TV sightlines."Here's some details from ESPN: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42461968/northwestern-reveals-plans-new-850-million-ryan-fieldLa Salle is NOT starting a football program again!!! |
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Post by MisterD on Nov 19, 2024 11:51:02 GMT -5
They were touting its small size - 35,000 - smallest in the Big 10, but where all the seats better from a fan experience. This seems like a really dumb thing to tout, right? Like no shit the worst seat in 35,000 is better than the worse seat in 3x that size, but are all 35,000 better than the 35,000 best in 3x that size or is it just the lamest possible semantics? |
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Post by giveansk1 on Nov 19, 2024 13:05:49 GMT -5
They were touting its small size - 35,000 - smallest in the Big 10, but where all the seats better from a fan experience. This seems like a really dumb thing to tout, right? Like no shit the worst seat in 35,000 is better than the worse seat in 3x that size, but are all 35,000 better than the 35,000 best in 3x that size or is it just the lamest possible semantics? It's a lame quote. The AD is referencing the Club Seats at Michigan Stadium which are above all the other seats but still have great sightlines. Michigan Stadium is a big bowl inspired by the Yale Bowl but built into the ground at bigger scale. Notre Dame then copied Michigan Stadium and has a similar setup with club boxes added this century. Northwestern's stadium looks like a nice soccer stadium with alot of non football things to do in and around it. Visiting fans continually take over the stadium with so many fans living in the Chicago area. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 19, 2024 22:08:52 GMT -5
It just occurred to me this tournament is being played in the same building that Hulk Hogan became a bad guy and formed the nWo at Bash at the Beach ‘96.
Hallowed ground and this team better put on a performance befitting such a venue.
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Post by nyalum on Nov 19, 2024 23:30:33 GMT -5
It just occurred to me this tournament is being played in the same building that Hulk Hogan became a bad guy and formed the nWo at Bash at the Beach ‘96. Hallowed ground and this team better put on a performance befitting such a venue. Here's hoping no one on La Salle turns heel. Although it's hard to see Fran Dunphy or anyone on his staff wielding a steel chair anytime soon. |
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Post by hoopsguest on Nov 20, 2024 7:53:40 GMT -5
It just occurred to me this tournament is being played in the same building that Hulk Hogan became a bad guy and formed the nWo at Bash at the Beach ‘96. Hallowed ground and this team better put on a performance befitting such a venue. Here's hoping no one on La Salle turns heel. Although it's hard to see Fran Dunphy or anyone on his staff wielding a steel chair anytime soon. Dr G is here Kale “but whose side is he on” |
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