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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 8:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by las71 on Mar 26, 2024 8:48:32 GMT -5
Excellent summary of the issues La Salle basketball faces. Aaron touched all the bases here. Wherever we land we need an administration that is 100% on board in support of the program.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 26, 2024 8:56:09 GMT -5
written from the perspective of a st joe's (pa) guy. shocking that he suggests la salle should leave the a10. i'm sorry i wasted 5 minutes reading it. there's a reason philahoops.com flopped.
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Post by giveansk1 on Mar 26, 2024 8:59:21 GMT -5
Does he know anything about the 4 in the transfer portal or is that all speculative? I assume purely speculative based on his writing on Dunphy.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 9:11:17 GMT -5
there's a reason philahoops.com flopped. Having run that website for five years I can abruptly say F you. The website closed because it's impossible to make money running a local niche website when the two guys doing it are trying to raise families. Aaron is a good writer and I agree with him on the Atlantic 10. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 26, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5
People have to stop with the outrage at the suggestion the A-10 might not be the best fit for La Salle. I don't like hearing it dismissively from fans of St. Joe's (PA) or Dayton (among others) when the spin is "Throw them out of the league for the good of the league" but when its centered on whats best for La Salle, there's a reasonable argument to be made. Actually several. Even if you don't agree, I don't understand getting huffy.
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Post by golasalle on Mar 26, 2024 9:58:32 GMT -5
Excellent summary of the issues La Salle basketball faces. Aaron touched all the bases here. Wherever we land we need an administration that is 100% on board in support of the program. We have that now. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 26, 2024 10:55:11 GMT -5
This "story" is basically everything we've said on here (minus the 3-point shooting analysis). No conversation with Dunphy, or the players, or the administration at La Salle....just speculation. If his background for this "story" came from Joe...and no offense Joe...it isn't really a "story". I agree with diehard.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 26, 2024 11:00:17 GMT -5
At this point, I think the story of leaving the A10 is overblown. Duquesne just won the league, and yes, there's the connection to LeBron through Dambrot and Joyce. (Bronny, who's always been an A10 level player, would be wise to transfer to Duquesne, but that's another conversation). But it's been a typically A10 bottom program.
Get the renovation done, see where we're at in the next 3-5 years, see where we are post Dunph, and then have a conversation. We bounced the Dukes out of the A10s a year ago. They just won a game in the Dance.
Any move now, or probably in the next 2 seasons, is premature. This league could be due for a Renaissance, if it plays its cards right and reduces the league schedule to 16 games post the UMass exit. Stick around, recruit the marginalized high school kids, let's see if Glaser Arena elevates the program, and we'll see where we are down the road.
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Post by 23won on Mar 26, 2024 11:07:59 GMT -5
I don't get "journalism" in this new landscape. It's more endangered than La Salle and NIL competitiveness. Article was about as insightful as hearing idiots on WIP with no skin in the game taking potshots at owners and having "solutions" to make things better, when they have no seat at the table or voice. Pretty useless.
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Post by 1801olney on Mar 26, 2024 11:13:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I usually like his stuff, but this was bullshit. Even managed to weave in praise for Billy Lange! wtf
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 11:19:51 GMT -5
This "story" is basically everything we've said on here (minus the 3-point shooting analysis). No conversation with Dunphy, or the players, or the administration at La Salle....just speculation. If his background for this "story" came from Joe...and no offense Joe...it isn't really a "story". I agree with diehard. My background was limited to whether or not La Salle was considering leaving the Atlantic 10 which, in my discussions with three people who do or have worked in the department, La Salle is not considering doing. It's not a story anyway...it's an opinion piece and should be read as such. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 26, 2024 11:22:49 GMT -5
This "story" is basically everything we've said on here (minus the 3-point shooting analysis). No conversation with Dunphy, or the players, or the administration at La Salle....just speculation. If his background for this "story" came from Joe...and no offense Joe...it isn't really a "story". I agree with diehard. My background was limited to whether or not La Salle was considering leaving the Atlantic 10 which, in my discussions with three people who do or have worked in the department, La Salle is not considering doing. It's not a story anyway...it's an opinion piece and should be read as such. So his opinion is being informed by you speaking to 3 current or former employees rather than him actually going to a proper source. Hilarious. He couldn't have posted a poll on this board and gotten the same results for his opinion piece. |
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Post by calsufan on Mar 26, 2024 11:26:33 GMT -5
At this point, I think the story of leaving the A10 is overblown. Duquesne just won the league, and yes, there's the connection to LeBron through Dambrot and Joyce. (Bronny, who's always been an A10 level player, would be wise to transfer to Duquesne, but that's another conversation). But it's so a typically A10 bottom program.  Hmmm, if Bronny did transfer to Duquesne, I wonder if LeBron would ask to be traded to the Pittsburgh Pisces? |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 26, 2024 11:28:14 GMT -5
At this point, I think the story of leaving the A10 is overblown. Duquesne just won the league, and yes, there's the connection to LeBron through Dambrot and Joyce. (Bronny, who's always been an A10 level player, would be wise to transfer to Duquesne, but that's another conversation). But it's so a typically A10 bottom program. Hmmm, if Bronny did transfer to Duquesne, I wonder if LeBron would ask to be traded to the Pittsburgh Pisces? |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 12:09:10 GMT -5
My background was limited to whether or not La Salle was considering leaving the Atlantic 10 which, in my discussions with three people who do or have worked in the department, La Salle is not considering doing. It's not a story anyway...it's an opinion piece and should be read as such. So his opinion is being informed by you speaking to 3 current or former employees rather than him actually going to a proper source. Hilarious. He couldn't have posted a poll on this board and gotten the same results for his opinion piece. wrong |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 26, 2024 12:17:25 GMT -5
Which part is wrong?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 12:36:33 GMT -5
My discussion with him about my thoughts regarding conferences having anything to do with the meat of the story. He already had it written, he was running it by me and…like I mentioned…I agreed with him. My contributions were generally about the state of the program. I don’t know what your problem is other than you seem to not like anything that has to do with me, so much to the point that you’re just actively disparaging a dude writing a blog as a hobby for no money. It’s weird. And I’ve made an effort not to play the game with you so I’m not going to. He asked me my thoughts on things and wrote a piece I agree with, most of which was written before we talked. |
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Post by 23won on Mar 26, 2024 13:24:54 GMT -5
Joe gave some background. Let's not get too up tight over this.
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Post by las71 on Mar 26, 2024 13:27:35 GMT -5
Among the many things I'll never understand is the hostility on this board. I know we all think we're smarter than everyone else on this board or like to act like we're insiders but it just drives people away. Presumably we're all explorer fans and we look to this board as a place to discuss La Salle hoops. We all have opinions but as La Salle alums we should be intelligent enough to express our thoughts without being hyper critical. For the most part I enjoy the board but sometimes it's difficult to read some of the posts. We should be trying to attract more people to this board shouldn't we?
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 26, 2024 13:35:05 GMT -5
I’m all for us dropping down. The A-10 would have been a one-bid league if Dayton won the tournament and there was no one else on the bubble. The change from the RPI to the current metrics didn’t even give the Big East a break this year. It’s certainly hasn’t helped the A-10 at all. Maybe it’s fluky (the MWC was a darling this year) but everything is pointing to the A-10 to being in a truly bad position. Maybe only one or two schools will have the NIL money to compete with the big boys. It’s going to be a conference where it will be a feeder program (even more than it already is) for bigger schools.
Why be in a one/two conference with one of the smaller budgets and student bodies? Even in the A-10’s big years and we were competitive, it’s not like casual fans are rushing out to see the “receiving votes” level URI or St. Bonnie’s games on a Tuesday night in February. Outside of Dayton, no A-10 schools have these big fan bases that travel to away games unless they have a random good year. The A-10 made sense when it was getting bids on par with the ACC and Big East. That’s not happening anymore.
A conference like the MAAC where we would be at the top end of resources (not just for basketball but every sport) and play a bunch of teams within a few houurd drive. The furthest schools are Canisus and Niagara. Everyone else is within 2.5 hours so it’s probably likely we’d get just as many away fans as we get now. We’d be able to schedule up OOC, too.
The MAAC had a Top 25 women’s team this year i Fairfield.
Pretty much every school in the MAAC is a match for our profile of student — middle-class and first-in-your-family students. We’re closer to St. Peter’s than we are to St. Joe’s, which has a big amount of “wealthy kids who didn’t get into Villanova but Daddy bought us an house in Overbrook and we want to bro down and ruin Manayunk.”
(Side-note: I was a middle class kid and my dad had a college degree. A lot of my friends from La Salle were from Philly and were the first from their families to go to college. They moved up the ladder and had a lot more career and life options than their parents. The “first-in-the-family” students are a lot more pronounced on campus now from what I understand. We have less Catholic Schools in the area to feed students and are making it up from a lot of Philly charters and public schools. We are really helping a lot of kids move into the middle class and beyond. To me, schools like ours are a lot more important to the world than rich kid enclaves where you already have your law school picked out since your dad went there.)
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 26, 2024 13:48:25 GMT -5
Even in the A-10’s big years and we were competitive, it’s not like casual fans are rushing out to see the “receiving votes” level URI or St. Bonnie’s games on a Tuesday night in February. Outside of Dayton, no A-10 schools have these big fan bases that travel to away games unless they have a random good year. Without getting into a whole other thing, you hit on a talking point that always bugged me whenever this subject comes up. People will say things like "No one wants to come out and see La Salle play Rider or Quinnipiac on a Tuesday night" as if that's somehow materially different to most people from seeing Richmond or UMass against La Salle on a Tuesday night. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 13:50:57 GMT -5
Rider's basketball team has six guys from Philadelphia on it. Will probably get more people to that game.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 26, 2024 15:14:36 GMT -5
there's a reason philahoops.com flopped. Having run that website for five years I can abruptly say F you. if i posted this, you'd ban me or put me on double secret probation. kind of hypocritical if you ask me. |
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Post by 23won on Mar 26, 2024 15:23:38 GMT -5
I'm against leaving the A10. We're in. Let's take advantage of it. If other schools complain about us, so what!
Playing in the A10 enables a team to win a game or two if you make the dance. Duq and UD got decent seeds based on conference perception and won a game each. You also get battle tested and some chances for Quad 1 and 2 wins. The other named conferences don't.
We should aim on elevating the program within the A10. SBU has done that. Fordham (a perennial doormat) also has done so recently. There's no reason we can't. If you blame NIL, the arena, the neighborhood, enrollment or anything else, you're just making excuses to have a sh!tty program. I want a better program, not a sh!tty program, and I have have no interest in joining another conference unless the A10 boots us.
I like competing against the Catholic schools in our league (SJU, SBU, Fordham, UD, Duq, Loyola, SLU, roughly in that order). I also like the private and public schools we play in the A10 (VCU, UR, DC, GW, GMU, URI roughly in that order). With a good coach and sub-optimal A10 talent, we competed against all teams this year. Improve depth and athleticism and good things can happen. A10 is a great league and I think there is legit room for 3 bids in the future. I'm all in on the A10.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 26, 2024 15:57:16 GMT -5
Having run that website for five years I can abruptly say F you. if i posted this, you'd ban me or put me on double secret probation. kind of hypocritical if you ask me. You're wrong. Have tons of proof if you want it. PM me if you want to talk about it. |
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 26, 2024 21:15:55 GMT -5
I’m all for us dropping down… <snip> Excellent post. I generally reside in the A-10 or bust camp, but this is one of the better put together arguments for the other option. I have about a million thoughts, and can never organize them completely in a format that’s cohesive to share here. I guess my number one fear in dropping down is the loss of “prestige” that comes playing in a conference of this structure. Was 2013 great just because of the Sweet 16 run, or was it greater because of how we got there with the big wins over a ranked Butler and ranked VCU? What I always fail to realize is that most of the perceived prestige is tied to member teams successes prior to entering the A-10. La Salle was last consistent in the MAAC. More recent additions like VCU, Davidson, Mason, Loyola all made a name for themselves in smaller conferences, not one with the depth of the A-10. You can be successful and make a name for yourself at that lower level. While your conference schedule won’t always give you that chance at a huge upset against a ranked opponent like in 2013, building your team the right way will give you that chance for that win against another ranked team in March. edit: our NET ranking this season would still only be the 5th best in the MAAC |
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Post by fvp47 on Mar 26, 2024 21:29:10 GMT -5
I'm against leaving the A10. We're in. Let's take advantage of it. If other schools complain about us, so what! Playing in the A10 enables a team to win a game or two if you make the dance. Duq and UD got decent seeds based on conference perception and won a game each. You also get battle tested and some chances for Quad 1 and 2 wins. The other named conferences don't. We should aim on elevating the program within the A10. SBU has done that. Fordham (a perennial doormat) also has done so recently. There's no reason we can't. If you blame NIL, the arena, the neighborhood, enrollment or anything else, you're just making excuses to have a sh!tty program. I want a better program, not a sh!tty program, and I have have no interest in joining another conference unless the A10 boots us. I like competing against the Catholic schools in our league (SJU, SBU, Fordham, UD, Duq, Loyola, SLU, roughly in that order). I also like the private and public schools we play in the A10 (VCU, UR, DC, GW, GMU, URI roughly in that order). With a good coach and sub-optimal A10 talent, we competed against all teams this year. Improve depth and athleticism and good things can happen. A10 is a great league and I think there is legit room for 3 bids in the future. I'm all in on the A10. [/ I agree. I see no reason to drop down. We are finally getting a real arena, from my conversations with a few in the administration and those who are close to them we have a President and AD who gets it. We have a great coach for one if not two more years. The assumption always seems to be that we would rule the MAAC. I think it would be fair to say that some of the players we have would not be here is we were not in the A10. For these reasons I would be against dropping down and continue to support the program with my contributions including to the Collective |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 27, 2024 9:11:53 GMT -5
My discussion with him about my thoughts regarding conferences having anything to do with the meat of the story. He already had it written, he was running it by me and…like I mentioned…I agreed with him. My contributions were generally about the state of the program. I don’t know what your problem is other than you seem to not like anything that has to do with me, so much to the point that you’re just actively disparaging a dude writing a blog as a hobby for no money. It’s weird. And I’ve made an effort not to play the game with you so I’m not going to. He asked me my thoughts on things and wrote a piece I agree with, most of which was written before we talked. Joe...let's review. You titled this post a " Aaron Bracy EOY La Salle Story". Then when I criticized it as a story because he hadn't talked with anyone with any meaningful info (players, coaches, administration, etc) you wrote, "It's not a story anyway...it's an opinion piece and should be read as such."
Next, you said you gave him background info and said you talked to "three people who do or have worked in the department". Then you said you saw it after he "already had it written" and just ran it by you...like you were his editor or something. I get the guy's your friend and you wanted to promote his blog, but his "story" (your words in the title of this thread until you likely change it with your admin privileges), was a fluff piece that has less analysis than we have on here. I wasn't the only one to criticize this but you came after me and kept defending it. I've heard the questions he asks in pressers. They are softballs with no follow-up. It's OK to say the content of the link you posted sucks. |
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