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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 8, 2024 12:24:27 GMT -5
The line moved like 8 points in a half of day vs UAB. The Owls lost by 22.
We lost to this dogshit team. Somebody's on the take.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 8, 2024 12:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Mar 8, 2024 12:54:55 GMT -5
No idea what's going on here, but I wonder how regulators are going to figure out the line between throwing a game versus insider info like knowing guys are sick/hungover/miserable/quit.
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Post by giveansk1 on Mar 8, 2024 13:07:00 GMT -5
There might be something here or they might have just quit. Not uncommon for bad teams to get blown out. Bettors can recognize a team has quit or become aware of something behind the scenes and hammer action against them.
The previous game cited where there was such line movement against Temple, they covered. Don't let this distract you from the fact that Temple stinks this year and that has been obvious since La Salle lost to them.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 8, 2024 13:24:52 GMT -5
That first part is what I mean. 10 years ago I don't think Vegas lines move on a whisper out of Temple University. Now that anyone can bet (and that some can blindly jump the trend assuming something is there) and assuming its easier to move a line like Temple versus the NFL because of the lack of money, its seems like there are going to be some wrong guesses at fixing versus insider knowledge.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 8, 2024 13:33:50 GMT -5
There might be something here or they might have just quit. Not uncommon for bad teams to get blown out. Bettors can recognize a team has quit or become aware of something behind the scenes and hammer action against them. The previous game cited where there was such line movement against Temple, they covered. Don't let this distract you from the fact that Temple stinks this year and that has been obvious since La Salle lost to them. When a line moves 8 points, without injuries or illness, and like mass ones at that, and the bet still wins by like 15 points, something funny is happening. It wasn't an off night. |
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Post by giveansk1 on Mar 8, 2024 13:44:39 GMT -5
There might be something here or they might have just quit. Not uncommon for bad teams to get blown out. Bettors can recognize a team has quit or become aware of something behind the scenes and hammer action against them. The previous game cited where there was such line movement against Temple, they covered. Don't let this distract you from the fact that Temple stinks this year and that has been obvious since La Salle lost to them. When a line moves 8 points, without injuries or illness, and like mass ones at that, and the bet still wins by like 15 points, something funny is happening. It wasn't an off night. Maybe, maybe not. The Memphis game had wild line move yet Temple covered the number. Books are not taking as much action on Temple UAB as they are a Kansas Duke game so heavy action may swing the line more if books are not taking a position. We don't have the facts is the whole point I am trying to make and Pat Forde only cares about clicks. We will probably get more facts if we are patient and see how this plays out. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 8, 2024 13:50:41 GMT -5
When a line moves 8 points, without injuries or illness, and like mass ones at that, and the bet still wins by like 15 points, something funny is happening. It wasn't an off night. Teams get blown out all the time. Anyone know what the projected lines were from kenpom or whoever? Like if it should have been 4.5 but was 2, that's kinda in the range of overcorrection if all the money is on one side? |
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 8, 2024 13:59:05 GMT -5
It will take just one person to take a deal to expose everything. Surprised this doesn't happen more often in today environment with betting.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 8, 2024 14:33:14 GMT -5
When a line moves 8 points, without injuries or illness, and like mass ones at that, and the bet still wins by like 15 points, something funny is happening. It wasn't an off night. Teams get blown out all the time. Anyone know what the projected lines were from kenpom or whoever? Like if it should have been 4.5 but was 2, that's kinda in the range of overcorrection if all the money is on one side? Temple went 2-11-1 vs. the spread between December and February. Alot of smoke not to be any fire. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 8, 2024 14:33:58 GMT -5
When a line moves 8 points, without injuries or illness, and like mass ones at that, and the bet still wins by like 15 points, something funny is happening. It wasn't an off night. Maybe, maybe not. The Memphis game had wild line move yet Temple covered the number. Books are not taking as much action on Temple UAB as they are a Kansas Duke game so heavy action may swing the line more if books are not taking a position. We don't have the facts is the whole point I am trying to make and Pat Forde only cares about clicks. We will probably get more facts if we are patient and see how this plays out. I misspoke. UAB beat Temple by 28 that night, 100-72. |
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Post by stlexplorer on Mar 8, 2024 15:47:51 GMT -5
Cue the shaving points rollouts for next year
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Post by 1863 on Mar 8, 2024 17:34:42 GMT -5
WOW! This is a stunner for me.
I don't bet games or watch lines like so many on here do; so they're a lot more sophisticated about this than I am.
The accusation alone is going to put a cloud over Temple for some time in the near future. If there is substance to the suspicions, it's going to be a dagger to the heart of the entire university image.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 8, 2024 17:58:20 GMT -5
They give these kids schollies….they have padded this with generous NIL arrangements…and kids still shave points!?! Possibly, there is some blackmail involved. Ridiculous…
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 8, 2024 18:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 8, 2024 18:41:37 GMT -5
Cue the shaving points rollouts for next year temple might not be playing basketball next year |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 8, 2024 19:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 8, 2024 19:48:24 GMT -5
Something suspicious going on doesn’t automatically mean it’s players shaving points. There’s plenty of other possibilities.
I’ve personally had an assfull of sports gambling these last few years. Not saying it should be illegal or that people shouldn’t do it, I just wish it wasn’t so pervasive in every aspect of trying to watch or follow sports in 2024.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 8, 2024 20:39:28 GMT -5
It all fell apart when the leagues started to become partners. All of a sudden the interests became blurred.
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Post by roaddog77 on Mar 8, 2024 20:39:52 GMT -5
In my opinion, we can’t blame Temple and other universities for allegedly point shaving. If you want blame someone, blame the NCAA and the government for legalizing sports betting. College sports is turning in to a professional leagues. When sports betting was legalized every player was fair game to shave points for money. It will be more teams with players might want to shave points for money.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 8, 2024 20:40:47 GMT -5
I think you're wrong. If players shaved points, I'll blame them. Point shaving isn't a thing that happens in the pro leagues at some greater number. You're drawing conclusions based on connections that aren't there.
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Post by mookie on Mar 8, 2024 21:13:20 GMT -5
Whatever…I missed because of the over/under with that game. Messed up my parlay.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 8, 2024 21:39:06 GMT -5
I've been doing this a long time, since my freshman year in Neumann. More than half of my life. While I'm happy that I don't have to worry about somebody stiffing my wife's cousin who's a bookie, and either me paying him or guys looking for the poor degenerates, the leagues shouldn't be in bed with the books. There should be a separation of church and state.
When I have the Clippers -3 vs the Lakers last week in a 5 team parlay, and they go from being up by 21 in the 4th to losing the game by 4, there's something screwy there, and it's not just giving LeBron open looks from 3, allowing him to make 7 in the quarter.
This shit can and does happen. The Donaghy scandal proved this 15 years ago. Temple has been under Vegas's eye all season. It wasn't me knowing that Ruben Guillandeaux didn't match up well against Juan Fernandez and Temple and leaving mad river Manayunk on a Sunday evening, going to Gola wrecked, and betting Temple -4 for 500 bucks... when I rarely bet a game for more than 200.
This was WWE and Vince Mcmahon. Sports need to be on the up and up. The integrity of the game, particularly when games are legally wagered upon, is paramount. Under no circumstance is point shaving or fixing games ok... and I'm the biggest degenerate on this board.
It's also why I think Pete Rose should be banned for life. Fuck him.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 8, 2024 21:46:58 GMT -5
Just looked at the box score of that game... temple only won by 7. I was so wrecked, I wasn't worried at all about La Salle covering the 4 or 5.
I may have won a bunch on the Eagles over the vikings when they had trevarious Jackson as QB. I believe it was the same Sunday. I don't know what I was thinking.
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Post by giveansk1 on Mar 9, 2024 8:19:23 GMT -5
Jay Kornegay, the race and sports manager at Westgate Las Vegas, said once the line reached 7, the money was even on both sides, typically an indication a game is on the level.
Oddly enough, although it seems fishy, and likely, that lots of wagers were placed on UAB ahead of the game to dramatically change the spread, Kornegay said he "didn't see anything suspicious."
"We looked at it closely to monitor any type of injury late," Kornegay said of the Temple-UAB game. "But when we looked at the box score, everyone played. It's a big move and that's not normal, but we didn't see anything suspicious."
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 9, 2024 11:43:21 GMT -5
You would have to nuts to think you could get away with a point shaving thing these days. Sports gambling is so completely transparent. The whole reason to shave points was to help a gambler win without adjusting the odds and nobody knowing what happened. Now anyone can find these odds within seconds. Odds being shifted so fast like that on a game without a lot of interest feels like someone bet an outsized amount of money on a game where no one was betting a lot of money.
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Post by glorydays on Mar 10, 2024 21:42:03 GMT -5
It all started at Temple when Dunph shaved his mustache.
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 11, 2024 6:38:45 GMT -5
You would have to nuts to think you could get away with a point shaving thing these days. Sports gambling is so completely transparent. The whole reason to shave points was to help a gambler win without adjusting the odds and nobody knowing what happened. Now anyone can find these odds within seconds. Odds being shifted so fast like that on a game without a lot of interest feels like someone bet an outsized amount of money on a game where no one was betting a lot of money. Apparently the game vs UAB isn't the only game with "Unusual betting patterns" involving Temple. So, if you got away with it the first time, then a second time...you're going to keep on doing it. Especially when there is money involved. Where there is smoke.... I originally thought Joe was a bit over-reactive when mentioning firings and no BB program next year. Not so much anymore. |
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Post by weston2 on Mar 12, 2024 6:38:37 GMT -5
Cue the shaving points rollouts for next year temple might not be playing basketball next year Damn football program, another one bites the dust😁......need $$$ for that stadium. LOL😁 |
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Post by giveansk1 on Mar 16, 2024 3:12:53 GMT -5
Temple is 4-0 since the “story” broke. 2 wins from stealing a bid.
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