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Post by 1801olney on Feb 26, 2024 14:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by giveansk1 on Feb 26, 2024 14:41:32 GMT -5
I love how the MAC is like an old school little B1G, but this doesn't help. From a basketball perspective there is a big difference between a 1 bid league and not. Is the A-10 going to be multi bid league in a few years? Obviously this is a move for football and for that side its cool but probably not cool enough to make this decision.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 26, 2024 14:42:40 GMT -5
Fucking ponderous. UMass football is not going to be a thing. This didn't work for UConn or Temple, who ended up in far better conferences than the MAC. Closest team to them is going to be Buffalo. Hope those Wednesday night ESPN games against Akron are worth it.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 26, 2024 14:54:51 GMT -5
One of the founding members of the conference in 1976 and the only current member other than GW to have been in it the whole time. Duquesne was a founding member but left for 1 year to be in the MCC before rejoining the A10.
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Post by giveansk1 on Feb 26, 2024 14:55:16 GMT -5
Curious if this will impact UMass involvement in the A-10 tournament? I think it's crappy to do that to the kids but it has happened a few times.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 26, 2024 15:03:15 GMT -5
Good. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of the Atlantic 10.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 26, 2024 15:08:57 GMT -5
Was wondering if other football schools will follow suit. Richmond next perhaps?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 26, 2024 15:17:39 GMT -5
Was wondering if other football schools will follow suit. Richmond next perhaps? Richmond and URI are in the CAA for Football. Fordham is in the Patriot league. I could see both of those first two jumping all in in the CAA if there was a benefit to it. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 26, 2024 15:22:52 GMT -5
Was wondering if other football schools will follow suit. Richmond next perhaps? Richmond and URI are in the CAA for Football. Fordham is in the Patriot league. I could see both of those first two jumping all in in the CAA if there was a benefit to it. Those aren’t FBS Conferences though. Unlikely anyone is leaving the A-10 due to FCS Conference alignment. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 26, 2024 16:27:05 GMT -5
This is true. Richmond football is good enough to move up. Don’t think the other two are.
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Post by calsufan on Feb 26, 2024 18:37:33 GMT -5
The powers to be at UMass are utter morons. UMass football has never been relevant and will continue to be irrelevant going forward. As theneumann64 pointed out in an earlier post, it hasn't worked out for other Northeast schools and it will not work out for UMass. They may as well just take all the money for football and burn in a bonfire every year as that's pretty much what they'll be doing with this move. What a bunch of idiots.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 26, 2024 19:09:20 GMT -5
The powers to be at UMass are utter morons. UMass football has never been relevant and will continue to be irrelevant going forward. As theneumann64 pointed out in an earlier post, it hasn't worked out for other Northeast schools and it will not work out for UMass. They may as well just take all the money for football and burn in a bonfire every year as that's pretty much what they'll be doing with this move. What a bunch of idiots. They had a pretty good thing going in FCS. Seemed like they were hitting their ceiling in terms of potential as a program. Instead of being content with that, they made an ill-advised leap to FBS, go 2-10 every year as an independent (I’ve watched Army beat the shit out of them a few times) and now are screwing their basketball programs to join a conference with some decent programs (for what they are) but is a terrible fit geographically, and is most well known for playing all their games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights once mid-October rolls around |
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 26, 2024 22:17:54 GMT -5
Good. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of the Atlantic 10. Do you want the A10 to end? Curious comment |
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 26, 2024 22:55:31 GMT -5
Off they would join a conf with the MAC geography.
I wonder if Frank Martin will stay with this move.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 26, 2024 23:08:48 GMT -5
The powers to be at UMass are utter morons. UMass football has never been relevant and will continue to be irrelevant going forward. As theneumann64 pointed out in an earlier post, it hasn't worked out for other Northeast schools and it will not work out for UMass. They may as well just take all the money for football and burn in a bonfire every year as that's pretty much what they'll be doing with this move. What a bunch of idiots. They had a pretty good thing going in FCS. Seemed like they were hitting their ceiling in terms of potential as a program. Instead of being content with that, they made an ill-advised leap to FBS, go 2-10 every year as an independent (I’ve watched Army beat the shit out of them a few times) and now are screwing their basketball programs to join a conference with some decent programs (for what they are) but is a terrible fit geographically, and is most well known for playing all their games on Tuesday and Wednesday nights once mid-October rolls around Yeah very silly and short-sighted. A state-school that feels left out. So they want to join the party.. In the end, it is silly… Going to kill their other programs because recruits are not going to want to go to a school where the footprint is not logical.. Look at Temple basketball.. MAC is not the A-10 for basketball. The last 20 years it hasn’t been close. So they will leave and it will set up an A-10 pick up of CoC as they will be very glad to make the jump up. And frankly wanted to come hard with Davidson made the jump to A-10 |
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Post by talkinbball on Feb 26, 2024 23:09:47 GMT -5
So....UMASS has football!?! Whoda thunk it?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 27, 2024 5:43:28 GMT -5
Good. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of the Atlantic 10. Do you want the A10 to end? Curious comment I don’t like the A10 for La Salle or like six other schools in it. |
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Post by glorydays on Feb 27, 2024 7:16:34 GMT -5
In my fantasy world, I was hoping that UMass would work with Delaware, UConn, RI, Maine, Richmond, Nova, Towson and maybe Temple to reconstitute the old Yankee Conference as a D1 FB Conference...and have the other sports in the current conferences. Who knows? Maybe they could do this as a Division within the MAC FB conference. Now, the MAC has Buffalo and UMass....interesting but I don't like it...
I am still trying to wrap my head around why Delaware would join C-USA for all sports. Crazy..
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Post by coachd on Feb 27, 2024 10:03:08 GMT -5
Positive note: LaSalle will save on the travel budget for sure.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 27, 2024 10:03:18 GMT -5
I don’t like the A10 for La Salle or like six other schools in it. Individual reasons or you'd like a conference that was La Salle + those six and a few others like us? |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 27, 2024 10:49:55 GMT -5
I don’t like the A10 for La Salle or like six other schools in it. Individual reasons or you'd like a conference that was La Salle + those six and a few others like us? I think the reasoning for a lot of the schools should be the same. The travel for the teams is too much and the benefit from basketball money is not great enough. The delta between Dayton/VCU and La Salle is too great. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 27, 2024 10:53:05 GMT -5
I'm speculating there's more football money from being tied into the MAC than basketball money for UMass in the A10. If you consider both to be 1-bid basketball leagues at this point, football will reign supreme. When we were a 3 or 4 big league, that probably wasn't the case, but the world has shifted.
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 27, 2024 11:11:05 GMT -5
I'm speculating there's more football money from being tied into the MAC than basketball money for UMass in the A10. If you consider both to be 1-bid basketball leagues at this point, football will reign supreme. When we were a 3 or 4 big league, that probably wasn't the case, but the world has shifted. This is probably their thinking, I just think it's built on the notion that joining the MAC is going to significantly boost their football program and I have some serious doubts about that. |
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Post by explorerman on Feb 27, 2024 17:01:15 GMT -5
I'm speculating there's more football money from being tied into the MAC than basketball money for UMass in the A10. If you consider both to be 1-bid basketball leagues at this point, football will reign supreme. When we were a 3 or 4 big league, that probably wasn't the case, but the world has shifted. This is probably their thinking, I just think it's built on the notion that joining the MAC is going to significantly boost their football program and I have some serious doubts about that. The delta between MAC football and SEC/Big 10 is even bigger than La Salle and Dayton basketball.. You talking about 7 players vs 60 players that really play I agree Neumann it is seriously poor decision that will have negative ramifications across the board. They are going to less TV airtime with this move which is where the benefit is to schools “free advertising”.. MAC does not have any major bball agreements and the way that FBS/NCAA is moving the MAC schools are not going to want to commit to paying each student athlete (rev and non rev a min $$$).. which means in 24-36 months the MAC will be downgraded to the 2nd tier. So the end the result for UMASS is non relevant football and basketball programs. At least with A-10 basketball you know if you have a good team you could Friday night ESPN/2 game or ESPNU Saturday or USA Network Sunday or CBS come tournament time MAC has none of those outside of semi and final of conference tourney Spending more to get less is silly.. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 27, 2024 17:53:41 GMT -5
I also don’t even think they’re going to be good in the MAC. I could see (although not necessarily agree with) their calculations if it resulted in finishing high up in the MAC every year, but it’s not going to.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 27, 2024 18:09:05 GMT -5
I also don’t even think they’re going to be good in the MAC. I could see (although not necessarily agree with) their calculations if it resulted in finishing high up in the MAC every year, but it’s not going to. Wife corrected me that MAC has a Thursday night game on ESPN/2 for 2 more seasons So UMASS is trading several chances for cable TV games for 1 chance.. It will cost them more money in operations and possibly even more in NIL if the FBS sets a minimum floor for each student athlete. Again of which at least half of MAC would not go for and frankly neither would UMASS even with their state school status. So they would end up in a newly created second division for their troubles. There are a couple on the UMASS bball roster that would be nice to get when they transfer this offseason thinking Cohen as he has 1 year left.. Wonder what he would cost for his COVID redshirt 5th year? |
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 27, 2024 19:45:21 GMT -5
Maybe we get Bradley to replace UMass
No footballl, 65 net
And maybe locks in St. Louis, Dayton
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 27, 2024 20:37:29 GMT -5
I also don’t even think they’re going to be good in the MAC. I could see (although not necessarily agree with) their calculations if it resulted in finishing high up in the MAC every year, but it’s not going to. As of July 2023, the Mid-American Conference (MAC) and ESPN have a contract that runs through at least 2026. The contract pays each of the 12 MAC football schools at least $1 million per year. According to Google AI. This is the reason. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 27, 2024 20:48:52 GMT -5
I also don’t even think they’re going to be good in the MAC. I could see (although not necessarily agree with) their calculations if it resulted in finishing high up in the MAC every year, but it’s not going to. As of July 2023, the Mid-American Conference (MAC) and ESPN have a contract that runs through at least 2026. The contract pays each of the 12 MAC football schools at least $1 million per year. According to Google AI. This is the reason. What's the A10 TV contact pay? |
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Post by explorerman on Feb 27, 2024 22:32:29 GMT -5
Maybe we get Bradley to replace UMass No footballl, 65 net And maybe locks in St. Louis, Dayton Interesting I don’t recall Bradley ever beingseriously mentioned in any round of A-10 expansions over the 12-13 years. A-10 in good spot to get a good basketball program. There will plenty of interested schools banging down the door. Considering history still think CoC is the odds favorite. Mutual interest in the past. Wealthy school at a nice location. A school focused on basketball. Etc etc |
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