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Post by coachd on Feb 19, 2024 13:29:47 GMT -5
Possibly the firing of G??? I believe the first time I had this thought was upon Blitz Wooten's totally bogus technical foul that got us bounced from the the MCC tournament around '93 or so. So, yeah, I've had this hunch for most of 30 years now. I remember, he smacked the back support under the basket out of frustration. No one before or since was T'd up for something similar. Even the opposing fans were like WTF just happened. I blame Mullin for putting us in the MCC and starting football again... he hurt the school and our basketball program. |
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 19, 2024 15:20:20 GMT -5
I believe the first time I had this thought was upon Blitz Wooten's totally bogus technical foul that got us bounced from the the MCC tournament around '93 or so. So, yeah, I've had this hunch for most of 30 years now. I remember, he smacked the back support under the basket out of frustration. No one before or since was T'd up for something similar. Even the opposing fans were like WTF just happened. I blame Mullin for putting us in the MCC and starting football again... he hurt the school and our basketball program. I do not agree with blaming Bob Mullin. If you recall the MCC was to have an east and a west. The east was to include us, Fordham, St. Joe and I do not recall who else. At the last moment Fordham and St. Joe backed out, went to the A10 and we were stuck. Also from my conversations he wanted to part company with Speedy long before they finally did. The administration and Gola would not let him. It was not his coaching ability it was sticking to the old ways of recruiting so the talent dropped off. As to football the thought was that there were a lot of guys who played in high school and wanted to continue to play. We did not provide scholarships so they all paid their own way and we would pick up students who would have gone elsewhere. That is all my recollection from back then. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 19, 2024 16:03:35 GMT -5
I remember, he smacked the back support under the basket out of frustration. No one before or since was T'd up for something similar. Even the opposing fans were like WTF just happened. I blame Mullin for putting us in the MCC and starting football again... he hurt the school and our basketball program. I do not agree with blaming Bob Mullin. If you recall the MCC was to have an east and a west. The east was to include us, Fordham, St. Joe and I do not recall who else. At the last moment Fordham and St. Joe backed out, went to the A10 and we were stuck. Also from my conversations he wanted to part company with Speedy long before they finally did. The administration and Gola would not let him. It was not his coaching ability it was sticking to the old ways of recruiting so the talent dropped off. As to football the thought was that there were a lot of guys who played in high school and wanted to continue to play. We did not provide scholarships so they all paid their own way and we would pick up students who would have gone elsewhere. That is all my recollection from back then. st joe's (pa) never considered leaving the a10 for the mcc. you're confusing them with duquesne. them and fordham backed out. duquesne stayed in the a10 and fordham stayed in the maac. dayton also bailed out and joined the great midwest. what was appalling about that was dayton's head coach (former hawk jimmy o'brien) got the whole thing rolling and sold speedy on it. there was also chatter about notre dame joining this conference and being in the west division but i put as much creedence in that as i did that kobe was going to end up here. that's my recollection of that whopper of a mistake. lesson learned : never trust a st joe's (pa) hawk. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 19, 2024 16:11:13 GMT -5
The word on campus at the time when I was a student there (we switched to the MCC my junior year) was that entire thing was spearheaded by Ray Heath who at the time was VP of Student Affairs (I believe at that time Athletics reported into him and not the President), and was done so he could engineer trips out to see his daughter who was a swimmer for Notre Dame and later an assistant coach. Notre Dame was a part of the conference for everything except basketball and football where they remained independent for both.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 19, 2024 17:46:15 GMT -5
It was not his coaching ability it was sticking to the old ways of recruiting so the talent dropped off. Not disputing this, but as someone who came on in 1996 its always weird to see the older guys frequently refer to it. Aside from maybe the tourney team, I don't remember rooting for a squad with talent anywhere close to Donnie/Victor/Rasual/K'Zell. |
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 19, 2024 18:59:13 GMT -5
It was not his coaching ability it was sticking to the old ways of recruiting so the talent dropped off. Not disputing this, but as someone who came on in 1996 its always weird to see the older guys frequently refer to it. Aside from maybe the tourney team, I don't remember rooting for a squad with talent anywhere close to Donnie/Victor/Rasual/K'Zell. If I remember correctly you can add Julian Blanks and this was a nice 5 man squad but no depth at all beyond the 5. This handicapped that team. They were warriors. The Team also had some significant defensive deficits IMO. Loved those guys though. |
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Post by MisterD on Feb 19, 2024 19:49:05 GMT -5
Yes on Julian and yes, the defensive side could absolutely be where I have a memory gap.
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Post by hoopsguest on Feb 19, 2024 20:21:11 GMT -5
Brennan was AD in 1999 when Speedy’s contract expired. He didn’t want to give him a new deal but Giordano was an interim president and Gola threw a fit
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Post by explorerman on Feb 20, 2024 7:06:28 GMT -5
Brennan was AD in 1999 when Speedy’s contract expired. He didn’t want to give him a new deal but Giordano was an interim president and Gola threw a fit Can’t forget about John Shea either Boy, you forgot how bad Burke and Shea were during the 90s |
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Post by coachd on Feb 20, 2024 11:06:31 GMT -5
I do not agree with blaming Bob Mullin. If you recall the MCC was to have an east and a west. The east was to include us, Fordham, St. Joe and I do not recall who else. At the last moment Fordham and St. Joe backed out, went to the A10 and we were stuck. Also from my conversations he wanted to part company with Speedy long before they finally did. The administration and Gola would not let him. It was not his coaching ability it was sticking to the old ways of recruiting so the talent dropped off. As to football the thought was that there were a lot of guys who played in high school and wanted to continue to play. We did not provide scholarships so they all paid their own way and we would pick up students who would have gone elsewhere. That is all my recollection from back then. st joe's (pa) never considered leaving the a10 for the mcc. you're confusing them with duquesne. them and fordham backed out. duquesne stayed in the a10 and fordham stayed in the maac. dayton also bailed out and joined the great midwest. what was appalling about that was dayton's head coach (former hawk jimmy o'brien) got the whole thing rolling and sold speedy on it. there was also chatter about notre dame joining this conference and being in the west division but i put as much creedence in that as i did that kobe was going to end up here. that's my recollection of that whopper of a mistake. lesson learned : never trust a st joe's (pa) hawk. That is correct. Dayton, Duquesne and Fordham... those programs hurt us and left us on an athletics island to die for 3 years until the A10 expanded, by then though a lot of damage was done to our hoops program. We had no natural rivals in the MCC and it hurt our recruiting efforts as well as our travel budget. Those were not the good old days. |
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 20, 2024 14:00:48 GMT -5
Is there any word on what happened to Marrero and his status for tomorrow?
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Post by 23won on Feb 20, 2024 14:06:35 GMT -5
Speedy wasn't exactly lighting up recruiting in the years before we joined the MCC.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 20, 2024 15:02:35 GMT -5
Speedy wasn't exactly lighting up recruiting in the years before we joined the MCC. I think he recruited fine up until we joined the MCC. I will say he was hurt by departures as we exited the MAAC for the MCC. Blitz Wooten Terquin Mott Quincy Lee Luteke Kalombo Derrick Newton All were guys that left prior to or early in the MCC tenure that hurt Speedy and the program. He also had a big problem with recruits that he could not get academically eligible. |
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 20, 2024 16:57:05 GMT -5
Is there any word on what happened to Marrero and his status for tomorrow? Not that I heard. Jolly asked many questions but failed to ask that in fran’s press conference on Sat. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 22, 2024 9:15:57 GMT -5
Is there any word on what happened to Marrero and his status for tomorrow? He was in street clothes last night for the Bonnies game. Someone near me said they thought he might be out for the season, but who knows. I don't see him listed on any of the injuries sites setup for betting purposes. |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 22, 2024 12:39:32 GMT -5
Is there any word on what happened to Marrero and his status for tomorrow? He was in street clothes last night for the Bonnies game. Someone near me said they thought he might be out for the season, but who knows. I don't see him listed on any of the injuries sites setup for betting purposes. Kale said on the broadcast last night Marerro will return soon. |
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Post by bigjohnny2 on Feb 22, 2024 13:36:46 GMT -5
Speedy wasn't exactly lighting up recruiting in the years before we joined the MCC. I think he recruited fine up until we joined the MCC. I will say he was hurt by departures as we exited the MAAC for the MCC. Blitz Wooten Terquin Mott Quincy Lee Luteke Kalombo Derrick Newton All were guys that left prior to or early in the MCC tenure that hurt Speedy and the program. He also had a big problem with recruits that he could not get academically eligible. Lamont Carter - was Connecticut PoY. Had one big game for the Explorers and I think transferred to Hartford. |
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Post by calsufan on Feb 22, 2024 14:42:45 GMT -5
He was in street clothes last night for the Bonnies game. Someone near me said they thought he might be out for the season, but who knows. I don't see him listed on any of the injuries sites setup for betting purposes. Kale said on the broadcast last night Marerro will return soon. Last night, he was limping around without crutches before the game. After the game he was on crutches. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 22, 2024 15:41:34 GMT -5
Kale said on the broadcast last night Marerro will return soon. Last night, he was limping around without crutches before the game. After the game he was on crutches. yeah. I don't think you go from crutches to returning soon with only 4 regular season games left. |
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 22, 2024 16:24:58 GMT -5
Last night, he was limping around without crutches before the game. After the game he was on crutches. yeah. I don't think you go from crutches to returning soon with only 4 regular season games left. Hey Paul Pierce once left in a wheelchair |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 22, 2024 16:26:00 GMT -5
Last night, he was limping around without crutches before the game. After the game he was on crutches. yeah. I don't think you go from crutches to returning soon with only 4 regular season games left. If we can't trust Kale who can we trust? |
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 22, 2024 16:26:05 GMT -5
yeah. I don't think you go from crutches to returning soon with only 4 regular season games left. Hey Paul Pierce once left in a wheelchair And he acted like he was going to need one every time anyone got anywhere near him. (Fuck Paul Pierce). |
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Post by MisterD on Feb 22, 2024 16:32:07 GMT -5
Neumann Benzino.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 22, 2024 19:51:25 GMT -5
Last night, he was limping around without crutches before the game. After the game he was on crutches. yeah. I don't think you go from crutches to returning soon with only 4 regular season games left. when anwar hurt his ankle, he was only expected to miss one game but ended up being out for four. you just never know with these lower body injuries. no need to rush andres back as he's been struggling lately. the rest and healing might do him some good. the team was able to win the last two games with him not contributing. obviously you still want him available, but for now his minutes can get split amongst anwar, tunde and ryan. then he can come back healthy and rested and be a weapon in the a10 tournament. |
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 23, 2024 10:56:02 GMT -5
yeah. I don't think you go from crutches to returning soon with only 4 regular season games left. when anwar hurt his ankle, he was only expected to miss one game but ended up being out for four. you just never know with these lower body injuries. no need to rush andres back as he's been struggling lately. the rest and healing might do him some good. the team was able to win the last two games with him not contributing. obviously you still want him available, but for now his minutes can get split amongst anwar, tunde and ryan. then he can come back healthy and rested and be a weapon in the a10 tournament. In general, I am trying to factor in more the injury situation with guys as I try to get a bead on what guys can do. With Jocious and Anwar, it looks like injuries have hampered their game during the season as they returned to play. This is not always easy to do though. |
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