MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Feb 5, 2024 21:57:45 GMT -5
Any presentation of the cause/effect being “more threes -> losses” and not “trailing -> more 3s” is disingenuous or very shallow analysis/understanding of data. It’s like asking why a team down three scores got away from the run.
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Post by kinesiology on Feb 5, 2024 22:31:33 GMT -5
Good Lord, this might be the dumbest thread ever.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 6:02:36 GMT -5
Good Lord, this might be the dumbest thread ever. Lot of other places you could be homie |
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Post by theneumann64 on Feb 6, 2024 9:21:07 GMT -5
Seriously, its a discussion about basketball strategy on a basketball message board. It's actually a lot more focused and on topic than threads here usually are. What exactly is the problem?
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Post by las71 on Feb 6, 2024 9:25:42 GMT -5
Seriously, its a discussion about basketball strategy on a basketball message board. It's actually a lot more focused and on topic than threads here usually are. What exactly is the problem? Frankly this is the one thread where to some extent everyone has been right. Pointing out our weaknesses isn't that difficult although I feel bad when we criticize these kids because they do play hard. |
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Post by kinesiology on Feb 6, 2024 9:44:26 GMT -5
The simplistic premise of “shoot more 3s”, which sounds like something a couple of 12 year olds would propose, followed by the refusal to consider data that shows it wouldn’t work anyway, doesn’t seem to me to rise to the level of a discussion of basketball strategy.
Sorry, my opinion.
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Feb 6, 2024 9:45:49 GMT -5
There's been an entire baseball revolution that could be boiled down to equally simplistic "hit more homeruns" and "strike everyone out".
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 6, 2024 10:17:21 GMT -5
There's been an entire baseball revolution that could be boiled down to equally simplistic "hit more homeruns" and "strike everyone out". But MLB is doing close to everything it can to get away that "game of 3 outcomes." |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2024 10:25:02 GMT -5
Any presentation of the cause/effect being “more threes -> losses” and not “trailing -> more 3s” is disingenuous or very shallow analysis/understanding of data. It’s like asking why a team down three scores got away from the run. Exactly, which is why in the discussion, people who understand basketball mentioned fewer trips to the line, not getting the opposing team in foul trouble (people complain on here almost every game about the foul shot disparity), opponents extending their defenses out, tired legs late in the game, and making the 3s tougher as we become one-dimensional, etc. No one arguing the "fewer 3s" point tied it to one thing. Maybe "trailing" is because we took too many low percentage 3s and fell behind giving up transition baskets on long rebounds and did all these other things that made the 3s easy to defend. This all stemmed from Joe's comment that we would've beaten Rhode Island if we had taken more 3s - because...that's logical for a team that is 2nd in the conference in 3 point attempts and 14th in percentage. Maybe we can have a goal of making it to 1st in 3 point attempts. Then he doubled down on it presenting a case the likes of which has not been seen since the analysis of the Zapruder film for the 25 people left who actually pay attention to this team, then got annoyed when someone tried to take the thread in another direction about fundraising (because every thread here stays exactly on point). I'm sure Fran's staff logged onto this thread and though, "huh...he's right...we've been around basketball all our lives, but seeing these screenshots makes it all clear what we need to do now. How come we didn't think of that? Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...forty 3s a game gets us the A10 championship." |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 10:42:51 GMT -5
Wonder if they were like ‘14th when we were picked 15th #winning’
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 6, 2024 10:47:36 GMT -5
Until Khalil takes the ball stronger inside and doesn’t become an acrobat and throw up a wild shot, until Daeshon tries to dunk the ball and get fouled everytime he gets close instead of contorting his body and throwing it up, until Anwar rediscovers his automatic left hand shot in the lane, I think more 3 balls is warranted. Only Jhamir knows how to score down low, which is sad considering he’s under 6’. We don’t give the refs a reason to blow the whistle.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 6, 2024 11:04:10 GMT -5
Any presentation of the cause/effect being “more threes -> losses” and not “trailing -> more 3s” is disingenuous or very shallow analysis/understanding of data. It’s like asking why a team down three scores got away from the run. This all stemmed from Joe's comment that we would've beaten Rhode Island if we had taken more 3s - because...that's logical for a team that is 2nd in the conference in 3 point attempts and 14th in percentage. i get your point but for accuracy's sake, la salle is 11th in the conference in 3 pt percentage atlantic10.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023#team-stats |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 6, 2024 11:06:25 GMT -5
The simplistic premise of “shoot more 3s”, which sounds like something a couple of 12 year olds would propose, followed by the refusal to consider data that shows it wouldn’t work anyway, doesn’t seem to me to rise to the level of a discussion of basketball strategy. Sorry, my opinion. hey, at least he didn't call you a clown.  |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 11:34:35 GMT -5
In all seriousness now. The idea that the team should shoot more threes because they shoot a lot of bad twos is not a crazy notion. Considering it a crazy notion in favor of a "just play better" philosophy isn't fair to the discourse.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 6, 2024 11:35:20 GMT -5
This all stemmed from Joe's comment that we would've beaten Rhode Island if we had taken more 3s - because...that's logical for a team that is 2nd in the conference in 3 point attempts and 14th in percentage. We're 14th in 2 point FG% too. |
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 6, 2024 11:49:54 GMT -5
This all stemmed from Joe's comment that we would've beaten Rhode Island if we had taken more 3s - because...that's logical for a team that is 2nd in the conference in 3 point attempts and 14th in percentage. We're 14th in 2 point FG% too. This make sense because we take tough 2 point shots. Other than Rokas when he gets a feed from usually Brickus no one else gets to the rim except Brickus himself. You can throw in a Shepherd dunk but that is few and far between. We almost always never get easy shots at the rim. We don't have enough players that can do this. Over the summer I mentioned one of our issues is we don't have guys than can break down their man to get a bucket. This has been a La Salle issue since joining the A-10. I see the top A-10 program always seem to have these guys. When we had 3 guys who could do it in the program at the same time we went to the Sweet 16. St. Joe's have a bunch. I think they don't do it enough and that is why the lose game they should but they have more guys capable of doing it. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2024 11:53:40 GMT -5
This all stemmed from Joe's comment that we would've beaten Rhode Island if we had taken more 3s - because...that's logical for a team that is 2nd in the conference in 3 point attempts and 14th in percentage. i get your point but for accuracy's sake, la salle is 11th in the conference in 3 pt percentage atlantic10.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023#team-statsI was looking at conference-only stats, not the whole season since that's our barometer. Link below allows you to see the breakdown of 2 and 3% by conference-only along with opponents. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/la-salle/men/2024.html |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2024 11:57:20 GMT -5
This all stemmed from Joe's comment that we would've beaten Rhode Island if we had taken more 3s - because...that's logical for a team that is 2nd in the conference in 3 point attempts and 14th in percentage. We're 14th in 2 point FG% too. Yes, but we shoot those at a higher percentage (44.8% for 2s vs 32.1% for 3s in conference), draw more fouls on the opposing defense, and open up potential and-1s that we don't get with 3s (we are 15th in the conference in free throw attempts, 10th in FT%). |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2024 12:05:56 GMT -5
The simplistic premise of “shoot more 3s”, which sounds like something a couple of 12 year olds would propose, followed by the refusal to consider data that shows it wouldn’t work anyway, doesn’t seem to me to rise to the level of a discussion of basketball strategy. Sorry, my opinion. hey, at least he didn't call you a clown. He reserves that for me...but in fairness...my profile picture makes it hard to refute... |
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Post by kinesiology on Feb 6, 2024 12:07:31 GMT -5
In all seriousness now. The idea that the team should shoot more threes because they shoot a lot of bad twos is not a crazy notion. Considering it a crazy notion in favor of a "just play better" philosophy isn't fair to the discourse. Telling the team to “just play better” would be far preferable to telling the team to “just shoot more threes”. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 14:47:10 GMT -5
In all seriousness now. The idea that the team should shoot more threes because they shoot a lot of bad twos is not a crazy notion. Considering it a crazy notion in favor of a "just play better" philosophy isn't fair to the discourse. Telling the team to “just play better” would be far preferable to telling the team to “just shoot more threes”. Can't tell if you're kidding or not |
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Post by kinesiology on Feb 6, 2024 15:21:43 GMT -5
Telling the team to “just play better” would be far preferable to telling the team to “just shoot more threes”. Can't tell if you're kidding or not Sorry, not kidding. No harm would be done by the former. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 6, 2024 15:28:29 GMT -5
In all seriousness now. The idea that the team should shoot more threes because they shoot a lot of bad twos is not a crazy notion. Considering it a crazy notion in favor of a "just play better" philosophy isn't fair to the discourse. Telling the team to “just play better” would be far preferable to telling the team to “just shoot more threes”. It is basically cheerleading that point. Like a mom in the bleachers yelling at their kid, "C'Mon, you got this!" |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 15:33:17 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 15:46:11 GMT -5
We'll all operating like designing offenses to get more threes off hasn't been the general movement of college basketball for two decades.  |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2024 16:02:53 GMT -5
The shot clock went from 45 seconds to 30 seconds during this time frame, so of course more 3s have been taken...more shots overall have been taken. The major jumps in the numbers in your chart reflect the 45 to 35 to 30 changes.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 6, 2024 16:04:26 GMT -5
Are you going to make me find this for 3pt rate. Ignore anything prior to 1993 unless you’re going to nitpick the difference between 35 and 30.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 6, 2024 16:13:52 GMT -5
Are you going to make me find this for 3pt rate. Ignore anything prior to 1993 unless you’re going to nitpick the difference between 35 and 30. I'm not going to make you find anything, but to show a chart that shows how there are more 3's taken per game over the years but ignoring the fact that the shot clock went from 45 seconds at the start of your chart, to 35 seconds in the 93-94 season, to 30 seconds in the 2015-16 season (exactly the years you see some major jumps) as proof of your theory doesn't really hold water. I could show this same chart with 2-pointers taken and argue, as you said...the number of 2-pointers increased over time. Percentage of 3s made and percentage of 3s versus overall shots would be more telling metrics, but your chart is moronic if used to prove your point....it just means more shots were taken because maximum time per possession was cut by a third. You would also need to take into account the changes to the 3-point line over time since it won't be apples to apples. An article in 2020 said the 2019-20 year had the lowest 3pt % in NCAA history to that point with moving the line back. (I assume this is where your chart came from) www.si.com/college/unc/basketball/201920-ncaa-three-point-percentageor this one which shows 2 consecutive years of <34% 3pt% in 19-20 and 20-21: College Basketball Report: Three-Point Shooting is Mired in the Worst Two-Year Stretch in History
But by all means...let's shoot more 3s to win the A10 |
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Post by lasallejohn on Feb 6, 2024 19:11:10 GMT -5
Lol can’t wait to see the three point total tmw night
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 20, 2024 19:32:17 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that we shot below our season average for number of 3 point attempts on Saturday and won the game, or was it just me?
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