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Post by coachd on Dec 1, 2023 8:50:09 GMT -5
There is at least some justice this year. Villanova is playing for 5th place... Jay Wright is rolling over in his grave and he isn't even dead yet but in certain ways he wishes he were. Nova is not the same and never will be without Wright.
What really hurts is that the Explorers could have and should be facing the Hawks for the Big 5 Championship. Despite the bad officiating, the Explorers needed to just foul with under 8 seconds and up by 3 points but instead Temple got and made the 3 they needed to extend the game. The Explorers face Penn. We have to beat Penn even though ESPN and others have Penn favored.
The Hawks are the favorites over Temple after beating Nova. Temple was expecting to be here and to play Nova.
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Post by coachd on Dec 2, 2023 16:05:17 GMT -5
Nova completes the trifecta and finishes last in the new Big 5 at 0-3. Ashame the Explorers don't have the opportunity to beat them this year.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Dec 2, 2023 16:40:03 GMT -5
Temple and La Salle deserve a chance to eat...
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Post by las71 on Dec 2, 2023 21:29:45 GMT -5
Just got home from the Big 5 classic and it was a classic. Watching the end of Temple and St. Joe's and it looks like St. Joe's will win it. Despite that I think the Classic was a success. Haven't heard the attendance yet and hard to estimate since many left after their teams game ended. I suspect it was in the 12,000 neighborhood. The basketball was incredible Drexel beating Villanova and our OT win over Penn were exciting hard fought games. La Salle had a hospitality area open until the start of our game with complementary food and it was quite nice. I hope they do this again next year and would highly recommend it to everyone who enjoys Big 5 basketball. Go 'splorers!
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 2, 2023 21:44:58 GMT -5
15k tickets sold. I bet they maxed at 8000 in the building at a single point. And that’s fine. They need to stop with the schools getting a non-student allotment. Temple was selling their tickets for $150 when you can get them for $30 online. Also need a wristband system so you can leave and return cause 10 hours is a commitment when beers are $11.
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Post by FlyingArrow on Dec 2, 2023 21:56:25 GMT -5
While it might be nice to still have an annual shot at Villanova, this format is way better. Every year there will be a championship game and an undisputed winner. Can't beat that.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Dec 2, 2023 22:47:49 GMT -5
I was down there all day. Missed the La Salle hospitality thing, happy to hear about it. I saw tables with Nova and Temple merch, but nothing for anyone else. I also did not walk the entire lower bowl concourse, so could have missed the other tables.
Last game definitely had the biggest crowd. As mentioned in the another thread, 15,215 was the announced crowd, for the day.
The in-game entertainment stuff helped the atmosphere, a lot. Last game was pretty sloppy overall, but kudos to everyone running it for putting together a great day.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 3, 2023 15:28:49 GMT -5
NET ratings for this season start being posted on Monday . I'm really curious where we fall and where the other Big 5 teams land as it kicks off.
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Post by nyalum on Dec 3, 2023 21:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by las71 on Dec 4, 2023 8:05:34 GMT -5
The media keeps mentioning the number of empty seats at Wells Fargo while applauding the quality of the games. I think it was truly a tournament atmosphere with the first two games not decided until the last possession. I suspect the only school who left with nothing positive was Villanova after their shocking 0-3. Drexel got it's first big five win in a big venue over 18th ranked Nova. Penn got a floor storming win at the Palestra. La Salle had an electrifying win to finish 3rd, Temple won in triple overtime to get to the championship and St. Joe's won it. Attendance was announced as 15,125 which I think for a first time event was good. Keeping everyone especially students there for 3 full games is an unrealistic expectation. Students mostly left at the conclusion of their school's game. That will likely happen every year. Personally I thought the tournament created more excitement than the round robin and was a shot in the arm for the Big 5.
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Post by giveansk1 on Dec 4, 2023 8:30:16 GMT -5
What percentage of fans can be expected to stay for 3 full games? Less 5% is a safe bet. Many people don't even stay for two full games at the Final Four, the average fan shows up at half if they are the late game or stays until halftime of the next one if they are the early game.
I was down on the Big 5 tournament but it was a success. They could move it back to the palestra and have two tickets and have the consolation game double header and then standalone championship but that would require moving this to later in season to give time to sell tickets. They could also not gauge people for food and drink inside (Arthur Blank does this in ATL and allegedly they make more money). Neither of these suggestions are likely to transpire though so maybe they should drop ticket prices a bit or allow fans to move down seats for championship game (WVU announces this on their PA after first TV timeout).
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Post by 23won on Dec 4, 2023 9:17:29 GMT -5
No Philly based player on list. Interesting. Most our top HS players are going to big name programs outside the Big 5 and Dixon/Nova failed to make the cut. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 4, 2023 9:21:24 GMT -5
What percentage of fans can be expected to stay for 3 full games? Less 5% is a safe bet. Many people don't even stay for two full games at the Final Four, the average fan shows up at half if they are the late game or stays until halftime of the next one if they are the early game. I was down on the Big 5 tournament but it was a success. They could move it back to the palestra and have two tickets and have the consolation game double header and then standalone championship but that would require moving this to later in season to give time to sell tickets. They could also not gauge people for food and drink inside (Arthur Blank does this in ATL and allegedly they make more money). Neither of these suggestions are likely to transpire though so maybe they should drop ticket prices a bit or allow fans to move down seats for championship game (WVU announces this on their PA after first TV timeout). Yeah, a tripleheader of the top 6 teams in the country wouldn't be full throughout in an NBA sized arena. It's just not how these things work, nor should they be expected to be. That's three halftimes and 2 inter-game lulls you're sitting through. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 4, 2023 9:44:56 GMT -5
NET rankings are out. I don't get why Nova is so high, and why us and Penn are so low.
Villanova 50
St. Joe's 79
Drexel 123
Temple 171
La Salle 181
Penn 185
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 4, 2023 10:10:35 GMT -5
NET rankings are out. I don't get why Nova is so high, and why us and Penn are so low. Villanova 50 St. Joe's 79 Drexel 123 Temple 171 La Salle 181 Penn 185 Who is the best team we beat? Penn at 185 or is someone higher? I assume Drexel is so high because they beat Nova? Seems these reward teams for beating higher net ranked teams more than dinging them for losses to lower ones. If so, I assume that was on purpose to give P5 schools the advanatage. |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 4, 2023 10:26:25 GMT -5
What percentage of fans can be expected to stay for 3 full games? Less 5% is a safe bet. Many people don't even stay for two full games at the Final Four, the average fan shows up at half if they are the late game or stays until halftime of the next one if they are the early game. We had this same discussion and decided if you cut out all people who are paid to be there and scouts (who had their own ticket window), it would be way less than 5%. We got a little bit of a late start going down so we caught the end of Villanova's loss at Xfinity, went over for the La Salle game and then left right afterwards without even considering staying to watch Temple. They did a good job with the event itself but it clearly would have been better in a venue like the Palestra where the fans could have become a part of the game versus witnesses. Exceptionally weird feeling to be on the celebration side of an ending like that. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 4, 2023 10:27:05 GMT -5
Drexel at 123 is the best we've beaten. Coppin St (358) and So Indiana (333) didn't really do us any favors. Loyola Md is 321 and Lafayette is 331. Have to win those obviously. Would be nice to steal one at Miami who currently has a 63 NET.
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Post by giveansk1 on Dec 4, 2023 10:49:52 GMT -5
NET rankings are out. I don't get why Nova is so high, and why us and Penn are so low. Villanova 50 St. Joe's 79 Drexel 123 Temple 171 La Salle 181 Penn 185 Without knowing what goes into the formula its impossible to guess. I'm actually encouraged about La Salle's NET, I expected 200. Two Quad 3 wins for La Salle isn't bad at this point. |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 4, 2023 11:07:47 GMT -5
Google confirms half of it isn't public. There's a statistical component (Off and Def efficiency) but the other half is a lot of SoS + location and I assume that's kinda circular since you can't determine how good an opponent is without having a way to rank them too. It looks like they're being floated by being 3-0 in Tier 1/2 despite 0-3 in Tier 3 so I imagine they're a lot closer to dropping than they are to rising.
Unrelated, someone was saying Neptune is only on two years guaranteed which seems crazy but I have no idea. Anyone here have insight on his contract?
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Post by FlyingArrow on Dec 4, 2023 11:12:06 GMT -5
If Off and Def efficiency are part of the evaluation, can't complain about running up the score.
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Post by FlyingArrow on Dec 4, 2023 11:16:10 GMT -5
At least at this point, it seems it's largely about who you play.
2-7 Holy Cross is at 347 with a Q3 win.
0-6 Eastern Washington is at #278, presumably from 3 Q1 losses.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 4, 2023 11:29:29 GMT -5
Unrelated, someone was saying Neptune is only on two years guaranteed which seems crazy but I have no idea. Anyone here have insight on his contract? Don't know the length, but a somewhat prominent alum I know posted in their FB page that Neptune being a waste of $4.2M. Jay made $6.6M in his final year according to their public tax documents, so maybe the $4.2M is for 2 years? I can't imagine they'd give him that annually based on a single .500 season at Fordham. |
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Post by jb71 on Dec 4, 2023 12:07:57 GMT -5
NET rankings are out. I don't get why Nova is so high, and why us and Penn are so low. Villanova 50 St. Joe's 79 Drexel 123 Temple 171 La Salle 181 Penn 185 Who is the best team we beat? Penn at 185 or is someone higher? I assume Drexel is so high because they beat Nova? Seems these reward teams for beating higher net ranked teams more than dinging them for losses to lower ones. If so, I assume that was on purpose to give P5 schools the advanatage. We beat Drexel too |
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 4, 2023 12:16:26 GMT -5
Who is the best team we beat? Penn at 185 or is someone higher? I assume Drexel is so high because they beat Nova? Seems these reward teams for beating higher net ranked teams more than dinging them for losses to lower ones. If so, I assume that was on purpose to give P5 schools the advanatage. We beat Drexel too Yes, Total forgot about Drexel. |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 4, 2023 13:40:28 GMT -5
Unrelated, someone was saying Neptune is only on two years guaranteed which seems crazy but I have no idea. Anyone here have insight on his contract? Don't know the length, but a somewhat prominent alum I know posted in their FB page that Neptune being a waste of $4.2M. Jay made $6.6M in his final year according to their public tax documents, so maybe the $4.2M is for 2 years? I can't imagine they'd give him that annually based on a single .500 season at Fordham. Based on discussion with a Villanova alum, its $4.4MM per year. Apparently they thought it might be disrespectful to go less than half Wright's annual deal or something. Seems unnecessary, but also might be why they were able to go only two years? |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 4, 2023 14:49:29 GMT -5
Wow. I think it's somewhat disrespectful to Jay to give a guy with 1 year under his belt as a head coach in a mid-major about 2/3 salary of a guy who won 2 national championships, and is, arguably, the coach of the decade in the 2010s. Kudos to him for getting paid though...makes me rethink Villanova's business acumen.
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 4, 2023 14:54:33 GMT -5
Wow. I think it's somewhat disrespectful to Jay to give a guy with 1 year under his belt as a head coach in a mid-major about 2/3 salary of a guy who won 2 national championships, and is, arguably, the coach of the decade in the 2010s. Kudos to him for getting paid though...makes me rethink Villanova's business acumen. I don't think that is the issue at all. You go get the guy you want and pay for him if need be. The real issue is whether Neptune was the right choice. Jay retired in April. Why did they need to hire Neptune so fast? If La Salle had 250 candidates then Nova probably could have had 2,000 to choose from. A lot of good to great coaches would apply for that job. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 4, 2023 14:59:27 GMT -5
There was only 1 Wright choice  |
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 4, 2023 15:06:24 GMT -5
There was only 1 Wright choice Touche' Actually Nova is nuts if they ever thought they were not going to take a step back when Jay left. The fans are blind if they think what Jay did can be replicated. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 4, 2023 15:19:57 GMT -5
Wow. I think it's somewhat disrespectful to Jay to give a guy with 1 year under his belt as a head coach in a mid-major about 2/3 salary of a guy who won 2 national championships, and is, arguably, the coach of the decade in the 2010s. Kudos to him for getting paid though...makes me rethink Villanova's business acumen. He was making 550k at Fordham. Probably could have gotten him for 1M. |
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