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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 28, 2023 17:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 29, 2023 2:27:25 GMT -5
Temple is 2nd in the country in FT% at 84%, we are 207th in the country at 70%. We have to keep them off the line.
Wish I could watch the game, but I am in London for work this week and staying up until 2 AM for the end of the game isn't in the cards.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 29, 2023 9:41:07 GMT -5
Wow, I can't remember a time when the line was that low when we were visiting Temple.
To Glitter's point, we need to be ahead at the end of the game and not fouling them to stay in the game.
Would love to see our Big 3 all have solid games. Would really help in securing the win.
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Post by mookie on Nov 29, 2023 10:52:16 GMT -5
Temple is 2nd in the country in FT% at 84%, we are 207th in the country at 70%. We have to keep them off the line. Wish I could watch the game, but I am in London for work this week and staying up until 2 AM for the end of the game isn't in the cards. Where’s the dedication! lol. Enjoy London if you can given it’s for work. |
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Post by MisterD on Nov 29, 2023 11:04:59 GMT -5
This line screams "bet the house on the boys in blueberry & gold"!!!
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 29, 2023 22:21:00 GMT -5
That's a kick in the nuts to lose on the +4.5.
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Post by hykos1045 on Nov 30, 2023 3:52:50 GMT -5
That's a kick in the nuts to lose on the +4.5. Nothing is worse than a bad beat but just trying to imagine there must be some that go our way that we have insufficent memory of. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 30, 2023 17:17:18 GMT -5
Temple is 2nd in the country in FT% at 84%, we are 207th in the country at 70%. We have to keep them off the line. Wish I could watch the game, but I am in London for work this week and staying up until 2 AM for the end of the game isn't in the cards. Where’s the dedication! lol. Enjoy London if you can given it’s for work. you shamed me into staying up. Talking to a few of my British colleagues today who are more into cricket and “football,” they couldn’t understand the concept of overtime and why it wouldn’t just end in a “draw.” |
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Post by MisterD on Nov 30, 2023 17:26:20 GMT -5
I've totally come around on it. I love knowing that if a match kicks off at 11:30, I'm free right around 1:30 no matter what.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 30, 2023 19:47:22 GMT -5
I've totally come around on it. I love knowing that if a match kicks off at 11:30, I'm free right around 1:30 no matter what. I still can't do it. My daughter had a draw in her first game of the season and it just felt different. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 30, 2023 20:01:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is still the rule in PIAA for soccer, but for the state championship, they would play two overtime periods and if still tied, end the game with co champions. They didn't think going to PKs was fair to the mental health of the goalies to lose a state championship on PKs.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 30, 2023 21:14:39 GMT -5
They didn't think going to PKs was fair to the mental health of the goalies to lose a state championship on PKs. cute. And you made this up. They go to kicks. Have always gone to kicks. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 1, 2023 2:31:47 GMT -5
They didn't think going to PKs was fair to the mental health of the goalies to lose a state championship on PKs. cute. And you made this up. They go to kicks. Have always gone to kicks. Joe, you are 100% incorrect. You might want to stay in your lane on this instead of saying I "made this up" (with no actual counter-evidence of your own...as usual). In 2009, Father Judge was declared co-champion with Central Dauphin. If you look at this link, you will see all the PIAA soccer champions going back to 1973. You will see an asterisk after certain years and a designation of “CO-CHAMPS” as it has happened multiple times. This has since changed after a lot of pushback from coaches, but it was the rule in PIAA. As I said above I don’t recall exactly when it changed, but 2021 was the first time PKs decided it. www.piaa.org/assets/web/documents/results/fall/soc/soc_past_champions_fall.pdfIf you want to see the article specifically about the Father Judge match and how after 2 OTs, there was a ridiculous rule that used a coin toss to see who would get the trophy in person and who gets it mailed to them, it is below. Yes, that was the actual rule...and I know about this because it happened to a team I coached 2 years later in the DELCO league which followed PIAA rules for championships and, like Father Judge, we lost the coin toss for who got to go home that day with the first-place trophies...trying to explain that to a bunch of 12-year olds and their parents was lots of fun...it was like no closure to the season. phillysoccerpage.net/2009/11/22/father-judge-piaa-class-aaa-boys-soccer-state-co-champs/
After 120 minutes of play at Hersheypark Stadium against the Central Dauphin Rams on Saturday night, the Father Judge Crusaders made local sports history when they became the first high school soccer team from Philadelphia to win a Pennsylvania Interscholatic Athletic Association (PIAA) state championship. But this tremendous achievement was tempered by a rather strange rule: tied championship matches, according to PIAA rules, cannot be decided by penalty kicks. And so, to the disappointment of players on both teams, with the score at 0-0 after extra time, Father Judge and Central Dauphin were declared the 2009 Co-State Champions.
The coaches and captains from each team then met in the center circle for a coin toss in order to determine which team would be awarded the championship trophy, and which would receive the player’s medals. Central Dauphin won the coin toss so they got the trophy. Father Judge’s will arrive by mail in a few days. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 1, 2023 4:03:04 GMT -5
It was seemingly rectified in 2011. I apologize for being so absolute but your bs comment about mental health should be called out. It was a physical safety thing.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 1, 2023 4:17:12 GMT -5
It was seemingly rectified in 2011. I apologize for being so absolute but your bs comment about mental health should be called out. It was a physical safety thing. i was told by the DELCO league president (Monica was her name) when this happened to my team, that PIAA had this rule due to the psychological effects on a goalie to spend the whole off-season living with being seen as the one responsible for losing the game, and that's why DELCO followed it as well. PKs dont present any physical safety danger to players as there is no player to player contact. Come on. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 1, 2023 4:40:49 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 1, 2023 6:20:10 GMT -5
I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore. You initially said they didn't do PKs because "It was a physical safety thing.", but the link you posted talks about reducing OT from 20 to 15 minutes in the matches prior to the championship for physical safety...nothing about PKs and physical safety...because anyone who knows or plays or coaches soccer knows that's a ridiculous conjecture. I only have my Class E and Class D coaching licenses through EPYSA though, so I'll defer to you if you've gone to the National C-level license course as maybe that's where they cover the physical dangers of PKs. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Dec 1, 2023 7:09:25 GMT -5
You don't have to defer to me. You were right. But they clearly changed that rule at some point between Judge's tie and 2011. My initial argument (which I should have stayed on) was that I don't think it had to do with mental health even if that is what Monica said.
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Post by bigjohnny2 on Dec 1, 2023 8:35:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is still the rule in PIAA for soccer, but for the state championship, they would play two overtime periods and if still tied, end the game with co champions. They didn't think going to PKs was fair to the mental health of the goalies to lose a state championship on PKs. As a long time PIAA soccer coach, you have this correct. After two OT's in the state finals, it ends with co-champions. I think it has more to do with the rules changing after the 1983 state championship between Freedom and Trinity. after being deadlocked 1-1, they played two five minute overtime periods, 14 five-minute sudden-death overtimes for 160 total minutes of play. The game started at 1:30 p.m. and was called because of darkness and unplayable conditions around 5:30 pm. No PK's. After losing in OT in a final years ago, I would take the co-championship in a heartbeat! |
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Post by theneumann64 on Dec 1, 2023 8:47:36 GMT -5
My suggestion for soccer (and hockey) Overtimes is that one player from each team should come off the field each minute until you'd eventually be left with 1 on 1.
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Post by bigjohnny2 on Dec 1, 2023 8:58:34 GMT -5
My suggestion for soccer (and hockey) Overtimes is that one player from each team should come off the field each minute until you'd eventually be left with 1 on 1. Field hockey goes to 7v7 for overtime. The game gets stretched and plays fast. A winner usually gets decided on the field in true gameplay. |
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Post by mookie on Dec 1, 2023 9:43:57 GMT -5
Where’s the dedication! lol. Enjoy London if you can given it’s for work. you shamed me into staying up. Talking to a few of my British colleagues today who are more into cricket and “football,” they couldn’t understand the concept of overtime and why it wouldn’t just end in a “draw.” I was conversing with my London colleagues yesterday about college basketball and football. I interact mostly with international folks now so it’s always a football or cricket discussion vs college basketball. Sorry you not only stayed up for a game but also stayed extra long for a 3OT game lol |
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Post by MisterD on Dec 1, 2023 15:12:06 GMT -5
Mental health of the goalie doesn't really even make sense? There's a far greater chance an outfield player is going to be the one who fucks up in penalties.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Dec 2, 2023 10:25:09 GMT -5
My favorite way of doing this is a tournament I used to take my teams to in Dillsburg every year. Instead of a straight-up penalty kick, the kicking player starts about 35 yards out from goal, and the goalie starts on the goal line. The ref blows a whistle and the player has 5 seconds to dribble in and get a shot off, but the goalie can come out as far as they want (just can't handle the ball outside the box). It puts a bit more strategy into it instead of just guessing left or right and was much more exciting.
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