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Post by victoriouslasalle on Nov 21, 2023 21:21:29 GMT -5
Thought we would show better. Talent gap is wide for sure. I didn’t see the game but it appears Brantley didn’t play well. La Salle can’t match up with better teams when our top 3 are not playing well together. Learn something and move forward. Won’t be a better team we play this year. Regarding Brantley I would like to see Brickus shoot more and Brantley less. Brickus seems to make significantly more of his shots. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 21, 2023 21:22:21 GMT -5
Yeah it was fine. We were competitive in the first half and didn’t get down huge until late in the game. I was hoping the final would be closer to 20 than 30 but realistically I don’t think it makes that much difference. Good experience for the guys. Beat Coppin State Sunday and get ready for Temple.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 21, 2023 21:48:27 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here, but giving up 56 points in the second half and having their backup center who played 5 minutes in garbage time score more than Rokus who played for 30 is unacceptable. We're a division 1 team and we played horrendous defense and got killed on the glass. We got our butts whooped solidly tonight, and people are like... "It's Ok because it's Duke." That's not OK .
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 21, 2023 21:54:30 GMT -5
Mark me down as fine with how tonight went. I’ve seen La Salle get beat down like this by far lesser teams than Duke. GW last February springs to mind. I want to see what they do against Temple next Wednesday. That’s the real early barometer for me.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 21, 2023 21:56:51 GMT -5
Thought we would show better. Talent gap is wide for sure. I didn’t see the game but it appears Brantley didn’t play well. La Salle can’t match up with better teams when our top 3 are not playing well together. Learn something and move forward. Won’t be a better team we play this year. Yeah agreed disappointing result from a team that actually a lot more college basketball experience. We had the 3-year and 4-year players, not Duke. Defense was horrific. We looked slow and unorganized and on offense we looked hesitant and intimidated. On defense, we gave up a lot of wide open shots and dunks… On offense, we turned away too many open looks from the perimeter and instead try to and finish against more athletic players. If we are going to field a winning team this year, we need to players on the court who are going to attempt to shoot the ball when they have an opportunity. You don’t know if that is going to be best shot of the possession. Obviously you hope it goes in but you need to step up and at least attempt to take the shot. But again we were underdogs by 26 so not reasonable to expect to win. Would have been nice to see the team keep it competitive and it in the teens. |
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Post by explorerman on Nov 21, 2023 22:02:06 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here, but giving up 56 points in the second half and having their backup center who played 5 minutes in garbage time score more than Rokus who played for 30 is unacceptable. We're a division 1 team and we played horrendous defense and got killed on the glass. We got our butts whooped solidly tonight, and people are like... "It's Ok because it's Duke." That's not OK . Agreed, it is a loser’s mentality and it has been persuasive at La Salle for years now. It needs to stop. Again, I understand you need to have a degree of realism but you also want a team that tries to win and gives it their best shot. Having a post-practice photo at mid court of Cameron Indoor with donors and the team, just screams I am glad to be here and not 100% on interested or focused on trying to win. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 21, 2023 22:30:19 GMT -5
Regarding the 20 vs 30, I believe that you're right. The true litmus test of that game would have been if we had Duke on the ropes in the 2nd half. Think #3 Uconn back in 08-09...I believe we lost by 4 or 5. Kemba Walker was a freshman.
Obviously, we aren't there yet. But we can, and have, played top 10 teams closer than 30 point defeats.
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Post by hykos1045 on Nov 21, 2023 22:47:14 GMT -5
Acc network is all duke, wish they would show some Explorer love. Jusr a dream. I thought they were kind to Rocius and Shep after the highlight reel dunks except they butchered the last name... no "T" sound in Jocius to my knowledge, right? |
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Post by hykos1045 on Nov 21, 2023 22:51:15 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here, but giving up 56 points in the second half and having their backup center who played 5 minutes in garbage time score more than Rokus who played for 30 is unacceptable. We're a division 1 team and we played horrendous defense and got killed on the glass. We got our butts whooped solidly tonight, and people are like... "It's Ok because it's Duke." That's not OK . Agreed, it is a loser’s mentality and it has been persuasive at La Salle for years now. It needs to stop. Again, I understand you need to have a degree of realism but you also want a team that tries to win and gives it their best shot. Having a post-practice photo at mid court of Cameron Indoor with donors and the team, just screams I am glad to be here and not 100% on interested or focused on trying to win. Why not both? For those who wanted competitive... remember how frustrating it was to play up to good teams and down to bad teams? At least we shouldn't have that problem anymore under Dunphy. We may have had an off night, but Coach Dunphy and the staff are is long term making a solid team that could finish anywhere from 4 to 11 in a stacked A10. |
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Post by roaddog77 on Nov 21, 2023 23:08:47 GMT -5
Today was an old fashioned ass kicking. Duke was a superior team than us. We played them tough in the 1st half, but in the second half reality kick in on us. Duke (56 points) almost out score us in the second half than us in the whole game. In my opinion, that is inexcusable. Gill (17 points and 4 rebounds) and Brickus (13 points) was the only two came out to played tonight. We have to work on our rebound and our back side defense. We just take this game as a learning experience and get Coach Fran his 600 career victory against Coppin State on Sunday. Go Explorer.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 22, 2023 1:41:25 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here, but giving up 56 points in the second half and having their backup center who played 5 minutes in garbage time score more than Rokus who played for 30 is unacceptable. We're a division 1 team and we played horrendous defense and got killed on the glass. We got our butts whooped solidly tonight, and people are like... "It's Ok because it's Duke." That's not OK . Glitter : TJ Power has quite a pedigree : goduke.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/tj-power/19456 |
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Post by las71 on Nov 22, 2023 6:49:51 GMT -5
The final score was not unexpected. We did not have one favorable matchup. We kept it reasonably close for a half and then got worn down by a superior team. We needed to shoot at a very high percentage and we didn't. I suspect that playing in this setting will better prepare us for playing at Temple and Wells Fargo. While the result was disappointing our guys got to play on the national stage and it's just another piece of our return to relevance. Go'splorers!
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Post by Shout out to my Cousin Bern on Nov 22, 2023 7:52:18 GMT -5
We would be competitive if we could shoot, we can’t. A lot boils down to this for me. We really don’t shoot well. We got plenty of open looks and nothing drops. I don’t know the game well enough to understand why we have a collection of players that can’t shoot, but I know when we had success in the 2010s it was with at least 2 great shooters on the floor all the time (+ Ramon who would shoot and dunk from anywhere confidently). Not saying that’s the only recipe to win, but I don’t see even 1 great shooter on this team. |
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 22, 2023 8:21:47 GMT -5
We would be competitive if we could shoot, we can’t. Yes, how Dunphy has not recruited some shooters is puzzling. He is a coach getting hi9s players shots but we don't have a consistent shooter. Brickus is the most consistent but often not aggressive enough from the perimeter. The hope is Marrero can develop and I think to some degree Dunphy get him there. We lack scholarships which could be used on shooters and more athletes. That is why I said in an earlier post when you have guys like Tahamaz, Mercandino, Ramos, and Milos not seeing any time. It is problematic. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 22, 2023 9:22:46 GMT -5
Agreed, it is a loser’s mentality and it has been persuasive at La Salle for years now. It needs to stop. Again, I understand you need to have a degree of realism but you also want a team that tries to win and gives it their best shot. Having a post-practice photo at mid court of Cameron Indoor with donors and the team, just screams I am glad to be here and not 100% on interested or focused on trying to win. I had this thought as well...like it was a Disney vacation and the game itself was an afterthought or a fun exhibition. The frontcourt weaknesses were exposed. Truth be told they were exposed against Southern Indiana but we escaped with a 1 point win. When we were in zone toward the end and the player from Duke just snuck behind us for an easy basket - it looked like bad CYO defending. Boxing out on rebounding was horrible, and we were burned on pick and rolls repeatedly. I wasn't expecting a win, but I was at least expecting a team whose mantra is defense to not give up 95 points, to not have defensive breakdowns, and to not give them wide open looks on the same plays multiple times. |
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Post by nealum on Nov 22, 2023 9:31:24 GMT -5
I like the point made by Explorer 88 above re: lack of a consistent shooter. Every team today need a consistent 3-point shooter. Below is a profile of a player available playing on the same team (Hoosac School) as our newest recruit:
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Aleksander Pachucki (2024) 6’6 shooting guard - Pachucki is a Canadian elite sharpshooter. He is the best scorer on the team. He has already had a game with 14 made 3’s this year (against Putnam Science) which topped his 12 made 3’s from last year. He can shoot it off the dribble, off of the catch, or off of staggers. He is a clinic on supreme shooting ability. High IQ player, with a very good ball handling ability too. Coachable and humble. 3.8 gpa . Maybe someone can alert our recruiting staff to this one.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 22, 2023 9:52:37 GMT -5
Acc network is all duke, wish they would show some Explorer love. Jusr a dream. I thought they were kind to Rocius and Shep after the highlight reel dunks except they butchered the last name... no "T" sound in Jocius to my knowledge, right? The Duke announcers found it endlessly amusing that La Salle has 7 international players on our roster and incredulously recited the list of all of the several Countries represented, in a chortling , holier than thou , ' sure-glad-WE-don't-need-to-do-that ' kind of way. [ This , needless to say, coming from Duke who literally has its multiple pick(s) of the top 10, 5-star, Parade Magazine, McDonald's All - American players coming out of high school each year. ] |
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Post by explorerman on Nov 22, 2023 13:07:38 GMT -5
I like the point made by Explorer 88 above re: lack of a consistent shooter. Every team today need a consistent 3-point shooter. Below is a profile of a player available playing on the same team ( Hoosac School) as our newest recruit: -------------- Aleksander Pachucki (2024) 6’6 shooting guard - Pachucki is a Canadian elite sharpshooter. He is the best scorer on the team. He has already had a game with 14 made 3’s this year (against Putnam Science) which topped his 12 made 3’s from last year. He can shoot it off the dribble, off of the catch, or off of staggers. He is a clinic on supreme shooting ability. High IQ player, with a very good ball handling ability too. Coachable and humble. 3.8 gpa . Maybe someone can alert our recruiting staff to this one. ------------ I wasn’t going to out him earlier but I am a big fan.. Athleticism is the debate around Pachucki. He is a plus shooter off dribble and plus plus from the spot.. I had suggested to an unnamed D1 asst (not La Salle) that why don’t you redshirt him and just work on quickness and plyometrics if you are so concerned. He just mumbled and said we can’t waste scholarships like that in this environment.. I know 88 and I have always been consistent in this that just need shooters. We really haven’t had a full set since the S16 team. If anyone loses their guy Duren, Galloway and Mills would have an open look. Outside of Brickus who doesn’t look for his shot enough, we simply don’t have the horses. Sample size the last few years is big enough now. Marrero and Tunde have shown flashes from the perimeter and both have some nice simple form with consistent release points. You figure you could project them at 35%+ but they get inconsistent run. This needs to get figured out by A10 play or it is going to be a rough 3 months. |
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Post by nealum on Nov 22, 2023 13:30:21 GMT -5
By the way, lots of Duke game highlights on YouTube. Not sure why we played man to man against Duke. They were bigger and quicker. Our offense looked helter skelter. On the plus side, there is one highlight of Tunde taking the ball to the hoop, scoring and getting fouled. Great size (6'8") for someone who handles the ball so well. He should be starting.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 22, 2023 13:43:35 GMT -5
By the way, lots of Duke game highlights on YouTube. Not sure why we played man to man against Duke. They were bigger and quicker. Our offense looked helter skelter. On the plus side, there is one highlight of Tunde taking the ball to the hoop, scoring and getting fouled. Great size (6'8") for someone who handles the ball so well. He should be starting. I think so too. Dunphy seems to be doing the old school ideology of playing upperclassmen first regardless if it worse for the team or not.. We need his size… Even if he is small and light for PF. Rokas can not be expected to manage the frontcourt by himself which is what he is attempting to do when you have Killer Bs, Gill and Shepherd on the court together.. |
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 22, 2023 14:01:40 GMT -5
Dunphy isn't going to start Tunde over Shepherd. He is loyal to the top 4.
I am not sure there is a clear winner between those two but Dunphy is appreciative I am sure of Shepherd coming back and probably this was discussed when he was mulling transferring.
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Post by nealum on Nov 22, 2023 14:37:47 GMT -5
I wasn't thinking Shepard. He's too valuable. Shep has the highest FG % on the team at .564 and 2nd highest rebounds at 27 (Jocius @ 28). For taller opponents, perhaps Tunde could play closer to the basket and spell Gill who is only 6'4 205. Tunde is 6'8" 210. We've been getting killed on rebounds. Gill only has 15 rbs (Brantley has 17). This is not meant to diminish Gill's contributions, as he is a very good guard.
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Nov 22, 2023 14:42:57 GMT -5
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Post by kinesiology on Nov 22, 2023 15:48:09 GMT -5
I think it’s time to cut back on minutes for Brantley and Gill. They’re getting @36 minutes each, shooting 40% from the field and 22% from 3.
Both have way too many trips into the paint that end up with a no chance shot. Knock 10 minutes PT off both and add a little more young blood.
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Post by lasallejohn on Nov 22, 2023 16:58:29 GMT -5
By the way, lots of Duke game highlights on YouTube. Not sure why we played man to man against Duke. They were bigger and quicker. Our offense looked helter skelter. On the plus side, there is one highlight of Tunde taking the ball to the hoop, scoring and getting fouled. Great size (6'8") for someone who handles the ball so well. He should be starting. I think so too. Dunphy seems to be doing the old school ideology of playing upperclassmen first regardless if it worse for the team or not.. We need his size… Even if he is small and light for PF. Rokas can not be expected to manage the frontcourt by himself which is what he is attempting to do when you have Killer Bs, Gill and Shepherd on the court together.. Disagree. I’d have rather seen more of Zan last night. At least in his limited minutes he battled with Filipowski. Rokas, for supposedly playing against grown men in Europe, lacks any physicality/toughness and it showed last night. Also, can’t hold onto the ball. If we had any frontcourt presence, it may have been more of a battle. Guards are what kept us in the game for the first half. |
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Post by walkon on Nov 22, 2023 17:13:48 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does Rokas seem more timid than he did as a freshman?
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Post by golasalle on Nov 22, 2023 18:01:29 GMT -5
Agreed, it is a loser’s mentality and it has been persuasive at La Salle for years now. It needs to stop. Again, I understand you need to have a degree of realism but you also want a team that tries to win and gives it their best shot. Having a post-practice photo at mid court of Cameron Indoor with donors and the team, just screams I am glad to be here and not 100% on interested or focused on trying to win. I had this thought as well...like it was a Disney vacation and the game itself was an afterthought or a fun exhibition. The frontcourt weaknesses were exposed. Truth be told they were exposed against Southern Indiana but we escaped with a 1 point win. When we were in zone toward the end and the player from Duke just snuck behind us for an easy basket - it looked like bad CYO defending. Boxing out on rebounding was horrible, and we were burned on pick and rolls repeatedly. I wasn't expecting a win, but I was at least expecting a team whose mantra is defense to not give up 95 points, to not have defensive breakdowns, and to not give them wide open looks on the same plays multiple times. This is a really ridiculous take. You guys aren't happy unless there is something to piss and moan about. The Athletic Department gauged interest in a travel package for the game and when there was enough interest they chartered a big enough plane to accommodate fans and supporters of the basketball team. As one of the perks for buying the travel package, the fans and supporters were invited to morning shoot around at an historic gym. After the shoot around the team takes all of 30 seconds to take a photo with these folks on the floor. This has nothing to do with the team preparing for the game or taking the game seriously. It was literally a 30 second deviation from their normal routine and preparation. This is the stuff the school should be doing for fans and supporters. We want more people to want to come to games and support the program. You guys are the first to complain that the school doesn't do enough to promote the team and get folks interested. When they do do something like that you find a way to denigrate it. From what I hear there were about 200 or so La Salle fans at the game. The pre-game meet up was packed with La Salle people. This should be celebrated as the Athletic Department doing something positive to promote the program. But leave it to you guys to figure out a way to criticize it. |
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Nov 22, 2023 20:55:44 GMT -5
I thought they were kind to Rocius and Shep after the highlight reel dunks except they butchered the last name... no "T" sound in Jocius to my knowledge, right? The Duke announcers found it endlessly amusing that La Salle has 7 international players on our roster and incredulously recited the list of all of the several Countries represented, in a chortling , holier than thou , ' sure-glad-WE-don't-need-to-do-that ' kind of way. [ This , needless to say, coming from Duke who literally has its multiple pick(s) of the top 10, 5-star, Parade Magazine, McDonald's All - American players coming out of high school each year. ] Saw this this morning and had a chuckle x.com/lowaState/status/1727162221669523478?s=20 |
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Post by calsufan on Nov 22, 2023 21:05:54 GMT -5
I had this thought as well...like it was a Disney vacation and the game itself was an afterthought or a fun exhibition. The frontcourt weaknesses were exposed. Truth be told they were exposed against Southern Indiana but we escaped with a 1 point win. When we were in zone toward the end and the player from Duke just snuck behind us for an easy basket - it looked like bad CYO defending. Boxing out on rebounding was horrible, and we were burned on pick and rolls repeatedly. I wasn't expecting a win, but I was at least expecting a team whose mantra is defense to not give up 95 points, to not have defensive breakdowns, and to not give them wide open looks on the same plays multiple times. This is a really ridiculous take. You guys aren't happy unless there is something to piss and moan about. The Athletic Department gauged interest in a travel package for the game and when there was enough interest they chartered a big enough plane to accommodate fans and supporters of the basketball team. As one of the perks for buying the travel package, the fans and supporters were invited to morning shoot around at an historic gym. After the shoot around the team takes all of 30 seconds to take a photo with these folks on the floor. This has nothing to do with the team preparing for the game or taking the game seriously. It was literally a 30 second deviation from their normal routine and preparation. This is the stuff the school should be doing for fans and supporters. We want more people to want to come to games and support the program. You guys are the first to complain that the school doesn't do enough to promote the team and get folks interested. When they do do something like that you find a way to denigrate it. From what I hear there were about 200 or so La Salle fans at the game. The pre-game meet up was packed with La Salle people. This should be celebrated as the Athletic Department doing something positive to promote the program. But leave it to you guys to figure out a way to criticize it. A 1,000 times yes on this post. I have seen so many people on here bitching, moaning and complaining about everything the school doesn't do right. No in-game experience etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. Then they do something to create a unique one time experience for hard core fans and it's all wah, wah, wah, all of the time. Go ahead and list all of your complaints, but it doesn't change the fact that when they finally do something right, what do you do but piss all over it. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 22, 2023 21:06:06 GMT -5
I had this thought as well...like it was a Disney vacation and the game itself was an afterthought or a fun exhibition. The frontcourt weaknesses were exposed. Truth be told they were exposed against Southern Indiana but we escaped with a 1 point win. When we were in zone toward the end and the player from Duke just snuck behind us for an easy basket - it looked like bad CYO defending. Boxing out on rebounding was horrible, and we were burned on pick and rolls repeatedly. I wasn't expecting a win, but I was at least expecting a team whose mantra is defense to not give up 95 points, to not have defensive breakdowns, and to not give them wide open looks on the same plays multiple times. This is a really ridiculous take. You guys aren't happy unless there is something to piss and moan about. The Athletic Department gauged interest in a travel package for the game and when there was enough interest they chartered a big enough plane to accommodate fans and supporters of the basketball team. As one of the perks for buying the travel package, the fans and supporters were invited to morning shoot around at an historic gym. After the shoot around the team takes all of 30 seconds to take a photo with these folks on the floor. This has nothing to do with the team preparing for the game or taking the game seriously. It was literally a 30 second deviation from their normal routine and preparation. This is the stuff the school should be doing for fans and supporters. We want more people to want to come to games and support the program. You guys are the first to complain that the school doesn't do enough to promote the team and get folks interested. When they do do something like that you find a way to denigrate it. From what I hear there were about 200 or so La Salle fans at the game. The pre-game meet up was packed with La Salle people. This should be celebrated as the Athletic Department doing something positive to promote the program. But leave it to you guys to figure out a way to criticize it. if there was a way to give this post multiple likes, i would. |
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