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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 9:04:37 GMT -5
I'm hopeful that nickelberry turns out, but there is a trend with transfers. Spencer Beatty Moore
All of those high conference players that have been/were mediocre at best at La Salle. They also did almost nothing at the level they were at. There is a trend when looking at the transfers that were successful at La Salle- Galloway Garland Price BJ Johnson Earl Pettis
They all had at least some success at the higher level, came down and had varying levels of success, but success, nonetheless. I'm just cautious at this point with getting my hopes up with these guys that have done next to nothing then coming down. Not to say there isnt talent there, but perhaps the intangibles.
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Post by 23won on Apr 26, 2021 10:21:18 GMT -5
The trend with the transfers is that G was an early adopter and was able to get some gems. The disadvantage then was that P6 programs didn't want a transfer question mark and wait two years. G didn't care.
Now, transfers play immediately and the P6 scoop up the high value no brainers, while teams like us have to scour for the hidden gem. Here our hidden gems are high level HS players who didn't fit at a bigger school. I realize Beatty didn't turn out as expected but Nickelberry looks like he could be a sleeper for us, so I am not worried about his 21 production where he had health issues. I do like that he shows high level talent, was a top 100 recruit and looks like he put on 30 pounds of strength in a top program versus HS.
The frontcourt is a big question mark, but if we can play with 4 consistent scorers in Kenney and Jig (pretty good odds) and Nickelberry and Clark find a shooting grove next year (less certain, but possible), I could be ok with a 4 plus one big lineup like the one we used when Zack got hurt. Clark is 6' 8" and has filled out; with a summer of added strength and shooting, we'd be ok with that core lineup on most nights in the A10, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 10:37:16 GMT -5
Consistency from Kenney? I think he is one of the most inconsistent players we have seen in recent memory. 10, 0,8,2,5,16,16,14,18,3,7,2,9,17,6,20,17,6,22,0,14,14,2,2 he also as a 1.7:2.2 A/TO ratio which is very bad. Brickus I am on bored with. Kenney has shown flashes obviously- He's also shown sometimes he has no interest in playing defense or passing.
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Post by explorer88 on Apr 26, 2021 10:54:01 GMT -5
The trend with the transfers is that G was an early adopter and was able to get some gems. The disadvantage then was that P6 programs didn't want a transfer question mark and wait two years. G didn't care. Now, transfers play immediately and the P6 scoop up the high value no brainers, while teams like us have to scour for the hidden gem. Here our hidden gems are high level HS players who didn't fit at a bigger school. I realize Beatty didn't turn out as expected but Nickelberry looks like he could be a sleeper for us, so I am not worried about his 21 production where he had health issues. I do like that he shows high level talent, was a top 100 recruit and looks like he put on 30 pounds of strength in a top program versus HS. The frontcourt is a big question mark, but if we can play with 4 consistent scorers in Kenney and Jig (pretty good odds) and Nickelberry and Clark find a shooting grove next year (less certain, but possible), I could be ok with a 4 plus one big lineup like the one we used when Zack got hurt. Clark is 6' 8" and has filled out; with a summer of added strength and shooting, we'd be ok with that core lineup on most nights in the A10, IMO. A lot of if's here. If it is one thing La Salle has plenty of is "if's". When Zack was playing center Jerrell was on the team. We rarely played Zack and the 4 around him because Jerrell got most of those match-ups. In addition, Jerrell or Zack whomever was on the floor has Duren, Galloway, Mills, and Garland with them. This team has no one as good as those 4 in their specific roles.
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Post by big5vet on Apr 26, 2021 11:53:17 GMT -5
There is no doubt those four players fit their roles and the needs of the team very well. That's not to say that Brickus, Kenney, Clark and Ray might not begin to mesh better as a unit in their second season together. A shooter like Nickelberry, if he finds his stroke, could make the team A10 top half competitive. Yes, the Explorers lack the front court talent of 2013 but we're not barren. Without any thought of actual predictions, I would be delighted if we have a .500 A10 season and play with improved consistency at both ends of the court. Catching up with the 2013 tournament run isn't my immediate short-term goal.
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Post by 23won on Apr 26, 2021 12:16:09 GMT -5
Agree with Vet as far as expectations. I was not implying anything would unfold like '13, just that a 4 and 1 lineup can work against many A10 teams when 3-4 players are scoring. If Clark and Josh can score with some consistency, we'll be able to break through to .500. Also in 2013, Duren, Galloway, Mills, and Garland had 3+ years of playing experience, whereas our 2021-2 "4" will have less than half that, so expectations should not be there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 12:37:43 GMT -5
There is no doubt those four players fit their roles and the needs of the team very well. That's not to say that Brickus, Kenney, Clark and Ray might not begin to mesh better as a unit in their second season together. A shooter like Nickelberry, if he finds his stroke, could make the team A10 top half competitive. Yes, the Explorers lack the front court talent of 2013 but we're not barren. Without any thought of actual predictions, I would be delighted if we have a .500 A10 season and play with improved consistency at both ends of the court. Catching up with the 2013 tournament run isn't my immediate short-term goal. "we're not barren [in the front court]" Izay had 4 points and 19 rebounds this season Moore averaged 6 points 4 rebounds (in about 23 mins a game) Mamadou Doucoure averaged 5 minutes a game and scored 14 points and grabbed 14 rebounds in total last season I'm not saying the frontcourt will be good or bad. But by definition, that is absolutely as barren as it possibly could be.
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Post by big5vet on Apr 26, 2021 13:09:21 GMT -5
OK. I'm still willing to allow for "some" growth by the group.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 13:10:11 GMT -5
OK. I'm still willing to allow for "some" growth by the group. I think as it stands though, it is very barren.
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Post by stlexplorer on Apr 26, 2021 19:13:39 GMT -5
However the player turns out there's nothing more exciting then when Ash tweets that out
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Post by a10champion15 on Apr 27, 2021 10:19:20 GMT -5
Great add by Ash! Hoping he can stay healthy and clean up his shooting. Has a ton of potential to be a very dynamic player for us.
I wouldn't expect another major add at this point.
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Post by explorergrad08 on Apr 27, 2021 22:17:52 GMT -5
I'm hopeful that nickelberry turns out, but there is a trend with transfers. Spencer Beatty Moore All of those high conference players that have been/were mediocre at best at La Salle. They also did almost nothing at the level they were at. There is a trend when looking at the transfers that were successful at La Salle- Galloway Garland Price BJ Johnson Earl Pettis They all had at least some success at the higher level, came down and had varying levels of success, but success, nonetheless. I'm just cautious at this point with getting my hopes up with these guys that have done next to nothing then coming down. Not to say there isnt talent there, but perhaps the intangibles. B.J. Johnson averaged 3.4 ppg in 12 mpg over 35 games at Syracuse. 23% from 3. Yes, he had one 19-point game. He did "almost nothing" at the level he was at. Nickelberry averaged 1.5 ppg in 7 mpg over 24 games at Louisville. 23% from 3. Extrapolate the extra 5 minutes per game and he's averaging 2.6 ppg. Beatty also was the leading scorer on La Salle's team two years ago - a 15-15 season. Spencer led the A-10 in 3-pt. shooting. Moore's story is not complete. Where is your trend? Would you prefer Price & Powell to Spencer & Beatty? From a pure scoring perspective, yeah probably. Defensively? Heck no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 9:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by 23won on Apr 28, 2021 10:52:32 GMT -5
Price was an elite matador.
Pookie shuffled too slowly and too long to ever make a stop or draw a charge.
Spencer could do an open catch and shoot 3, not much else, so no big gain there.
Beatty played some d but not much.
It was night and day for those 4 compared to the guys on the 13 team.
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Post by vital on May 1, 2021 20:08:02 GMT -5
It's a lot easier to guard someone or keep them in front of you when you have not 1 but 2 big athletic defenders protecting the painted area....
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jul 20, 2021 21:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by roaddog77 on Jul 20, 2021 21:46:47 GMT -5
I hope Nickelberry don't turn out to be David Beatty 2.0
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 7, 2021 8:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 13, 2021 19:53:01 GMT -5
4-star SG Josh Nickelberry -- Workout video ( November, 2018 )
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 17, 2021 13:14:22 GMT -5
( February 20, 2018 ) Josh Nickelberry -- Best SG in the Country ?
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 8, 2022 17:33:50 GMT -5
George Perkins is announcing tomorrow. La Salle is pretty involved. It would do Ash well to get some recruits in the fold before La Salle make a decision on his future.
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Post by 23won on Mar 8, 2022 20:50:20 GMT -5
88, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 8, 2022 21:29:50 GMT -5
88, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one I am not.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 9, 2022 15:49:34 GMT -5
Perkins committed to Rice.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 9, 2022 16:35:01 GMT -5
Perkins committed to Rice. Rice??? He's either going for the academics or else to get out of town. No one goes to Rice (for basketball). Edit: I just checked his Twitter. He states that he has a 3.8 GPA, so this is definitely just as much about academics as it is about basketball. Good for him.
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