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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 20, 2021 9:18:18 GMT -5
Not all rule changes are gimmicks. I don't like most of the "new" baseball rules mostly because I think they're ineffective at solving the problems they're trying to solve, which that the games are too long and too slow paced (which are not necessarily the same thing), but the things they could ACTUALLY do to speed up the game, they're unwilling to do- namely cutting a few commercials, or legitimately enforcing guys to stay in the box, and for pitchers to pitch quickly. I personally don't like the DH either, but at this point, with it having been around for 50 years and existing in literally every league on earth except the NL and one of the Japanese leagues, I think it's time to bite the bullet and make it universal. For a rule change that unequivocally made the game better, the Force Out rule in the NFL was dumb and eliminating it helped. If you make a catch in the air and a guy forces you out of bounds before you can get your feet in- it shouldn't be a catch. The DH takes strategy out of baseball. It minimizes the importance of bench depth, it takes away the double switch. It takes away the importance of an 8 hole hitter turning the line up over. Then the pitchers that take hitting seriously, that can swing it a little bit, they lose out. Yeah I don't like it either, but it's absolutely never going away in the AL, or in college, or in every minor league in the world, or in any foreign major league. So it's keep having the two leagues play by different rules or make the DH Universal. The "eliminate entirely" argument is a dead issue at this point.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 20, 2021 9:51:07 GMT -5
And a 20 second pitch clock would do wonders for baseball. If he doesn't throw a pitch, it's a ball. The problem is pitchers now aren't pitchers from the two hour game era. Max effort requires more rest in between than in a pitch to contact era. I don't have an answer, I just don't like the solves that would inherently lead to more injury, usually among the guys (relievers) who get the least out of the game.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 20, 2021 11:56:30 GMT -5
Between 1939 and 1952, teams could decline shooting the free throws and instead elect to inbound the ball at half court. A friend of mine's father played for Temple during these years and always loved to tell me about that.🤣 I don't like any of the proposed changes. It sounds like you'd need a secret decoder ring to figure out what rule applied when. "Let's see.....it's Tuesday, there's a full moon, and the caterpillar's have thick, black hair this year, so that means.....jump ball." It's the same way they're trying to ruin baseball; 7-inning doubleheaders, start extra innings with a runner on second, a relief pitcher must face 3 batters....etc. It's people with too much time on their hands that have nothing better to than come up with unnecessary rule changes. 1863 ...just a point of conversation...are you old enough to remember the blowback when the American League instituted the DH? They were called commies. They were commies. I hated and still hate the DH rule.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 20, 2021 15:01:36 GMT -5
Across the Atlantic, the giants of soccer did their own massively dumb thing which will so aggressively alienate fans in what should have been such an obvious way that it almost seems like intentional sabotage. This is our fault too; an american bank and a few american owners are big drivers of this nonsense. I root for City and even I'm hoping everyone but PSG gets bounced from Champions League in response or to stop it. Chelsea just reversed course on the Super League because of the backlash. Man City is rumored to be pulling out as well.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 20, 2021 15:17:22 GMT -5
Good day for soccer and a bad day for greedy billionaires so a double-good day overall.
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Post by LaSallePal on Apr 24, 2021 6:01:35 GMT -5
Across the Atlantic, the giants of soccer did their own massively dumb thing which will so aggressively alienate fans in what should have been such an obvious way that it almost seems like intentional sabotage. This is our fault too; an american bank and a few american owners are big drivers of this nonsense. I root for City and even I'm hoping everyone but PSG gets bounced from Champions League in response or to stop it. Yeah I'm gonna push back on that one, who's this "we" you're talking about? I don't have a rooting interest in any of the teams involved, nor am I in high finance or finance at all, nor do I belong to any of the same social clubs as anyone involved, nor are any of them from Philadelphia or La Salle alums, nor do I have the kind of net worth that makes me part of that we. Banks also largely lack nationalities except as convenient. I'm glad it fell apart and I hope it exposes to the fans how their clubs see them and exploit their loyalties and memories so as to make international soccer more sustainable, but I don't think it will. My impression is that, as far as baseball is concerned, they're trying to appeal to the "short-attention-span" crowd, the casual fan, that won't be there tomorrow - but will buy the trendy tee-shirts, go for the side-show atmosphere in the stadium away from the game. They're not necessarily forgetting where they came from, they figure the hardcore baseball fan will be there no matter what - which may be worse....it could be an implied "we've got your dollars already, we don't care about you" message. They're forgetting that the more devoted fans aren't devoted in perpetuity. Casual fans don't stick around but those that form genuine emotional irrational attachments are what end up driving the bus financially and as an identity.
The Steelers are a good example... the team tends to unite the Pittsburgh diaspora despite being scattered refugees of deindustrialization and the team itself is often aggressively pro-labor and rights, reflective of that diaspora and the team's US Steel-related origins. Then you have this pygmy shit in South Philadelphia trying to charge Temple to use a publicly funded stadium.
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