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Post by gymrat67 on Jun 20, 2020 12:03:13 GMT -5
THIS ! Thank You, LaSalle Class of 2020
La_Salle. ;-) Nice video! Can't stop watching it. This should sit atop the main webpage for La Salle Athletics and not be moved for a year. It turns out that this remarkable video was conceived by, produced by and is 100% the personal work product of senior Women's Lacrosse defender Emily Talluto. Congratulations Emily !!! Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by gymrat67 on Jun 24, 2020 13:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 10, 2020 1:09:10 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Jul 16, 2020 9:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by gymrat67 on Aug 20, 2020 13:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 20, 2020 14:18:26 GMT -5
Announcing this 4 days after classes started is disappointing. I know students were not expected to be in-person and in the dorms until mid-September....but this definitely feels like a bait and switch where they got students to commit with the promise of being in person by mid September...and pulling the rug out after classes have started. Basing the decision on "uncontrollable outbreaks" at other college campuses (what exactly is an uncontrollable outbreak?) and on other college students not following their institution's guidelines makes an assumption that La Salle students will do the same. That is a shame that the administration is making these assumptions and using that type of alarmist rhetoric. La Salle is not UNC or Notre Dame. New marketing tagline: Explorers are Never Lost...because we force them to stay at home. More specific to topics on this board, I'm wondering how this impacts basketball. It's not safe for the regular students to be on campus but are the basketball players there so they can practice? Did they setup an NBA-like bubble?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 20, 2020 14:48:40 GMT -5
I'm going to to let this run as long as we don't dive into angry politics. If we do, I'm moving it off this board.
Fascinating to me that after seeing reports of what, dozens of college campuses getting hit with hundreds of COVID cases each in the first weekend of school, you could call this decision "disappointing."
It's not alarmist or disappointing. It's smart. La Salle is primarily a weekend commuter campus. Students coming and going from/to the Philadelphia suburbs and Jersey. That tremendously increases the risk that they both a) bring it to school or b) bring it home.
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Post by big5explorer on Aug 20, 2020 14:52:58 GMT -5
I'm going to to let this run as long as we don't dive into angry politics. If we do, I'm moving it off this board.
Fascinating to me that after seeing reports of what, dozens of college campuses getting hit with hundreds of COVID cases each in the first weekend of school, you could call this decision "disappointing." It's not alarmist or disappointing. It's smart. La Salle is primarily a weekend commuter campus. Students coming and going from/to the Philadelphia suburbs and Jersey. That tremendously increases the risk that they both a) bring it to school or b) bring it home. So how is that risk for a commuter student any different from any of thousands of people in the city still going to work everyday for the last 6 months?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 20, 2020 14:57:48 GMT -5
I’ve worked from home since March. If you can’t do that, you do your best to stay safe.
Non-laboratory-needing students can work remote.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 20, 2020 15:02:43 GMT -5
Fascinating to me that after seeing reports of what, dozens of college campuses getting hit with hundreds of COVID cases each in the first weekend of school, you could call this decision "disappointing." It's not alarmist or disappointing. It's smart. La Salle is primarily a weekend commuter campus. Students coming and going from/to the Philadelphia suburbs and Jersey. That tremendously increases the risk that they both a) bring it to school or b) bring it home. It is alarmist to say "uncontrollable outbreaks" on other college campuses. Where is the data that supports that? Philly cases are down in the past two weeks. While there are "dozens" get hit, there are dozens more that aren't. Why would they assume La Salle, with its low enrollment and ample dorm space, would have the level cases a UNC or Notre Dame would have? You and I will disagree on this, but...having two kids in college in PA..both at schools that are in-person and the majority of their classes in person (and knock wood it stays that way), I see this statement from La Salle as alarmist and see an overall lack of leadership from the administration in properly preparing for this compared to what I am seeing at the other schools where my kids attend.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 20, 2020 15:07:06 GMT -5
I don't see any way around this decision. I could I suppose quibble with the decision to announce on-campus classes at all this semester, but I trust the school did everything they could to try to make that work, it just wasn't going to safely happen.
Better now than 2 weeks from now. 2 weeks ago would have been better of course, but that didn't happen, so here we are.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 20, 2020 15:15:59 GMT -5
Basketball-wise- who knows? I'm guessing the basketball team will be allowed to stay on campus straight through. If not, I'm guessing they'll be allowed back in early October, when practices usually begin.
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Post by las71 on Aug 20, 2020 15:27:32 GMT -5
I choose not to believe that this was a bait and switch, opening campus knowing they would close within a few days. La Salle and many smaller private schools were in a difficult situation facing a decline in enrollment if they went virtual from the beginning. Understanding that I believe that the effort to open was a good faith effort. As more schools close after opening, every institution had to weigh the pros and cons of staying open. La Salle decided to go virtual when remaining open was in it's best interest. I'm sure it was an honest, good faith decision.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 20, 2020 16:11:13 GMT -5
I don't see any way around this decision. I could I suppose quibble with the decision to announce on-campus classes at all this semester, but I trust the school did everything they could to try to make that work, it just wasn't going to safely happen. Better now than 2 weeks from now. 2 weeks ago would have been better of course, but that didn't happen, so here we are. Both Villanova and Duquesne (where my kids go) laid out very clear rules for students' behavior during this including penalties for being at off-campus gatherings, penalties for not wearing the masks, etc. Villanova even made every student returning to campus get a COVID test in the 2 weeks prior to returning (paid for by the school). The kids and parents knew the rules going in and could have opted out if they felt they were too restrictive. Villanova has already sent a few kids home for the semester for violating this (I saw UConn did as well). Those schools aren't letting a few kids violating the rules shut down the experience for everyone and will enforce the conduct rules. La Salle, citing the prospect of this happening, is throwing its hands in the air and saying, "Well...it's inevitable and there's nothing we can do".
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Aug 20, 2020 17:41:41 GMT -5
I wonder what all of the financials look like with this decision. I know a few people who work at Villanova. One of them told me the school could lose upwards of $58 mill with no students on campus this semester. I guess that accounts for room/board/on campus spending etc. Obviously, they have more students, but even if La Salle lost half that much, that could spell big trouble for the future.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 20, 2020 18:50:29 GMT -5
Seems safe
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 20, 2020 18:51:48 GMT -5
even if La Salle lost half that much, that could spell big trouble for the future. 100%. La Salle won’t make it through that without financial assistance.
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Post by 1801olney on Aug 20, 2020 19:16:37 GMT -5
I fear what this means for the future.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 20, 2020 19:37:23 GMT -5
Considering ALL students were tested before coming back to campus...it likely is...or at least as safe as some of what happened around here in June...no?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 20, 2020 20:13:24 GMT -5
Wonder if every one of those students was a Villanova student. Probably, right? No boyfriends or girlfriends there.
And talk about a false equivelency.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 20, 2020 21:08:17 GMT -5
Wonder if every one of those students was a Villanova student. Probably, right? No boyfriends or girlfriends there. And talk about a false equivelency. considering it was day after freshman move-in...I'm guessing all students. And you are correct...it is a false equivalency...I'm guessing everyone running around the streets of Philly in June hadn't had a mandatory COVID test.
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Post by hykos1045 on Aug 20, 2020 21:43:55 GMT -5
I'm going to to let this run as long as we don't dive into angry politics. If we do, I'm moving it off this board.
Fascinating to me that after seeing reports of what, dozens of college campuses getting hit with hundreds of COVID cases each in the first weekend of school, you could call this decision "disappointing." It's not alarmist or disappointing. It's smart. La Salle is primarily a weekend commuter campus. Students coming and going from/to the Philadelphia suburbs and Jersey. That tremendously increases the risk that they both a) bring it to school or b) bring it home. So how is that risk for a commuter student any different from any of thousands of people in the city still going to work everyday for the last 6 months? Not really talking about the commuter population, though. Although the term he used was "weekend commuter" student - I am pretty sure he meant "suitcase schools."
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Post by hykos1045 on Aug 20, 2020 21:59:10 GMT -5
This is why I thought the Ivy League did it right in March and in July. They did take a lot of flack. And in many ways, it's not fair to compare us, as Penn's positioning seems better able to flip a switch, go remote and not have enrollment be gutted. They also just surrendered a full calendar year of sports and not lose tens of millions. Our situation may have been more lose/lose. To have us develop two (or several) plans and then switch them up at the last second must be exhausting, & needless to say this experience was counter productive. Many of us are disagreeing with GlitterBro #2 's stance, but I do now realize he was on to something back when he called us unprepared versus other schools he has family involved with. I didn't want to believe him at the time. I really hoped his warnings were exaggerated. I'm shocked that it was just maybe two cases at Temple, a hundred or so at UNC, and rumors of rampant parties off campus at Villanova and La Salle, that would lead to this. In the original plan, was our expectation really a better scenario than what has occurred? Millions of Americans wrote this summer off, to try and curtail the spread, only to have the cases spike because of a stubborn resistance. Felt like 4th of July or so we saw this trend start though, it's nothing much new in the last week.
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Post by explorerman on Aug 21, 2020 7:36:48 GMT -5
His warnings were exaggerated, it is par the course if you haven’t figured after 3-4 years now... La Salle was very prepared... More prepared than a lot of schools its size.. And just a little hint... Take a look at the profile of LabCorp’s CEO and see if you notice anything say relatable.. I would say he has had a lot of access to high quality minds in American leadership the last few months, no? This is why I thought the Ivy League did it right in March and in July. They did take a lot of flack. And in many ways, it's not fair to compare us, as Penn's positioning seems better able to flip a switch, go remote and not have enrollment be gutted. They also just surrendered a full calendar year of sports and not lose tens of millions. Our situation may have been more lose/lose. To have us develop two (or several) plans and then switch them up at the last second must be exhausting, & needless to say this experience was counter productive. Many of us are disagreeing with GlitterBro #2 's stance, but I do now realize he was on to something back when he called us unprepared versus other schools he has family involved with. I didn't want to believe him at the time. I really hoped his warnings were exaggerated. I'm shocked that it was just maybe two cases at Temple, a hundred or so at UNC, and rumors of rampant parties off campus at Villanova and La Salle, that would lead to this. In the original plan, was our expectation really a better scenario than what has occurred? Millions of Americans wrote this summer off, to try and curtail the spread, only to have the cases spike because of a stubborn resistance. Felt like 4th of July or so we saw this trend start though, it's nothing much new in the last week.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 21, 2020 8:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 21, 2020 9:52:45 GMT -5
I think the fundamental disconnect here is going to be that you believe having students on-campus means they have adequately prepared and evaluated the situation, and others don't believe that is necessarily the case. Any school COULD have kids back on campus right now, it's a question of whether that SHOULD be happening. I lean on the side of no, but I do believe there are some schools who are actually trying the best they can to re-open safely. But just because La Salle isn't doing in-person classes this semester doesn't automatically mean they didn't prepare. It could also mean they did everything they could to adequately prepare, yet still came to the conclusion it's not a good idea.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 21, 2020 10:52:13 GMT -5
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Post by las71 on Aug 21, 2020 10:58:23 GMT -5
La Salle and St. Joe's are two of many smaller private schools that were facing shrinking enrollment prior to the virus. Sadly, opening for these schools was a necessity. Many of the smaller colleges in the Philadelphia area are opening. They are doing so because they believe they have to in order to survive. Schools like Swarthmore and other heavily endowed institutions are better able to withstand the pandemic. I fear for the survival of many local schools and I empathize with the administrators at those schools who sadly struggle with the science of opening or closing because of the economics. I suspect the shrinking number of available students, the cost of private education and now the virus will cause some schools to permanently close. I worry about our Alma Mater.
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Post by calsufan on Aug 21, 2020 11:02:44 GMT -5
I think the fundamental disconnect here is going to be that you believe having students on-campus means they have adequately prepared and evaluated the situation, and others don't believe that is necessarily the case. Any school COULD have kids back on campus right now, it's a question of whether that SHOULD be happening. I lean on the side of no, but I do believe there are some schools who are actually trying the best they can to re-open safely. But just because La Salle isn't doing in-person classes this semester doesn't automatically mean they didn't prepare. It could also mean they did everything they could to adequately prepare, yet still came to the conclusion it's not a good idea. I think this pretty much nailed it.
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Post by explorerman on Aug 21, 2020 11:03:20 GMT -5
If anyone thinks this virus is over.. I have some unfortunate reminders.. I know 120 days ago is a long time but the Fall and Winter are coming with it another and probably larger wave... ie what Scoot Gottlieb just said this morning.. Probably one of the most connected people in the health world today...
Independent of what Scott said this AM.. Literally just 4 months ago, the leading health minds AND the President himself said the virus was going to take a breather during the summer due to the science behind the sustainablity and effectiveness of the droplets during the Summer months. Guess what kids Summer is ending shortly.. Temperatures are falling and the virus is leeady much more wide spread compared to 8 months ago.. So you tell me what information do you want to go on? A declining case rate due largely to a collapse in testing.. A national positivity still north of 5% (which is bad).. at a time in the very near future where droplets from virus are about to become stronger.. And you are going to trust 18-21 year olds to make right decisions (see above) yeah good luck.. So far it hasn’t gone well.. And, finally, go luck to the schools that are going to have find the money to pay damages because little Johnny died or came away with a permanent disability (A risk 5x more likely than fatality which sadly deaths seems to be the only thing people care about).. No insurance is stepping in front of these claims... Nevermind the reputational harm.. A waiver isn’t going to save you.
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