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Post by las71 on May 6, 2020 14:58:28 GMT -5
I read the President's letter and found it to be a thorough presentation of the issues with which our Alma mater is dealing. These are perilous times and I hope that many of us will increase our donations where possible. I feel for those who have suffered due to Covid 19 be it physically, economically or both. My hope is that older alums who may not be feeling the economic impact can help just a little more this year. I know even older alums may have to help family members first as we should but maybe we can also help our second family, La Salle University. Good luck to all!
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Post by MisterD on May 6, 2020 15:08:58 GMT -5
One school's message seemed to indicate to me...as a consumer... What if she views you more as an "alumnus" than a "consumer" and addressed you as such?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 6, 2020 20:25:47 GMT -5
One school's message seemed to indicate to me...as a consumer... What if she views you more as an "alumnus" than a "consumer" and addressed you as such? Then it's short-sighted
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 6, 2020 21:36:58 GMT -5
For you specifically who is debating sending their child to La Salle vs La Salle's closest competitor but not for 99% of other people receiving that email.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 7, 2020 8:30:34 GMT -5
For you specifically who is debating sending their child to La Salle vs La Salle's closest competitor but not for 99% of other people receiving that email. All alumns can be consumers. Now or in the future. Many of us here are consumers of the basketball "product", paid events on campus, merchandise, etc.
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Post by MisterD on May 7, 2020 8:40:56 GMT -5
I simply cannot imagine, even in the craziest possible alternate universe, a reverse situation where you'd complain that alumni emails serve as nothing more than a revenue-generation tool.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 7, 2020 13:26:49 GMT -5
I simply cannot imagine, even in the craziest possible alternate universe, a reverse situation where you'd complain that alumni emails serve as nothing more than a revenue-generation tool. The email wasn't just to alums, but to all members of the La Salle "family". Current students and parents (who are also consumers). But..let's face it...alumni emails are, at heart, revenue generation tools - the glossy alumni magazine comes every time with an envelope in it for the annual appeal. You want alums on campus for events (that have ticket prices), buying things in the bookstore, etc., so you send emails about it and communicate about it. Do you really think those communications are just to be nice to alums and there is no ulterior motive to drive engagement and therefore revenue?
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Post by LaSallePal on May 8, 2020 12:43:43 GMT -5
I simply cannot imagine, even in the craziest possible alternate universe, a reverse situation where you'd complain that alumni emails serve as nothing more than a revenue-generation tool. The email wasn't just to alums, but to all members of the La Salle "family". Current students and parents (who are also consumers). But..let's face it...alumni emails are, at heart, revenue generation tools - the glossy alumni magazine comes every time with an envelope in it for the annual appeal. You want alums on campus for events (that have ticket prices), buying things in the bookstore, etc., so you send emails about it and communicate about it. Do you really think those communications are just to be nice to alums and there is no ulterior motive to drive engagement and therefore revenue? University communications are revenue generation tools the same way your wife is a baby making machine. Sure, it maybe true in the literal sense sometimes, but tell Mrs. Glitterbro that and you will feel the sting of why context and nuance is vitally important. You're really good at stripping things down in an amusingly vulgar way, but if this was how you really thought you'd be sending your kid to community college - as a strict value oriented consumer blind to the greater value of things hard to measure in dollar amounts, it's clearly and objectively the best value for money proposition. Better yet, you can save even most of that by forcing Glitter Jr. to study on Khan Academy to test out of half his undergrad classes. Thereafter, Rowan/West Chester/CUNY awaits. You also would not have donated to be on whatever university-related boards you're on if you thought this was a strict consumer-type transaction because you wouldn't have taken any interest in the university after graduating. Clearly there is some intangible secret sauce involved bringing you back in this manner, despite talking about this like it's your local Walmart. This notion of student-as-consumer is also why so many universities found themselves in a perilous position even before this generation defining moment. The entire proposition of a university is by definition elitist, and yet so many universities capitulate to your worldview and allow the "consumers" to define the terms by which they become (intellectually) elite and by extension the entire underlying understanding of what a university should be. As a result, the elite... aren't, and the consumers are shortchanged by this expensive bait and switch.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 8, 2020 14:14:59 GMT -5
You also would not have donated to be on whatever university-related boards you're on I'm on two boards with La Salle - the Alumni Board, and the Computer Science Advisory Board. Neither was bought into by donating. The former was from a vote amongst alums. The latter was through relationships with faculty from having been a grad of the masters program and former adjunct faculty member in it, along with the industry where I work. We can get into the other pieces of your statements about consumerism and purposes of universities, or the false equivalencies of comparing marketing materials and donations to women as baby factories at another time. But to be clear, no one to my knowledge, on the boards I am involved with, donates money for the sole privilege of donating their time and energy back to La Salle, and to suggest that minimizes the service that a lot of people give to the school and the students.
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Post by LaSallePal on May 8, 2020 19:06:09 GMT -5
You also would not have donated to be on whatever university-related boards you're on I'm on two boards with La Salle - the Alumni Board, and the Computer Science Advisory Board. Neither was bought into by donating. The former was from a vote amongst alums. The latter was through relationships with faculty from having been a grad of the masters program and former adjunct faculty member in it, along with the industry where I work. We can get into the other pieces of your statements about consumerism and purposes of universities, or the false equivalencies of comparing marketing materials and donations to women as baby factories at another time. But to be clear, no one to my knowledge, on the boards I am involved with, donates money for the sole privilege of donating their time and energy back to La Salle, and to suggest that minimizes the service that a lot of people give to the school and the students. You mention donating often, I erroneously connected the two dots. I apologize for the mistake, but it's definitely not an uncommon thing to see. (link) Otherwise, there's also the fact that presumably you value your time. You give a finite non-renewable resource to an organization which you've likened to a mere instrument of consumption with presumably little to no ostensible return. You must do this for some other reason... perhaps a non-monetary intangible attachment. I'm not denigrating any of this by any means - volunteer work is the lubricant that keeps the world running. I'm just laying out the facts and contradictions as I see them. To that end, you can pretty easily say here "yes I believe a university is more than a place for what I consider an education" or "no a university's sole purpose is to educate the consumer." I'm not really surprised you didn't respond to that underlying proposition initially, so I laid it out for you there just like I intentionally laid bare the false equivalency you made with a more obvious false equivalency involving the mother of your budding consumer, to which you responded to by... pointing it out. Otherwise you've just dodged what I said by declining to respond to an analysis of what you said with anything other than "another time" even though you're the reason it's up for discussion. Ironically I don't think we even disagree on a lot of this, but you're approaching this from the notion that this is what a university ought to be, and my response is that a university could be so much more - and the great ones are. At the very least, in addition to educating the student it ought to foster connection (both with students and alumni), open up new opportunities, and create memorable experiences. Again, if you didn't believe in at least some of these things, you wouldn't donate your time and money to the university, and you wouldn't be seeking out similar positive growth experiences - the same ones you presumably had - for your son.
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Post by gymrat67 on May 9, 2020 1:18:23 GMT -5
THIS !
Thank You, LaSalle Class of 2020
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Post by big5explorer on May 9, 2020 9:00:09 GMT -5
THIS ! Thank You, LaSalle Class of 2020
La_Salle. ;-) Nice video! Can't stop watching it. This should sit atop the main webpage for La Salle Athletics and not be moved for a year.
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Post by explorer88 on May 9, 2020 9:29:00 GMT -5
THIS ! Thank You, LaSalle Class of 2020
La_Salle. ;-) Nice video! Well done. The ones running La Salle social media continue to just kill it! G once told the crowd at the basketball banquet, La Salle may not have the best coach but I know we have the best academic advisor in Christine Cahill. We might have to add this group to our best of stable. They continue to impress.
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Post by calsufan on May 9, 2020 10:37:28 GMT -5
Absolutely killer video! It brought a tear to my eye. Very well done!
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Post by luhoopsfan on May 9, 2020 11:00:34 GMT -5
This video is worthy of its own thread.
The young woman commenting on never taking anything for granted because you never know when it’s your last time on the field made those onions I was cutting really kick in.
This should be the opening intro for every recruiting call for every sport. What an incredible piece. I’ve never been more proud to be an alumni athlete.
We will survive. We will thrive. We are La Salle.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jun 10, 2020 18:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by glorydays on Jun 11, 2020 5:13:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately, these moves to be more efficient are a fact of life...if we don't do this kind of stuff now we might not even be around later. Still painful.
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Post by hoopsguest on Jun 11, 2020 7:57:12 GMT -5
it says vacant positions left unfilled/cut. For the purposes of this basketball board does it mean Kenny is not replaced and that they move Horace Owens back to an assistant's role from his spot as an advisor?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jun 11, 2020 8:33:04 GMT -5
I'd wager they fill the first assistant spot.
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Post by explorer88 on Jun 11, 2020 10:17:27 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jun 11, 2020 11:02:46 GMT -5
interesting link. and wow....there are 28 positions for adjunct faculty open.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 11, 2020 11:08:34 GMT -5
• Coaching and/or playing experience at a collegiate or professional level.
Wonder if someone from this board got the underlined portion added.
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Post by 23won on Jun 11, 2020 15:09:21 GMT -5
Additional Preferred Qualifications: Proven track record of winning in an attic.
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Post by calsufan on Jun 11, 2020 15:43:39 GMT -5
• Coaching and/or playing experience at a collegiate or professional level.Wonder if someone from this board got the underlined portion added. Damn you to hell, MisterD. I bet you at least half of the board (including myself) were all set to apply until you pointed that out.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jun 11, 2020 15:47:47 GMT -5
• Coaching and/or playing experience at a collegiate or professional level.Wonder if someone from this board got the underlined portion added. Maybe Tim Legler
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jun 12, 2020 18:12:53 GMT -5
Interesting post today from someone who just retired from the Chemistry Department. Not sure why a retired professor still has posting access to a University Facebook page (or why he spelled "La Salle" incorrectly). Attachment Deleted
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Post by weston2 on Jun 19, 2020 10:38:40 GMT -5
For you specifically who is debating sending their child to La Salle vs La Salle's closest competitor but not for 99% of other people receiving that email. All alumns can be consumers. Now or in the future. Many of us here are consumers of the basketball "product", paid events on campus, merchandise, etc. www.pymnts.com/loans/2020/united-states-consumers-defer-payments-more-than-100-million-loans/It would be about time for students/parent to think like consumers. 79 million student loans. Colleges are pushing an over-priced product and students/parents are making bad choices. And colleges have no skin in the game, basically "bookies". Loan forgiveness? on who's plate?
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Post by ltrain38 on Jun 19, 2020 15:23:14 GMT -5
All alumns can be consumers. Now or in the future. Many of us here are consumers of the basketball "product", paid events on campus, merchandise, etc. www.pymnts.com/loans/2020/united-states-consumers-defer-payments-more-than-100-million-loans/It would be about time for students/parent to think like consumers. 79 million student loans. Colleges are pushing an over-priced product and students/parents are making bad choices. And colleges have no skin in the game, basically "bookies". Loan forgiveness? on who's plate? They already think like consumers, that's a part of the problem. Colleges got into an arms race that had very little to do with the quality of education. An undergraduate education has been both marketed as necessary (which if you aren't talented in mechanical trades, it is) and as a right of passage. Demand rose regardless of price and the "experience" part drove up spending on everything but faculty and books at pretty much every university in the country. They've been consumers, but buying a product they would pay for in five years, and thus hand-waiving the price. Of course, from a classroom standpoint, the consumer mindset is a disaster, but that's another question. How do you teach a customer?
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Post by big5explorer on Jun 20, 2020 8:33:03 GMT -5
..... Of course, from a classroom standpoint, the consumer mindset is a disaster, but that's another question. How do you teach a customer? How do you teach a consumer? Tutors do it, often effectively, and most don't have to dole out formal grades. Maybe that is a model to consider for some higher education. Or, how about an inexpensive national, and certified, compendium of online courses, with testing done throughout the course to test for comprehension before the student moves to the next module/class. Do it pass/fail. Offer a National college degree at the end. Is it an "old school" education? Nope. Could it be an inexpensive, meaningful and effective way to get a higher degree? Perhaps.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jun 20, 2020 9:08:10 GMT -5
So, I think online education is pretty clearly a worse model, but that would certainly bring the cost of the credential down. And a national university system of some sort is probably part of how you control prices, by offering a high quality, low-cost alternative with some prestige. But a massive online system could force a ton of existing colleges and universities to close (maybe including La Salle) or else slash what they do to the point of not being recognizable as a university. If the system worked, applicants and students enrolling in most universities would fall significantly. The top research universities and small liberal arts schools would come out of it fine, but small private universities would almost certainly face way harder decisions than they do now. I could see La Salle coming out the other side of that as an entirely non-residential business school. That's fine if we see education as only a transaction - paying for a piece of paper that opens up employment possibilities, but that school would mean nothing to me (well, the non-residential part doesn't actually bother me). This system would consolidate education in a way that would destroy what little remains of the academic job market and in the long-term, it would discourage most people from developing the expertise at the graduate level that's required to teach at universities. Even if you we don't value the universities themselves, a ton of Ph.D.s apply their skills in tech and public policy fields, but most got the degree intending to go into academia at least at first, so it could dry up some important avenues to develop talent. It solves the cost problem in the short term while accelerating some of the long-term damaging results of it.
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