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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 30, 2020 16:01:01 GMT -5
Would love to see that chart broken down by job sector.
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 30, 2020 20:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Apr 30, 2020 22:23:32 GMT -5
This thread is off the rails. (and I still can't figure out to add a gif)
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Post by calsufan on May 1, 2020 8:28:05 GMT -5
This thread is off the rails. (and I still can't figure out to add a gif)
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 1, 2020 11:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 1, 2020 14:32:15 GMT -5
It's a math problem.
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Post by gymrat67 on May 1, 2020 15:50:50 GMT -5
This thread is off the rails. (and I still can't figure out to add a gif)
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Post by calsufan on May 1, 2020 19:10:39 GMT -5
Another good movie gymrat67.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 1, 2020 20:25:21 GMT -5
If you assume that no one crosses between counties to work and only stays in and interacts with people in their home county, it's a math problem.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 2, 2020 6:08:20 GMT -5
If you assume that no one crosses between counties to work and only stays in and interacts with people in their home county, it's a math problem. If only government operated based on your feels as opposed to data this would be figured out.
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Post by gymrat67 on May 2, 2020 11:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 2, 2020 15:49:54 GMT -5
If you assume that no one crosses between counties to work and only stays in and interacts with people in their home county, it's a math problem. If only government operated based on your feels as opposed to data this would be figured out. I just wish the PA Governor would, or would share his data that 44 other governors didn't seem to have in declaring real estate was a non-essential service (NJ and DE, along with the federal government declared it essential). Maybe he was operating on feels...that's what the 30,000 members of the Pennsylvania Association of Realtors’ seems to think anyway. Draconian? Nah..perfectly legit decision.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 2, 2020 18:58:40 GMT -5
I agree with the gov that doing home inspections and showings was a bad idea.
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Post by MisterD on May 2, 2020 20:19:54 GMT -5
I too would be mad if my state had 33% more people than NJ but 1/3 the death count.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 2, 2020 20:24:42 GMT -5
Liberate Coldwell Banker
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Post by MisterD on May 2, 2020 20:45:37 GMT -5
Gadsden flag but the snake is shopping for flooring at a non-chain location.
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Post by calsufan on May 2, 2020 21:17:42 GMT -5
I too would be mad if my state had 33% more people than NJ but 1/3 the death count.
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Post by jellybean on May 3, 2020 9:14:18 GMT -5
Taking this on a different track if you don't mind. Last I saw the endowment was $85 million in 2018. Have not seen 2019 reports and the school stopped sending anything on development in the La Salle Magazine a while.
I seem to recall that one of the things the BOT wanted Bro. Mike to do was get the endowment over $100 million. That was many years ago. A friend/alum told me that at some point in the last 15 years, SJU (PA) and La Salle had the same size endowments. Today SJU (PA) has $279 million.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 3, 2020 9:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by big5explorer on May 5, 2020 12:22:00 GMT -5
I agree with the gov that doing home inspections and showings was a bad idea. Speaking of math, what math or data is available to show that doing home inspections or showings was a bad idea? What data is available showing closing a golf course or a beach will improve outcomes in a pandemic?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 5, 2020 16:50:31 GMT -5
I agree with the gov that doing home inspections and showings was a bad idea. Speaking of math, what math or data is available to show that doing home inspections or showings was a bad idea? What data is available showing closing a golf course or a beach will improve outcomes in a pandemic? The downside of being more cautious isn’t death.
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Post by MisterD on May 5, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -5
This can be framed however, but the OPEN NOW equation isn’t “might I die”, it’s “how many of them might die”.
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Post by luhoopsfan on May 5, 2020 20:45:29 GMT -5
It takes a simpleton mindset to believe that only one layer of risk exists - and that to address that risk, at the expense of all others, is an act of virtue.
I avoid political discourse at all costs, and most certainly as much as possible within La Salle basketball discussions. The debate here has gone awry and Jellybean asks a very important question about endowment and survival of the University. I saw an article a few weeks prior about some Federal $$making their way to 20th and Olney, that’s good.
I also see the Texas State University system is expecting to open in the fall. If I were a high school senior that had been accepted to one of those schools but chose another school that may/may not fully open in the fall, I would certainly consider reaching out to see if I could still attend. The lesson here is, Texas could very well receive a major lift in attendance simply by being an option and these are some massive institutions that require a ton of coordination to operate. Not to imply that La Salle is an easy ship to steer, but smaller schools like La Salle are generally able to be more nimble. If La Salle were to commit early to opening, they may very well find a surge of interest or expanded commitment.
I won’t get into the “data and science” arguments leading the way here, but if you’re smart, read enough and understand statistics it’s fairly easy to envision a scenario where a virus exists that for 99% of the populace is a minor to non-event. Perhaps even 99.5% of the population. If that were to truly be the case, being ahead on the commitment to offering a real college experience could have long reaching benefits for the University and preserving its future.
For those of you ready to drop the “but if we could save just one life” line on me I ask first of all if you believe that’s what your PA/NY/NJ/CT governor has done. And if so, then why would the governor order be to return COVID patients to nursing homes when the “data and science” from the earliest days clearly showed that the highest risk to hospital overrun and mortality was exponentially raised in people that reside in nursing homes. Is there risk? There’s always been risk, when did we decide that we can only live our lives in a zero-risk environment?
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Post by MisterD on May 5, 2020 20:52:55 GMT -5
Not to be dismissive of the long post, but right now almost 6% of confirmed US cases are dead. That either means (1) once you add in hospitalizations it’s not a minor event for anywhere close to 99% or (2) our testing is so incomplete/insufficient that it’s impossible to draw a conclusion of “let’s go back out there now” on anything other than hope and/or a concern for the economy over actual humans.
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Post by luhoopsfan on May 5, 2020 21:25:59 GMT -5
Taking # deaths which may be COVID, “May” = because CDC says they include deaths that might be COVID but didn’t test positive and in fact have 2 separate case codes for death classification that distinguishes between two types, divided by # of positive tests is not how you determine the severity.
Multiple global serology studies have shown significantly more cases of people with the antibodies from COVID than those tested for COVID. NYC estimate is actually north of 20% of the population having the virus, which is nowhere near the number of positive tests. For many many people the virus is basically a mild cold to perhaps a sick day or two. How do I say that? If their illness was more severe, they likely would seek a physician, but if not all that noticeable or severe, likeliest of getting tested is somewhat low. Boston’s study supports the idea that as much as 30% of the area has had the virus. Hospitals weren’t overrun, some people went there and some died sadly. The denominator for the fractions of people requiring hospitalization and risk for mortality is much higher than the # you see on the NYT dashboards. If we went out and tested 10,000,000 people tomorrow just to test them, all it’s going to do is tell us how many people have the virus but that doesn’t mean they are “ill”, at risk of dying or needing a hospital. It just tells us how many people have it and if we found 300,000 people tomorrow with it, but the number of people seeking medical care is ~ 0 then all we have done is find out more people have it than we tested yesterday. This is how I make the statement that for 99.x% of the population this is a non-event.
Stay away from nursing homes, if you have elderly parents, stay away from them and tell them maybe to skip the crowded restaurant during cold and flu season, same thing if you or your loved ones are immune compromised - I have family in all these categories. do some reading about how they started treating and helping stop the Spanish flu, sunlight and fresh air are nature’s disinfectant. Go outside, exercise, wash your hands, wipe down door knobs, don’t take candy from strangers. Basic things can also keep us safe without killing everything else around us.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, I’m sorry for upsetting some of you with my opinion but it’s how I read the data. See you al at Homecoming.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 6, 2020 6:36:12 GMT -5
Let’s take some cues from the Spanish flu where (checks notes) 50 million people died.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 6, 2020 7:06:12 GMT -5
Let’s take some cues from the Spanish flu where (checks notes) 50 million people died. Because healthcare was practiced EXACTLY the same way then. There have been no medical innovations since then like vaccines, antibiotics, ventilators, and the like. Come on Joe...that's lazy. A lot more women...and babies..died in child birth then too. Are you going to compare those numbers? Since you wanted to make this a math problem...let's do it. Population of the US being 330M. High side estimates have 150,000 people dying from this. Translating that to Gola numbers (for a sold out game of 3400 people) - you're talking 1-2 people in that crowd dying from this. And locking down the other 3398 because of 2 people...and you're OK with that..using that as the ONLY factor and discounting all other factors and things affecting those other 3398.
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Post by theneumann64 on May 6, 2020 8:06:16 GMT -5
If government had done nothing, the economy would have tanked due to Coronavirus. No mandated shutdowns, no stay-at-home orders, nothing. People were still going to severely limit their travel- meaning canceling flights, hotel rooms, cruises etc. A lot of people, not all, but a significant amount (even if it's half of the roughly 60 percent who are worried the government will act to quickly to remove the restrictions currently in place), were going to stop going to restaurants, movie theatres, shopping malls. That's to say nothing of the companies that would have made the independent decisions to shut down or go to a delivery or by appointment only approach. Colleges would have closed or gone to distance learning for the semester.
And a lot more people would have died. Maybe the hit on the economy would have been blunted somewhat (and I guess we could argue over the extent), but the virus was going to devastate the economy regardless of how much, or how little, the government did in terms of shutdowns. In this scenario, using the personal choice we're told is the answer to all of this, a ton of people would have made the personal choice to do exactly what we're doing now.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 6, 2020 8:14:38 GMT -5
Let’s take some cues from the Spanish flu where (checks notes) 50 million people died. Because healthcare was practiced EXACTLY the same way then. There have been no medical innovations since then like vaccines, antibiotics, ventilators, and the like. Come on Joe...that's lazy. A lot more women...and babies..died in child birth then too. Are you going to compare those numbers? I'm not getting into how many deaths are ok to save the economy question because I think it's insane but just noting that I wasn't the one that brought up the Spanish flu idea where we just need sunlight and fresh air (or is that the healthcare improvements you are talking about?). That was above ^^^
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Post by MisterD on May 6, 2020 8:31:47 GMT -5
Is childbirth deaths mentioned to illustrate another area the US ranks shockingly poor relative to most other first world countries mostly due to choice?
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