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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 28, 2020 10:06:12 GMT -5
Well if WalletHub says so...then it must be accurate. Im going to guess you didn’t read it because if you read their methodology you wouldn’t be saying that.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 10:57:53 GMT -5
Well if WalletHub says so...then it must be accurate. Im going to guess you didn’t read it because if you read their methodology you wouldn’t be saying that. You are going to guess incorrectly then. Read it. Their "methodology" not withstanding, when I hear from my friend who sits next to me at games that he can't have his small flooring store that maybe has 3 or 4 people in there at a time open for business for 2 months, but hundreds of people can go into Home Depot or Lowe's and make similar purchases...the arbitrary rules for what businesses can open and when in PA feel Draconian, especially compared to neighboring states (home construction for example...stopped in PA...on in NJ). I was hoping we could get some discussion on the impact of this to schools, sports, admissions, plans in motion prior to this ...particularly how it affects a school like La Salle that are not flush with cash and and survive on tuition-driven operating income. If you want to have a broader discussion on the politics of comparisons of the various quarantine issues, we could move that to the non-basketball section.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 28, 2020 11:17:08 GMT -5
You’re the one that injected non-sports discussion into this. Hope your friend got a PPP loan.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 12:22:15 GMT -5
Hope your friend got a PPP loan. ...which may not have been necessary if his store was in NJ or if common sense had been applied in PA as to which stores/businesses could stay open or closed. Thank you...you just proved my point for me.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 28, 2020 12:26:55 GMT -5
Common sense like beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Put a little less delicately, opinions are like a**holes, we all have one.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2020 12:46:43 GMT -5
Hope your friend got a PPP loan. ...which may not have been necessary if his store was in NJ or if common sense had been applied in PA as to which stores/businesses could stay open or closed. Thank you...you just proved my point for me. Hey man, want to hear about our class dad who died or just want to whine about the fucking economy?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 14:29:32 GMT -5
...which may not have been necessary if his store was in NJ or if common sense had been applied in PA as to which stores/businesses could stay open or closed. Thank you...you just proved my point for me. Hey man, want to hear about our class dad who died or just want to whine about the fucking economy? That's a broad leap to make from saying the Draconian decisions of the PA governor to whining about the economy. I brought up an economic example (not whining, but stating a fact), but could just as easily brought up the example of the decision in PA to close schools permanently in early April rather than waiting for more data that was continually becoming available (which NJ is doing regarding school closures). It could well be that the data would say...yes..stay closed through the end of the year, but that decision did not need to be made 2 months in advance with evolving data models. It was a non-data driven decision. Maybe the data would have said to open up and finish schools after Memorial Day...but no one knew at the time the decision was made. That was my point in discussing the PA governor's decisions....because his history shows that he will pull the trigger on closures without data...and that COULD affect La Salle's fall enrollment at a time when the school enrolled below its targets for 2019-2020. The reality is...there is an economic impact of this to schools like La Salle, and admissions offices and college administrators are struggling with it. Parents deciding where to send their kids are struggling with it, and if they can even afford it with the current economic climate. If PA stays "closed" (yeah there is online learning, but most people don't go to college to sit in their bedroom and interact on Zoom) for no data-driven reason, but colleges in surrounding states are open, don't you think this feels like a Draconian decision from the PA governor?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 15:00:17 GMT -5
Today show story this morning about this topic. www.today.com/video/will-colleges-reopen-in-the-fall-82668101962The story cites a study showing that 1 in 5 high school seniors no longer plans to enroll in college in the fall. Assuming La Salle is in the same boat statistically has a target of 800 incoming freshmen they were going to hit...that means they are now at 640. The 160 not enrolling leaves the school short at least $5.5M in tuition revenue they were expecting, not to mention room and board revenue, impact to school spirit, etc. Does that mean layoffs to staff or professors, and if so, what does that look like as an educational experience for the remaining students? Seats behind the basket becomes a less important question than asking if we would even have students to put in those seats.
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Post by big5explorer on Apr 28, 2020 15:06:46 GMT -5
...which may not have been necessary if his store was in NJ or if common sense had been applied in PA as to which stores/businesses could stay open or closed. Thank you...you just proved my point for me. Hey man, want to hear about our class dad who died or just want to whine about the fucking economy? So you are saying we should wait until no one is dying to open up the Mom & Pop stores? Until then, shop at Walmart and Home Depot.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2020 15:25:27 GMT -5
Its always refreshing when someone totally understands the point you were trying to make. See you at Walmart later.
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Post by big5explorer on Apr 28, 2020 15:53:48 GMT -5
Its always refreshing when someone totally understands the point you were trying to make. See you at Walmart later. Sorry that I misunderstood your point. I thought you were implying we should wait until people are no longer dying from this. Did you mean, we shouldn't worry about the economy until no one is dying among the groups of people we personally know? Or people we know, who know other people who died, and once they don't die, we should open small businesses? I'm probably still misunderstanding. Feel free to explain.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2020 15:59:26 GMT -5
"Let pop open his flooring business and risk death" versus "force pop to close his flooring business and go bankrupt" is a false binary.
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Post by big5explorer on Apr 28, 2020 17:02:01 GMT -5
"Let pop open his flooring business and risk death" versus "force pop to close his flooring business and go bankrupt" is a false binary. How so? What is in between?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 17:15:18 GMT -5
"Let pop open his flooring business and risk death" versus "force pop to close his flooring business and go bankrupt" is a false binary. or... "Let pop make his own educated, risk-based decisions as to whether he keeps his store open or closed, following appropriate social distancing and sanitizing guidelines that the larger business are allowed to do." Then it's not a binary.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 28, 2020 17:45:53 GMT -5
It’s probably no secret to anyone where I’d land on the social distancing guidelines, but I do have to say I think Glitter’s post about the impact of COVID on the school is worth having, and is getting buried in all this.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2020 18:01:59 GMT -5
"Let pop make his own educated, risk-based decisions as to whether he keeps his store open or closed, following appropriate social distancing and sanitizing guidelines that the larger business are allowed to do." 1. No one who runs a flooring shop (or any other local business) has the necessary knowledge and information to know how to safely proceed in a deadly pandemic. 2. Most workers are not ownership, but labor, who effectively lose all choice if its left up to owners to make decisions.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2020 18:04:13 GMT -5
And just to head this off ...
3. If you think pandemic safety response is up to the citizens and not the experts, we have nowhere to go with this whole debate.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 28, 2020 18:20:58 GMT -5
And just to head this off ... 3. If you think pandemic safety response is up to the citizens and not the experts, we have nowhere to go with this whole debate. ...except to Sweden where they didn't put Draconian restrictions in place. Why are the people who work a Home Depot or Lowe's more "experts" than mom or pop about how to clean their stores and enforce social distancing with smaller numbers of customers? Well...the good news is..looks like Pop can use his forced time off to go to the beach in New Jersey on Memorial Day whyy.org/articles/ocean-city-n-j-officials-say-they-are-planning-for-a-partial-opening-for-memorial-day/
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Post by weston2 on Apr 28, 2020 18:55:36 GMT -5
Remember after you get that tattoo you can go over to the golf course for a round. You've got a friend in Pennsylvania.🙄 Amazing....
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Post by MisterD on Apr 28, 2020 19:30:19 GMT -5
...except to Sweden where they didn't put Draconian restrictions in place. Starting to get a real “Word of the Day” calendar vibe here. Why are the people who work a Home Depot or Lowe's more "experts" than mom or pop about how to clean their stores and enforce social distancing with smaller numbers of customers? What, of anything I’ve written now or ever, would make you think I believe Home Depot should be open for walk-in flooring customers? Well...the good news is..looks like Pop can use his forced time off to go to the beach in New Jersey on Memorial Day Hope he wears sunscreen.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 29, 2020 6:51:15 GMT -5
And just to head this off ... 3. If you think pandemic safety response is up to the citizens and not the experts, we have nowhere to go with this whole debate. consider too. AIDS was classified a pandemic virus...like COVID. When AIDS hit, did people shelter in place and stop having sex until a cure was found? No (maybe because people wanted sex more than they wanted to go into their offices...but that's a different debate). What they did do was take appropriate individual safety precautions when continuing their sexual activities..especially those parts of the population most at risk to the virus (like the elderly and immunocompromised are right now). At some level, taking appropriate safety responses IS up to the citizens, based on guidance from the "experts". Guidance has been out there for some time now on how to social distance and how to sanitize surfaces, packages, etc., and at some point we assume a certain level of risk in any activity we do in life with the safety precautions in place. If you think people's personal safety is entirely upon the purview of the government with no responsibility upon the individual, we have nowhere to go with this whole debate.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 29, 2020 6:59:35 GMT -5
Comparing anything to our government's initial response to the AIDS crisis
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 29, 2020 8:11:29 GMT -5
And just to head this off ... 3. If you think pandemic safety response is up to the citizens and not the experts, we have nowhere to go with this whole debate. consider too. AIDS was classified a pandemic virus...like COVID. When AIDS hit, did people shelter in place and stop having sex until a cure was found? No (maybe because people wanted sex more than they wanted to go into their offices...but that's a different debate). What they did do was take appropriate individual safety precautions when continuing their sexual activities..especially those parts of the population most at risk to the virus (like the elderly and immunocompromised are right now). At some level, taking appropriate safety responses IS up to the citizens, based on guidance from the "experts". Guidance has been out there for some time now on how to social distance and how to sanitize surfaces, packages, etc., and at some point we assume a certain level of risk in any activity we do in life with the safety precautions in place. If you think people's personal safety is entirely upon the purview of the government with no responsibility upon the individual, we have nowhere to go with this whole debate. The issue is this a contagious disease. Your personal choices regarding exposing yourself directly affect other people's chances of catching it. So it's not the same as other diseases or car accidents or drug use, etc. You might think it's safe to drive 150 miles an hour on the highway, and that you understand the risks associated with driving that fast, but we have rules against that because it doesn't just impact you if you plow into a school bus. The AIDS thing I'm not gonna get into. I've typed and deleted a response on that a few times, but there are certainly parallels between how our government handled that and COVID, but they're not positive.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 29, 2020 10:16:08 GMT -5
Comparing anything to our government's initial response to the AIDS crisis Good point. Also love the movie!
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Post by MisterD on Apr 29, 2020 10:22:12 GMT -5
Remember to use your legs, not your back, Glitter.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 30, 2020 12:07:27 GMT -5
Yeah comparisons to AIDS are ridiculous...just ask these doctors: www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/don-emery-coronavirus-chester-county-hospital-aids-san-francisco-20200429.htmlFrom AIDS to coronavirus, one Chester County doctor has seen it all“For a four-month period, I was personally diagnosing every case of AIDS in San Francisco,” he said. “I was giving 10 to 12 people a death sentence every day.”
Christine Emery, who works as a radiologist at Christiana Hospital in Delaware, recalls the darkness of that era. “I lost many people that I knew, as did Don,” she said.
There have been plenty of echoes from the early days of the AIDS epidemic during the first few months of the coronavirus pandemic — the race for a cure, the creeping sense of paranoia, the challenge medical professionals face in trying to persuade the public to avoid spreading the virus.
“The reason it feels similar is that [COVID-19] was something that came out of the blue, and we don’t really know all of what we’re dealing with,” Don Emery said. “We see different manifestations every day.”
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 30, 2020 12:37:34 GMT -5
Yeah comparisons to AIDS are ridiculous...just ask these doctors: www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/don-emery-coronavirus-chester-county-hospital-aids-san-francisco-20200429.htmlFrom AIDS to coronavirus, one Chester County doctor has seen it all“For a four-month period, I was personally diagnosing every case of AIDS in San Francisco,” he said. “I was giving 10 to 12 people a death sentence every day.”
Christine Emery, who works as a radiologist at Christiana Hospital in Delaware, recalls the darkness of that era. “I lost many people that I knew, as did Don,” she said.
There have been plenty of echoes from the early days of the AIDS epidemic during the first few months of the coronavirus pandemic — the race for a cure, the creeping sense of paranoia, the challenge medical professionals face in trying to persuade the public to avoid spreading the virus.
“The reason it feels similar is that [COVID-19] was something that came out of the blue, and we don’t really know all of what we’re dealing with,” Don Emery said. “We see different manifestations every day.”I think the point we're making is that our government's response to the AIDS epidemic was utterly disgraceful and we certainly shouldn't be taking cues from what we did then as an example of anything except for what NOT to do.
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Post by MisterD on Apr 30, 2020 12:39:54 GMT -5
Also somewhat important to note is that in the first stages of the AIDS epidemic, there weren't industry conferences where 175 people attended and 100 left with AIDS.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 30, 2020 15:48:04 GMT -5
If you think I'm comparing the government's response to the 2 viruses, then you've missed the point, which is that people's behaviors changed in response to the virus to reduce their risk of contracting it and protect themselves. The same can happen with COVID-19, and we should be allowing more individuals to make decisions based on their risk profile. The list of businesses opened and closed in PA is weird compared to other states, and the despite the WalletHub link provided by Joe, the real data released today (chart below from Inquirer) shows that PA is now one of the hardest hit in the nation in unemployment claims filed as a result of COVID, and higher than DE and NJ. Attachment DeletedComing back to the original topic...and of concern as an alum and fan...Can La Salle survive financially if the PA governor keeps schools physically closed in the fall, and what does it mean for fall sports and athletes? What about freshman enrollment where the majority of the school's income comes from tuition? What about donors whose business have shuttered and may be donating less? What does it do to all the capital and improvement plans that are sorely needed and get a lot of press on here? As the governor's plan as the most populated county's in the state opening last, this put La Salle in the worst position to get back to normal, and incoming students (or existing ones) may seek other options in other parts of the state or other states for continuing their education.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 30, 2020 15:50:40 GMT -5
Also somewhat important to note is that in the first stages of the AIDS epidemic, there weren't industry conferences where 175 people attended and 100 left with AIDS. AVN Expo
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