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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 12, 2020 21:14:43 GMT -5
Has any one heard if hikim is hurt? They could use his aggressiveness on offense, attacking the rim and setting up other guys. Sounds like it might be something other than an injury. Kale and Prendergast speculating on air. That was Dunph, not Prendy
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 12, 2020 21:15:43 GMT -5
Wow George Mason up on VCU 61-48 with 4 minutes to go. Not good for the conference Mason hung on to win by 5
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Post by vital on Feb 12, 2020 21:26:39 GMT -5
This is bad and ridiculous . This offense is so stalled...Our color commentator with Kale Mr.Fran was spot on about guys not cutting and not rushing when the ball is in their hands..This feed Ed all day in the post is a joke against good teams..You can't force feed a player especially if their not use to or can't pass out of double teams...Hikim not playing for some coach's decision..Shareef is creating bad habits by playing without any discipline..Ray and Stone not involved has them confused and they are playing to not make mistakes and they are better players than this..Saul and Shaggy has been fazed out...I feel sorry for Beatty and Spencer next year because they become Saul and Shaggy next year and you see it coming...They still have some tough games left and another game with St.Joe's which no way in the world they cant lose to a winless conference team..Believe...no PRAY
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Post by vital on Feb 12, 2020 21:28:21 GMT -5
Disappointing. Thought maybe we were in for a little surprising win tonight. Didn’t show anything tonight from the jump. Jack Clark and Clifton Moore will need to be superstars for this team to get to a competitive level next year whoaa don't jinx those 2 guys..
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Post by 23won on Feb 12, 2020 21:41:46 GMT -5
Richmond absolutely stomped us at UR. We came out flat, lifeless, played no D in the return home game. Then, the only guy who can get in the lane and finish or create good looks for others sits the whole game. Something doesn’t add up.
The team wasn’t prepared, the coaches weren’t prepared and there were no answers or solutions after timeouts and breaks when UR was running a Princeton offense layup drill for their second team offense. That was inexcusable.
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Post by festushagan on Feb 12, 2020 21:46:36 GMT -5
Lack of effort is inexcusable!
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 12, 2020 21:49:02 GMT -5
Richmond is 18-6 and in the bubble conversation. Let's not lose sight of how good they are. I couldn't believe the line was only 4 - if I were a betting man, I would have been all over it.
Bright side: at least we are putting the noon Thursday / Friday games in Brooklyn out of reach. Down side: we may not reach Thursday.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 12, 2020 21:52:52 GMT -5
Richmond is good but here there is no excuse for that performance tonight: Fordham had them on the ropes until late on their game last weekend.
Tonight was inexcusable.
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Post by festushagan on Feb 12, 2020 22:01:52 GMT -5
Play hard and lose is one thing, not playing hard for 2/3 rd of game is hard to stomach!
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Post by calsufan on Feb 12, 2020 23:33:16 GMT -5
Breathe.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 13, 2020 7:11:43 GMT -5
This is bad and ridiculous . This offense is so stalled...Our color commentator with Kale Mr.Fran was spot on about guys not cutting and not rushing when the ball is in their hands..This feed Ed all day in the post is a joke against good teams..You can't force feed a player especially if their not use to or can't pass out of double teams...Hikim not playing for some coach's decision..Shareef is creating bad habits by playing without any discipline..Ray and Stone not involved has them confused and they are playing to not make mistakes and they are better players than this..Saul and Shaggy has been fazed out...I feel sorry for Beatty and Spencer next year because they become Saul and Shaggy next year and you see it coming...They still have some tough games left and another game with St.Joe's which no way in the world they cant lose to a winless conference team..Believe...no PRAY Thank you for this message. I can see what you are saying. Looks like we can write next year off as another one like this because coach doesn't have his guys. So we are looking at 2021-22 when we get a haul from next years recruiting class. Maybe. This team is depending on a healthy Jack Clark. IMO that is scary. First, we hope Jack comes back healthy and strong. The problem will be who "compliments" him? Spencer on the other wing? Beatty? Moore is a piece. A mystery one at that. Word is he is strongest defending especially around the rim. As for last night. Up until this game we did a tremendous job defending the high screen. Up until last night we did a good job defending the pick and roll. Offensively, it amazes me that they haven't figured out that when the ball goes down low to Ed he needs a "kick out" option. Ever notice the other players RUN AWAY from him. So it's either Ed trying to back his man down. He gets a make, miss or turnover. Two out of those things are bad.( plus no one there for an offensive rebound) Why NO ONE is there for an outlet pass is mind-boggling. That's a standard play. I am not picking on Ash for this because the same thing happened under G. So last night was frustrating in many ways. Lack of effort. Lethargic. Poor defense. Poor offense. Complete breakdown. This program sure tests it's fans.
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Post by nealum on Feb 13, 2020 8:58:45 GMT -5
The buck stops with the coaching staff. Based on the posts above, they appear to be deficient in implementing effective offensive and defensive strategies. And changing them in 'real time' as the game progresses. Do the coaches demand results and clearly communicate expectations? Are they too nice? We could accept the above if they were better at recruiting than X and O's. But that's not happening either. If they are teaching the X and Os, why aren't the kids getting it?
The early season cup cake games are over. All the teams in the A10 seem to be operating at a higher level than LaSalle in both talent and coaching. We hope LaSalle gets better, but hope is not a strategy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:36:33 GMT -5
Funny, wasn't it a year or so ago that there was push to oust the Richmond coach including a billboard?
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Post by nealum on Feb 13, 2020 11:32:43 GMT -5
My post says "coaching staff"; not just the head coach. They all contribute to the success or failure of a program.
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Post by Fastchuck on Feb 13, 2020 11:37:26 GMT -5
I think even the camera guy lost interest. Have us a shot of an empty half court while everyone was at the other end. You know it was a tough night when the biggest reaction from the crowd was when the walk-on got in (still no name on his jersey). I don't mean to criticize since I have absolutely no musical talent but the "pep" band needs to pick up the beat. They should at least learn the fight song. I do thank the DJ for turning down the volume. At least now I can hear the other old codgers I sit with complain (about everything).
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 13, 2020 12:47:13 GMT -5
Game was a setback for sure. Richmond did execute well. But we just looked flummoxed by what they were doing. Just too out to lunch. Like we didn't scout them (or read the scouting reports from the past 10 years). Not very encouraging.
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Post by Gnocchi on Feb 13, 2020 13:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by diehardexplorer on Feb 13, 2020 13:21:34 GMT -5
Saul and Shaggy has been fazed out...I feel sorry for Beatty and Spencer next year because they become Saul and Shaggy next year and you see it coming... everyone shares in the blame for last night. poor coaching, poor play, just plain old dumb basketball and a spotty effort on top of it. richmond is good but they're not that good. i'm still wondering why i drove over an hour to and an hour from la salle to watch that. as far as saul and shaggy, they aren't being phased out. shaggy is actually getting more minutes in a10 games than he did during the ooc schedule. saul is playing a couple less minutes a game. the problem is their level of play isn't what it was earlier in the season, particularly saul. shaggy's numbers are down but he's getting a couple more minutes than he was earlier in the season, but saul's play has really declined. his overall and three point %'s are below 30% in a10 play. he's only gone to the line 4 times in 11 games. scoring and rebounding averages are down. the simple fact is he's getting less minutes because he's not producing. even with that, he's still 3rd on the team in mpg during a10 play. in reality, based on performance, he should probably be playing less. but i get it. he's a senior, he deserves a chance to turn it around. this team needs him to turn it around. he's getting almost 26 minutes a game to do it. not sure what else the coaching staff can do for him or shaggy.
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Post by 23won on Feb 13, 2020 14:46:27 GMT -5
I feel for Ash and having to enforce disciplinary measures. Sounds like the time in the penalty box has been served. We also better figure out a way to beat UR since they have 5 starting juniors, a decent soph class of role players/supporters, and a great frosh in Burton who has our number.
I think our woes leading to scoring droughts are a bit self inflicted and include the following, which are fixable
1) we can't stand and pass four around the circle until someone jacks a three; that led to steals and run-outs as well as late shot clock forced jacks
2) we need more screens off ball and motion if we are going to set up and make a reasonable number of threes against a good team; what worked against Joes will not work against UR, URI, Dayton, Bonnies, VCU, etc
3) we need to minimize the corner 3 and settle for better %age three shots; the point in # 2 above will help; in addition, shooting open off of a pass (with feet set and square) rather than off the dribble near a defender is important to do on 2/3 or more of our 3 point opportunities because we really don't have shooters that can make a 3 off the dribble with a defender nearby; we have to match strategy with the level of play we have
4) we take too long down low; teams will double down if we give them time; take it strong, with the ball 1-on-1 before help arrives and bang them into the protected area and finish strong close to the hoop and draw a foul and/or and-1
5) we need 4 proven scorers on the floor at one time; we need this because we struggle with scoring and extended droughts; Stone and Ray do good things, but they are not there yet as shooters and finishers, and while they serve a good role as the 5th man in a unit, I don't think we can play good teams with them (together or with Jared) on the floor at the same time
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 13, 2020 15:08:08 GMT -5
Too many square pegs on this team still that play significant roles.
Hikim needs to develop an outside shot Kenney needs to shoot 10,000,000 FTs this summer Beatty needs to develop consistent outside shooting Ed needs to develop post passing Clark needs to be healthy Ray and Stone need to keep learning and playing
Offense appears to be predicated on solid perimeter defense leading to transition offense where guys spread and hunt corner 3’s and then transition to drive and draw fouls. Issue is not enough shooters to do that. Defenses sag off the perimeter and eliminate driving lanes and screen potential because the 3 point shot isn’t a consistent threat. Need some more players to fit the profile and then make a judgment.
Last night sucked but prior to then one could argue that the season in A10 play has been lost at the FT Line. Poor LS shooting combined with increased opponent opportunity and good shooting allows for teams to go on extended runs.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 13, 2020 15:09:56 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad I neither watched nor listened to this mess. Do posters think we really need Hikim out there as PG and are lethargic without him?
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Post by coachd on Feb 13, 2020 15:22:10 GMT -5
Relax and feel confident we won't lose 20 games or more this year thanks to the Joey's and Fordham. It truly is sad that Ash hasn't gotten more from the team in A10 play. Our patience is running thin and we have to start winning the A10, not just trying to get above .500 imho. Where is our new arena, we need it soon.
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Post by Happy Fortune on Feb 13, 2020 16:43:56 GMT -5
Do posters think we really need Hikim out there as PG and are lethargic without him? Yes.
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Post by vital on Feb 13, 2020 16:54:16 GMT -5
Saul and Shaggy has been fazed out...I feel sorry for Beatty and Spencer next year because they become Saul and Shaggy next year and you see it coming... everyone shares in the blame for last night. poor coaching, poor play, just plain old dumb basketball and a spotty effort on top of it. richmond is good but they're not that good. i'm still wondering why i drove over an hour to and an hour from la salle to watch that. as far as saul and shaggy, they aren't being phased out. shaggy is actually getting more minutes in a10 games than he did during the ooc schedule. saul is playing a couple less minutes a game. the problem is their level of play isn't what it was earlier in the season, particularly saul. shaggy's numbers are down but he's getting a couple more minutes than he was earlier in the season, but saul's play has really declined. his overall and three point %'s are below 30% in a10 play. he's only gone to the line 4 times in 11 games. scoring and rebounding averages are down. the simple fact is he's getting less minutes because he's not producing. even with that, he's still 3rd on the team in mpg during a10 play. in reality, based on performance, he should probably be playing less. but i get it. he's a senior, he deserves a chance to turn it around. this team needs him to turn it around. he's getting almost 26 minutes a game to do it. not sure what else the coaching staff can do for him or shaggy. you are correct but throughout the A10 coaches are making midseason adjustments...you can't have 2 guys on the floor playing 26 minutes and not producing...When do you see Saul or Spencer go thru some double screens to pop open for a 3pt shot??
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Post by vital on Feb 13, 2020 17:01:28 GMT -5
I feel for Ash and having to enforce disciplinary measures. Sounds like the time in the penalty box has been served. We also better figure out a way to beat UR since they have 5 starting juniors, a decent soph class of role players/supporters, and a great frosh in Burton who has our number. I think our woes leading to scoring droughts are a bit self inflicted and include the following, which are fixable 1) we can't stand and pass four around the circle until someone jacks a three; that led to steals and run-outs as well as late shot clock forced jacks 2) we need more screens off ball and motion if we are going to set up and make a reasonable number of threes against a good team; what worked against Joes will not work against UR, URI, Dayton, Bonnies, VCU, etc 3) we need to minimize the corner 3 and settle for better %age three shots; the point in # 2 above will help; in addition, shooting open off of a pass (with feet set and square) rather than off the dribble near a defender is important to do on 2/3 or more of our 3 point opportunities because we really don't have shooters that can make a 3 off the dribble with a defender nearby; we have to match strategy with the level of play we have 4) we take too long down low; teams will double down if we give them time; take it strong, with the ball 1-on-1 before help arrives and bang them into the protected area and finish strong close to the hoop and draw a foul and/or and-1 5) we need 4 proven scorers on the floor at one time; we need this because we struggle with scoring and extended droughts; Stone and Ray do good things, but they are not there yet as shooters and finishers, and while they serve a good role as the 5th man in a unit, I don't think we can play good teams with them (together or with Jared) on the floor at the same time Dam 23won is winning with this statement...You are absolutely correct from 1-5..
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 13, 2020 17:18:29 GMT -5
A big problem is we do not have enough complete players. Their flaws always crop up or enough of those flaws expose themselves during a game to sink us. It also prevents them from being more consistent game after game because when they do something well and then it is taken away from them by a visiting team they cannot do enough elsewhere to help this team win.
It is very frustrating. It has been this way for a long time at La Salle.
As a fan when we get a commitment it is easy to say that recruit is going to be good for us. We have all over valued recruits that have committed here. It is natural as a fan.
Truth is we have had many players that do something well but not many that are complete players. That do many things well.
That is Ash's job. To find those players and get them to La Salle. If he succeeds his life is much easier as our coach than if he he cannot find those types of players. If he cant, then he needs to be that much better as a bench or tactical coach.
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Post by 23won on Feb 13, 2020 18:48:41 GMT -5
I'll disagree to some extent with the complete player point because it can operate like an excuse just like the facilities excuse. If you believe and buy into both, we will never succeed - and those are two really bad excuses. The reality is that most A10 teams don't recruit or have a full set of complete players. Other schools, like St. Mary's, don't have a great gym; in fact it is very similar to ours. But the success occurs in a lot of these "incomplete" programs because there is a system in place that works (usually after adjustment) tied to the players that are in the program in any given year.
VCU is always good but they don't have a huge number of 4 star recruits. They do have a system where pieces are interchangable and everyone buys into the system.
Obi came into Dayton as a low star under-recruited player. They hit a little lightning in the bottle with his development but the system works with a few transfers and a few experienced players who know the system and help make others get it. For sure, it's not a one man team that will get UD a 2 seed in the Dance.
The Bonnies have a good point guard but most of the rest are 2 stars that work in the Schmidt system. Nobody wants to live or play in Olean NY, so they don't get "complete" players even though Schmidt has delivered outsized success for the Bonnies in a good number of years. They also are younger than our team overall and have been playing together the same two years that Ash has been coaching at La Salle. Despite all this working against the Bonnies, the Schmidt system works.
I also don't think we as La Salle fans over-value our talent. We have more HS stars in our lineup than all teams in the A10 but Dayton and as much experience as all teams but Dayton. Yet we struggle because the system isn't working; and that is a fact.
That doesn't men you throw the "car" away, because the parts aren't complete or not working as well as others on your street. But the boss does need to get dirty in the garage and tinker with the mechanics quite a bit right now, not over the summer, to get things running right. I think he can do it. It'll take elbow grease, tinkering and re-tinkering but if he keeps an open mind, ADJUSTS and uses his parts to the max for his system, we can see better performance.
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Post by explorer88 on Feb 13, 2020 18:56:37 GMT -5
I never said full roster of complete players. We don’t have enough complete players.
You are dismissing the complete players fact and facilities to fit your narrative as a fan. If that makes you feel better and helps reconcile your fandom that is fine. I understand. However both those things are big factors why La Salle struggles most years.
As far as over valuing our players just last year there were people on this board saying Saul Phiri could be a third team all A10 player.
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Post by las71 on Feb 13, 2020 20:18:34 GMT -5
I agree that part of our problem has to do with players not being complete. I also agree that many A10 teams have similar players. The problem isn't that our players have weaknesses, the problem is too many of them have the same weaknesses. We are a below average ball handling team. Too many of our guys are simply uncomfortable with the ball. Poor Saul has been forced into playing the point because Ayinde is our only point. In addition, I think we have too many guys who want to pick up their dribble after two dribbles. Our ball handling has been a huge issue this year. I think our overall talent is improving but I don't believe we are as talented as some other A10 clubs. I believe we will grow into a too 5 program in the league in the next few years. I think Ash has us heading in the right direction.
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Post by calsufan on Feb 13, 2020 20:26:43 GMT -5
I never said full roster of complete players. We don’t have enough complete players. You are dismissing the complete players fact and facilities to fit your narrative as a fan. If that makes you feel better and helps reconcile your fandom that is fine. I understand. However both those things are big factors why La Salle struggles most years. As far as over valuing our players just last year there were people on this board saying Saul Phiri could be a third team all A10 player. I lean 23won's way. I think it's more about getting the right players for your system and coaching them up. Again, the perfect example are the Bonnies. They're in the middle of nowhere and their gym is nothing to write home about and yet, Schmidt is able to quite often identify under recruited players and coach them up in his system. That's what needs to happen at La Salle and it can happen without the facilities. Granted, better facilities would make it easier for Ash, but the coach and his staff, how they recruit and the soundness of their system is what matters most.
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