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Post by sweat83 on Jan 5, 2020 15:50:30 GMT -5
Got a W on the Road. Need to get these regardless of the opponent. Let's get another one at UMASS.
Would like to see Fordham start winning some games in the A10 as well.
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Post by a10 on Jan 5, 2020 15:50:58 GMT -5
Thank goodness we stepped up on our free throws.......not one of our strong suits this season so far.
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Post by las71 on Jan 5, 2020 15:51:33 GMT -5
Made it interesting but always happy to get a road win in the conference. On to UMASS.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 5, 2020 15:55:41 GMT -5
Not a 2nd half to be proud of. Fortunately we had such a lead. But you can't coast with a lead. Team needs to sleep on the way home from games not during the 2nd half.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 5, 2020 17:01:07 GMT -5
Always a sigh of relief to exit the Bronx with a W.
Already matched last season’s win total, 17 losses sooner. Progress!
We’re on to Amherst.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 5, 2020 20:41:06 GMT -5
This was not a good win. Letting them get close while committing 19 turnovers against a bad team missing 3 of their starters is not a good look after Thursday's drubbing - it doesn't show a commitment to 40 minutes of basketball.
Fordham's best win of the season was against Grand Canyon (256 RPI) and they have 4 Quadrant 4 losses. We need to win games against teams like that by more than 6 at this point. 3-5 in January looks like a stretch at this point if we play like we did in the second half today.
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Post by 23won on Jan 5, 2020 20:54:40 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree, Glitter. There are bad losses and good wins for tourney purposes. This was a win you’d expect to get. We got it. Now it’s time to move on.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 5, 2020 20:55:19 GMT -5
I'll always take a "bad" win over a "good" loss.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 5, 2020 20:56:33 GMT -5
What was the line in the game?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 5, 2020 21:10:19 GMT -5
What was the line in the game? 1.5 before their leading scorer went down in warmups. Not sure if it moved after that. I'm guessing under 19 turnovers for us was also expected.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 5, 2020 21:13:40 GMT -5
Line was 6.01 after he got hurt. We suck.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 5, 2020 21:17:32 GMT -5
What was the line in the game? 1.5 before their leading scorer went down in warmups. Not sure if it moved after that. I'm guessing under 19 turnovers for us was also expected. So we beat the line by 4 times more than expected. Check please!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 5, 2020 21:19:33 GMT -5
1.5 before their leading scorer went down in warmups. Not sure if it moved after that. I'm guessing under 19 turnovers for us was also expected. So we beat the line by 4 times more than expected. Check please! Is that your barometer for how we played? Beating a 300+ RPI team by 6 and breaking down in the 2nd half?
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 5, 2020 21:27:33 GMT -5
I was disappointed that we let it get so tight in the 2nd half, and obviously we'll be playing almost exclusively better teams than Fordham from here on out, so it would have been a bit better of a sign if we didn't have to sweat that out so much down the stretch. But like, we're not good enough recently to be turning our noses up at any win, in my opinion.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 5, 2020 21:28:28 GMT -5
So we beat the line by 4 times more than expected. Check please! Is that your barometer for how we played? Beating a 300+ RPI team by 6 and breaking down in the 2nd half? My barometer is that we won. Yes we had a lot of turnovers, but we won and we beat the line handily. I'm a happy man. If they rack up 10 more bad wins this year, I'll be happier still.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 5, 2020 21:34:02 GMT -5
I'll always take a "bad" win over a "good" loss. Right? Would you prefer to be the Texans winning by 3 in OT after being shut out at home for 2+ quarters by a team that has not won a playoff game in a quarter century, or the Eagles losing by ONLY a TD with 40-year-old Josh McCown forced into service 9 minutes into the game and a thousand offensive walk-ons nobody’s heard of?
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Post by walkon on Jan 6, 2020 7:08:45 GMT -5
Not our best showing, but we pulled it out. Free throw shooting finally comes through in clutch.
again, another game we would have lost in years prior.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 6, 2020 8:54:25 GMT -5
I believe we gave up 15 points off of turnovers in the 2nd half as opposed to just 2 in the 1st half yesterday. If I am the coach (and a fan trying to develop a sense of the ability of this team) I want to understand what happened here. Play deteriorated in the second half. Certainly worth trying to understand. We started the half (first 5 minutes) strong. But things then declined. What happened? For example, did the coach feel the game was safely in hand and begin to experiment with different player combinations and give time to different guys to further their development? Or something like this? Or do I need (as coach) to find ways to keep guys head in the game for 40 minutes?
As a fan I am very happy with the win yesterday. Stuff like yesterday's second half happens, but I suspect undesirable for most fans. It can be helpful to understand why (for coach and fan).
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Post by a10champion15 on Jan 6, 2020 23:34:32 GMT -5
Wasn't our best performance but games like this I try to focus on the big picture. A win is a win and this isn't a game we win in the past as everyone has already said.
Just a quick note. When you get a second take a look at some of the advanced stats. The numbers are improving for not just the team but a number of the players.
I don't have time to dive in on everyone but specifically, Christian Ray's advanced stats over the last several games compared to the beginning of the season are night and day.
First 4 games he had an offensive rating of 40.05 Last 6 games he's averaging a rating of 118.96 Last 4 games 127.26
Hikim's are much better now compared to the beginning of the season as well as Kenney's more recently played games. Hopefully, he returns soon.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 7, 2020 7:33:19 GMT -5
Wasn't our best performance but games like this I try to focus on the big picture. A win is a win and this isn't a game we win in the past as everyone has already said. Just a quick note. When you get a second take a look at some of the advanced stats. The numbers are improving for not just the team but a number of the players. I don't have time to dive in on everyone but specifically, Christian Ray's advanced stats over the last several games compared to the beginning of the season are night and day. First 4 games he had an offensive rating of 40.05 Last 6 games he's averaging a rating of 118.96 Last 4 games 127.26 Hikim's are much better now compared to the beginning of the season as well as Kenney's more recently played games. Hopefully, he returns soon. I have a feeling that this team will be much improved over the next few seasons, especially if we can get a rim protector and 2 good, outside shooters.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 7, 2020 8:02:03 GMT -5
A win is a win and this isn't a game we win in the past as everyone has already said. We've swept Fordham for the past 3 years. I'm not sure when the bar got so low that committing 19 turnovers and falling asleep in the 2nd half against a 300+ RPI team missing 3 starters became acceptable. Yeah, we won, but not every win is a victory. I can't imagine the staff is happy with this "win". Beating a depleted 300+ RPI team handily should be table stakes.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 7, 2020 9:38:04 GMT -5
If we're less than half way into year 2 of Howard's tenure and talking about bad in-conference road wins, I think things are going pretty well.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Jan 7, 2020 11:02:51 GMT -5
A win is a win and this isn't a game we win in the past as everyone has already said. We've swept Fordham for the past 3 years. I'm not sure when the bar got so low that committing 19 turnovers and falling asleep in the 2nd half against a 300+ RPI team missing 3 starters became acceptable. Yeah, we won, but not every win is a victory. I can't imagine the staff is happy with this "win". Beating a depleted 300+ RPI team handily should be table stakes. so what do you suggest we do on here? continuously post about how poorly the team played on saturday. they didn't play well. the players and coaching staff know that better than anyone else. they need to improve, particularly with taking care of the ball. but they did win, and it was a victory. enough with the not every win is a victory horseshit. my god.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 7, 2020 12:04:34 GMT -5
A win is a win and this isn't a game we win in the past as everyone has already said. We've swept Fordham for the past 3 years. I'm not sure when the bar got so low that committing 19 turnovers and falling asleep in the 2nd half against a 300+ RPI team missing 3 starters became acceptable. Yeah, we won, but not every win is a victory. I can't imagine the staff is happy with this "win". Beating a depleted 300+ RPI team handily should be table stakes. Okay, you've convinced me. I think we should petition the league and see if we can award this win to Fordham; or maybe, we can gift it to another "underachieving" team in the league like Davidson?
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Post by calsufan on Jan 7, 2020 12:09:14 GMT -5
A win is a win and this isn't a game we win in the past as everyone has already said. We've swept Fordham for the past 3 years. I'm not sure when the bar got so low that committing 19 turnovers and falling asleep in the 2nd half against a 300+ RPI team missing 3 starters became acceptable. Yeah, we won, but not every win is a victory. I can't imagine the staff is happy with this "win". Beating a depleted 300+ RPI team handily should be table stakes. So I consulted no less an authority then Merriam - Webster. It is my unfortunate duty to inform you that you are wrong:
Win noun Definition of win (Entry 2 of 2) : VICTORY especially : first place at the finish (as of a horse race)
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Post by MisterD on Jan 7, 2020 12:26:17 GMT -5
"Bad Wins and Even Worse Losses: La Salle Basketball in the Atlantic 10 Era" by the posters of the Explorertown Message Board
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Post by sweat83 on Jan 7, 2020 12:37:10 GMT -5
Probably need to move on from this. At UMASS tomorrow night. A UMASS team that has lost 8 out of the last nine games. Need to come away with a "good" win.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 7, 2020 13:48:22 GMT -5
so what do you suggest we do on here? continuously post about how poorly the team played on saturday. they didn't play well. the players and coaching staff know that better than anyone else. they need to improve, particularly with taking care of the ball. but they did win, and it was a victory. enough with the not every win is a victory horseshit. my god. We have some people on here ready to have a parade down 20th street for beating Fordham. If that's what gets us excited, let's go back to the MAAC. That's my point. The "horseshit" came from John Wooden where he mentioned that wins and losses should not equate to victory and defeat as they are impostors in defining competitive success, and if you let yourself get excited by wins where the effort and execution was sloppy, you are missing the bigger picture - but I guess he doesn't know basketball at all and we should disregard his thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 14:15:49 GMT -5
If we're less than half way into year 2 of Howard's tenure and talking about bad in-conference road wins, I think things are going pretty well. Couldnt agree more with this comment. And let us not forget, Good teams win, great teams cover. We are 11-3 ATS, as favorites, we have covered all but the FDU game. Fordham is a tough defensive team, a win is a win, we covered, why are we complaining? Umass has some potential, I think it will be a big test. We did shoot the ball very well, I am confident we will get the turnovers down and be fine in the future. I see this team playing at it's level. In the past we have been pretty sporadic, lose vs. a bad team, win vs. a good one, rinse and repeat. Beating the teams we can beat is a step in the right direction. The confidence we will build going forward is huge. Good win vs. the Rams, let's get the Minutemen.
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Post by golasalle on Jan 7, 2020 14:17:48 GMT -5
so what do you suggest we do on here? continuously post about how poorly the team played on saturday. they didn't play well. the players and coaching staff know that better than anyone else. they need to improve, particularly with taking care of the ball. but they did win, and it was a victory. enough with the not every win is a victory horseshit. my god. We have some people on here ready to have a parade down 20th street for beating Fordham. If that's what gets us excited, let's go back to the MAAC. That's my point. The "horseshit" came from John Wooden where he mentioned that wins and losses should not equate to victory and defeat as they are impostors in defining competitive success, and if you let yourself get excited by wins where the effort and execution was sloppy, you are missing the bigger picture - but I guess he doesn't know basketball at all and we should disregard his thoughts. Oh FFS, your first sentence is complete bullshit. No one even inferred that. The push back is on the concept of "bad wins." There is no such thing. Also, everyone who has commented has pointed out that the second half was a poorly played and poorly executed. They need to stop getting loose with the ball, especially when they are on the verge of blowing a team out. I am sure the team and the coaching staff understand that. We are going to see inconsistency from a young team. They need to clean that up and EVERYONE understands that. They played a poor second half but still found a way to win. I will take that. I am not happy with the way they played in the second half, but to denigrate a win by calling it "bad" is ridiculous.
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