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Post by MisterD on Nov 26, 2018 19:55:08 GMT -5
I would tell Carter he has to start shooting. He brings no offense and teams can play off of him because they know that he is afraid to shoot.
Right shoulder problem ?
I “get it”, but unknown injuries are absolutely a good reason to avoid shitty language like “afraid”.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 26, 2018 20:50:03 GMT -5
Right shoulder problem ?
I “get it”, but unknown injuries are absolutely a good reason to avoid shitty language like “afraid”. With Fultz or Carter? Because unless Markelle was really involved in a rumored dirt bike accident, I do think he's afraid to take outside shots. I think his issue is something going on between the ears. I can't say the same about Carter.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 26, 2018 21:20:21 GMT -5
I meant I get it’s a Fultz joke but it’s entirely possible something physical is preventing Carter from shooting versus him being “afraid”.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 21:38:45 GMT -5
If I weren't going to AC for a Skynyrd concert, I would buy the tickets off of you. Win or lose, it's still an excuse to go to the Palestra, which doesn't come around as often as it should.... Plus there's the New Deck, and the well it's a day or night out in University City. Not the worst thing in the world. If I have some to unload this year and have no takers from my usual crew, I will PM you and let you know. Like I said...I give away my home seats to alums when I can't make the games. No charge.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 27, 2018 11:32:29 GMT -5
Shooting percentages through 7 games :
FG 3PT MINS. Beatty : 12 - 51 ( 23.5% ) 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 171 mins. Carter : 15 - 37 ( 40.5% ) 3 - 14 ( 21.4% ) 187 mins.
Mosely : 12 - 32 ( 37.5% ) 7 - 23 ( 30.4% ) 104 mins.
Moultrie : 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 3 - 10 ( 30.0% ) 94 mins.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 27, 2018 11:49:04 GMT -5
Shooting percentages through 7 games : FG 3PT MINS. Beatty : 12 - 51 ( 23.5% ) 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 171 mins. Carter : 15 - 37 ( 40.5% ) 3 - 14 ( 21.4% ) 187 mins. Mosely : 12 - 32 ( 37.5% ) 7 - 23 ( 30.4% ) 104 mins. Moultrie : 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 3 - 10 ( 30.0% ) 94 mins. Ignoring the defensive and rebounding struggles, there's our answer to being an 0-7 team. You can get by playing marginal D if you make shots, rebound the ball, and take care of the basketball. However, when all those areas are a struggle, it's a recipe for disaster.
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Post by fvp47 on Nov 27, 2018 12:49:45 GMT -5
Just curious but does anyone have the shooting % of Deas, Powell and Moultrie for this season through seven games as compared to last season.
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Post by 1801olney on Nov 27, 2018 12:58:16 GMT -5
Ash Howard isnt alone. From an article on The Athletic, by Ken Pomeroy: "There are 33 head coaches who are in their first year running a program at the Division I level. Through Sunday’s action, those coaches had gone a combined 77-127. That figure includes a 27-0 record against teams outside of D-I, so it’s really 50-127 in games the NCAA basketball committee will care about come Selection Sunday."
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2018 12:59:09 GMT -5
I don't get cutting Pookie and Deas, they're not better / tangibly better in those categories.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2018 13:02:41 GMT -5
Ash Howard isnt alone. From an article on The Athletic, by Ken Pomeroy: "There are 33 head coaches who are in their first year running a program at the Division I level. Through Sunday’s action, those coaches had gone a combined 77-127. That figure includes a 27-0 record against teams outside of D-I, so it’s really 50-127 in games the NCAA basketball committee will care about come Selection Sunday." Is there a list, because I'm curious how many are our level or higher. URI counts and they're better, but its a win versus Bryant and then eeking one out against Harvard and with a 26 win roster last year, so not BETTER better. Just better.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 27, 2018 13:05:17 GMT -5
Jellybean had it exactly right in another thread with his analogy of a Dike with too many leaks and not enough fingers to plug all the leaks. How true.
We are drowning not because of one issue but a slew of them.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 27, 2018 13:05:43 GMT -5
Ash Howard isnt alone. From an article on The Athletic, by Ken Pomeroy: "There are 33 head coaches who are in their first year running a program at the Division I level. Through Sunday’s action, those coaches had gone a combined 77-127. That figure includes a 27-0 record against teams outside of D-I, so it’s really 50-127 in games the NCAA basketball committee will care about come Selection Sunday." Alabama A&M's coach is also a first year. (and they are 0-6) Likely that either Ash or him will get their first win in Atlantic City.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 27, 2018 13:19:01 GMT -5
I don't get cutting Pookie and Deas, they're not better / tangibly better in those categories. I don't think anyone is immune from blame here, the exception maybe being Brookins. He's been put into a very difficult situation, and I think he's responded well, all things considered.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2018 13:24:19 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't even mean blame vs no-blame, I was just curious why it was cut that way.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 27, 2018 13:29:03 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't even mean blame vs no-blame, I was just curious why it was cut that way. Oh, that too. But the eye test tells me they'd probably be lumped in with the rest, no?
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2018 13:36:52 GMT -5
Yup. Pookie is 41%/29% and Deas is 34%/36%.
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Post by gymratlsc72 on Nov 27, 2018 13:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgold on Nov 27, 2018 13:41:02 GMT -5
FG% Offense: 322. La Salle 39.6% 337. Alabama A&M 37.5%
FG% Defense: 334. La Salle 48.9% 351. Alabama A&M 52.1%
3PT% Offense: 292. La Salle 30.0% 317. Alabama A&M 28.3%
3PT% Defense: T-221. La Salle 34.2% 324. Alabama A&M 39.0%
Eat your heart out.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 27, 2018 14:09:06 GMT -5
Yup. Pookie is 41%/29% and Deas is 34%/36%. FG 3PT MINS. Beatty : 12 - 51 ( 23.5% ) 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 171 mins. Carter : 15 - 37 ( 40.5% ) 3 - 14 ( 21.4% ) 187 mins. Mosely : 12 - 32 ( 37.5% ) 7 - 23 ( 30.4% ) 104 mins. Moultrie : 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 3 - 10 ( 30.0% ) 94 mins. Pookie : (41%) (29%) Deas : (34%) (36%) i can't help but think that fatigue could be playing a factor in their shooting problems. they're exerting an awful lot of energy on a press that they've been using for just about the entire game and are constantly having to chase the opponents down from behind. i like that they've got a press in the play book, but really hope ashley considers scaling it back. opponents are getting way too many easy looks while our guys are exhausting themselves with not much to show for it, plus it's getting people in foul trouble very early in games. both traci and jared had two fouls before the first media timeout in the first two games at the wooden classic, hurting what little depth this team has. the villanova game will be over after 5 minutes if the same strategy is used.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 27, 2018 14:13:12 GMT -5
if you saw them on stubhub, that means they haven't gone anywhere. They're not on there anymore, so they sold. there's a sucker born every minute. la salle was offering them with a 30% discount yesterday.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 27, 2018 14:14:45 GMT -5
They're not on there anymore, so they sold. there's a sucker born every minute. la salle was offering them with a 30% discount yesterday. not the chairbacks. One of my friends sold his 2 chairbacks in the 3rd row this morning for $115 a piece after listing them yesterday
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Post by durenduren on Nov 27, 2018 14:59:10 GMT -5
I just think we're a super crappy shooting team. Fatigue doesn't explain why they went ice cold after scoring 9 points on Grand Canyon in the first few minutes of the game, then allowed them to go on a 17 or 19 point run.
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Post by milkoliverwurst on Nov 27, 2018 15:50:35 GMT -5
I meant I get it’s a Fultz joke but it’s entirely possible something physical is preventing Carter from shooting versus him being “afraid”. If there's something physically wrong with Carter that he can't shoot the basketball then he shouldn't be on the court. You can't play a guard who is physically unable to shoot. I didn't expect him to be their leading scorer but I didn't expect to see someone who constantly does pump fakes that fool no one. Teams are already starting to play off of him. How bad could his shot be? How much could it hurt us? No one on this team is shooting well. This is a transition season. We're not in contention for post season play. They all need to go out there and just have fun playing basketball and see what can happen.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 27, 2018 15:56:14 GMT -5
Feels like paragraph 1 contradicts paragraph 2?
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Post by jellybean on Nov 27, 2018 16:34:02 GMT -5
Yup. Pookie is 41%/29% and Deas is 34%/36%. FG 3PT MINS. Beatty : 12 - 51 ( 23.5% ) 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 171 mins. Carter : 15 - 37 ( 40.5% ) 3 - 14 ( 21.4% ) 187 mins. Mosely : 12 - 32 ( 37.5% ) 7 - 23 ( 30.4% ) 104 mins. Moultrie : 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 3 - 10 ( 30.0% ) 94 mins. Pookie : (41%) (29%) Deas : (34%) (36%) i can't help but think that fatigue could be playing a factor in their shooting problems. they're exerting an awful lot of energy on a press that they've been using for just about the entire game and are constantly having to chase the opponents down from behind. i like that they've got a press in the play book, but really hope ashley considers scaling it back. opponents are getting way too many easy looks while our guys are exhausting themselves with not much to show for it, plus it's getting people in foul trouble very early in games. both traci and jared had two fouls before the first media timeout in the first two games at the wooden classic, hurting what little depth this team has. the villanova game will be over after 5 minutes if the same strategy is used. Prior to the GC game, Shaggy was shooting over 40% from 3 for the season. Beatty and Carter were never good 3 point shooters. Pookie is about the same. Moultrie has not had his touch all season. Cheddi would help but he missed one game with and injury. So I'm not buying the press argument.They also have used a lot of half court traps when not using the press. The press we use is more of a soft two man press to drain some seconds off the shot clock. We have actually gotten one turnover a game on that soft press, The hard press is used when we get down. Ash brings Kimbrough usually to the inbounder so he has a guy with long arms at the head of the press. Beatty and Carter are either poor or reluctant to shoot. In HS both thrived on the press. I think the press actually gives them a burst of enthusiasm. These kids pressed hard almost the entire time in HS and AAU ball. I also think kids like this style. Ash can sell that in recruiting, Let's face facts they are just poor and/or streaky. I will definitely agree about the chasing but would single out how we are using Brookins and Kimbrough. Why are they chasing beyond the arc. I can't understand this. I know some of it's the switch on the high post but to me this has to change. I feel for Miles running all over the place. Speaking of Miles. Congrats on his double double. Awesome to do in front of family and friends.
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Post by vital on Nov 27, 2018 16:45:32 GMT -5
I don't get cutting Pookie and Deas, they're not better / tangibly better in those categories. Pookie and Deas numbers looks like that because of many things...those two has the ball late in the shot clock very often which leads to bad or tough shots also when you have guys turning down shots or can't make them the other teams squeeze your two threats even more...Miles Jared or Ed cannot shoot a consistent 12-15 footer and then your 4 other guards are lacking confidence in their shot is a recipe for a long scoring night...scouting report tells you to stop two players and the Explorers goes night night...other guys has to score and they will see more W's
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Post by mookie on Nov 27, 2018 18:04:15 GMT -5
Which is why I said before the season if Pookie is scoring more than 15ppg then it’s not a good thing. Deas is a little higher than I would’ve liked and he’s been very inefficient.
Unless this team starts getting scoring from other players or becoming a defensive juggernaut, we’re going to continue to really struggle to get any wins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 21:06:07 GMT -5
Yup. Pookie is 41%/29% and Deas is 34%/36%. FG 3PT MINS. Beatty : 12 - 51 ( 23.5% ) 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 171 mins. Carter : 15 - 37 ( 40.5% ) 3 - 14 ( 21.4% ) 187 mins. Mosely : 12 - 32 ( 37.5% ) 7 - 23 ( 30.4% ) 104 mins. Moultrie : 8 - 27 ( 29.6% ) 3 - 10 ( 30.0% ) 94 mins. Pookie : (41%) (29%) Deas : (34%) (36%) i can't help but think that fatigue could be playing a factor in their shooting problems. they're exerting an awful lot of energy on a press that they've been using for just about the entire game and are constantly having to chase the opponents down from behind. i like that they've got a press in the play book, but really hope ashley considers scaling it back. opponents are getting way too many easy looks while our guys are exhausting themselves with not much to show for it, plus it's getting people in foul trouble very early in games. both traci and jared had two fouls before the first media timeout in the first two games at the wooden classic, hurting what little depth this team has. the villanova game will be over after 5 minutes if the same strategy is used. Fatigue? They didn't shoot well all season. It's only 7 games in. That'd be the most pathetic fatigue in the world. 7 games in.
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Post by mookie on Nov 27, 2018 21:48:04 GMT -5
People screamed for more press from G and now we’re getting and folks are wanting to scale back 7 games into the season? We have depth and should utilize it. We also have an opportunity to build a new identity and we shouldn’t scale back because we’re struggling. This is the time for us to have our core players learn and adjust. I also can’t buy fatigue as an excuse. They’re not making shots because they’re not as good of shooters as we thought or would’ve liked. Pookie and Deas are volume scorers while Beatty and Carter just aren’t good shooters. Mosley’s need to be utilized in a slightly different to maximize his scoring ability, but I’m speculating based on his numbers having never really watched him before. Or maybe he just needs some time to adjust.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 28, 2018 0:25:51 GMT -5
where is this depth that people are posting about? nine guys are averaging double figure minutes but in every game, at least one or two of them get into early foul trouble and the other seven or eight of them end up being the rotation for most of the game. historically, the teams that successfully run a hard press and turn other teams over consistently enough to win using that style (take the old Arkansas teams as an example) have ten-eleven man rotations.
you can't full court press effectively for 35 minutes a game (which was the case against florida and the 3 games in california when we were down double digits early in the first half) with a 7-8 man rotation. it doesn't work, as evidenced by 36, 17, 13, and 12 point losses that weren't anywhere near as close as the final scores indicated along with the numerous wide open layups, dunks, and three pointers made by the other team. i understand the appeal of a full court pressing team, but it just won't work for 35 minutes a game unless you have 9-10 guys available.
if the strategy is to sell the program to recruits based on being a pressing up-tempo team, i can understand that, but this year's team will be lucky to win 5-6 games if ashley plans on doing what he did the last few games for the entire season. he used the soft press against drexel which was futile as they broke it easily and attacked the rim for multiple layups. that game could have been won by throwing a zone at them. drexel couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from the perimeter (3-14 on threes).
hopefully next year will be a different story with the addition of 3 legitimate perimeter threats in spencer, clark, and stone along with ray who's a better shooter than he's given credit for. we could also use another true point guard (offers out to chris arch and the little point guard from mt zion prep) and a rim protector should anyone transfer out.
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