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Post by mookie on Mar 16, 2018 9:33:35 GMT -5
Crazy stuff happening in Pitt with their recent coach firing.
Sorry don’t have the link but it was reported by Jeff Goodman via Twitter.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 16, 2018 9:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 16, 2018 9:52:08 GMT -5
Eight Pitt players to explore transfer
Names:Ryan Luther (SR) Malik Ellison (JR) Kene Chukwuka (SO) Parker Stewart (FR) Marcus Carr (FR) Khameron Davis (FR) Terrell Brown (FR) Shamiel Stevenson (FR)
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 16, 2018 10:02:08 GMT -5
How many of these guys are we getting and how much are we going to overrate them?
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 16, 2018 12:54:10 GMT -5
How many of these guys are we getting and how much are we going to overrate them? Ellison strongly considered La Salle out of HS. He sat out this past season tranfering from St. John's to Pitt. Does he have to sit out AGAIN if he transfers out of Pitt to another D-I school? Odd situation. Former HS teammate of Traci Carter... Lots of guard/wing minutes will or could be gone by next fall: Amar, BJ, Johnnie, possibly Pookie and Shaggy |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 16, 2018 13:23:36 GMT -5
If he never played for Pitt I’d say no...right?
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 16, 2018 16:48:47 GMT -5
Ellison would be a nice addition. Brings some experience and leadership to a young team next year. The PT will very likely be there.
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 16, 2018 23:36:50 GMT -5
If he never played for Pitt I’d say no...right? The rule says you have to be at your new school for a year before you are eligible to play. He could seek a waiver but he could also be denied. Now of course, if he graduates before the fall semester he would be eligible to play right away. Not sure how many years he has left, but Cam Johnson of UNC graduated Pitt with 2 yrs left, and went to UNC as a grad transfer this year AND still has another year left there. |
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Post by postup on Mar 17, 2018 11:18:30 GMT -5
How many of these guys are we getting and how much are we going to overrate them? Probably as much as I see this board constantly salivating over the underwhelming 2-star recruits we're always loaded with. |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 17, 2018 11:39:18 GMT -5
This is a fun place. I'm glad I'm a member here.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 17, 2018 11:49:57 GMT -5
How many of these guys are we getting and how much are we going to overrate them? Probably as much as I see this board constantly salivating over the underwhelming 2-star recruits we're always loaded with. Don’t bad mouth Cian O’Sullivan on his national holiday. |
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Post by explorerman on Mar 17, 2018 12:20:46 GMT -5
If he never played for Pitt I’d say no...right? The rule says you have to be at your new school for a year before you are eligible to play. He could seek a waiver but he could also be denied. Now of course, if he graduates before the fall semester he would be eligible to play right away. Not sure how many years he has left, but Cam Johnson of UNC graduated Pitt with 2 yrs left, and went to UNC as a grad transfer this year AND still has another year left there. Goodness it is a weird situation.. My assumption is that he would get a waiver.. He did enroll at school and took courses at Pitt that does mean something... But I can't how Pitt would not give it... This will be an interesting one to follow... |
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 19, 2018 6:58:59 GMT -5
Pitt would give a waiver probably, but the NCAA still has to approve it.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 19, 2018 7:48:17 GMT -5
These kids should sit out / lose a year of eligibility or whatever. No waivers. Ellison chose Pitt, and he needs to live with that decision. Can't change schools every time things get tough. That's a stupid dangerous precedence that I'm sure the NCAA will flip-flop on repeatedly, though.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2018 7:50:58 GMT -5
Jairus Lyles initially transferred from VCU to Robert Morris, but left Robert Morris after one semester for UMBC. He technically sat a year and a half (the one semester at Robert Morris - Fall 2014, and two semesters at UMBC - Spring and Fall 2015). He was allowed to play at UMBC only after the fall semester was completed, so he sat 1 year at his new school which is technically the rule. Maybe the Pitt kid gets a waiver because the coach is leaving...but definitely a weird situation.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 19, 2018 8:03:03 GMT -5
Meh, lax interpretation of transfer rules - hardships being the exception - teaches that they can transfer away from their problems.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2018 8:21:17 GMT -5
Meh, lax interpretation of transfer rules - hardships being the exception - teaches that they can transfer away from their problems. Yeah, but we let kids get our of their letters of intent when the coaches changes. These kids are often transferring to play for a coach, not just a school. It's like at work...your manager is often the most important factor in your success. I thought I read that NCAA is considering changing transfer rules so an athlete could be immediately eligible? Also of note...just a quick sampling of the mid-majors in the tournament: UMBC - 2 of starting 5 are transfers Loyola Chicago - 2 of starting 5 are transfers Nevada - 5 of starting 5 are transfers Gonzaga - 1 of starting 5 is a transfer And we know La Salle's percentage this year - similar to above. I thought I heard one of the announcers during the game saying that about 35% of players are transfers and I thought that number was high, but looking at this, it may not be far off. |
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 19, 2018 8:28:32 GMT -5
One of my best friends transferred out of St. Joe's to La Salle because it was a better fit. And she was also pretty much on a full academic scholarship, too. She didn't have to sit out anything.
I had a friend transfer out of La Salle to a school out west so he could pursue a degree in music. He was able to record his band out there in a few weeks.
I had a rough go of things my first semester and almost transferred to a school back home. My parents would have been fine if I made that decision. I stuck it out and am super happy I did. But I'm glad I could have gone back home if I needed to.
Why is it any different? These kids have every right to find the best fit for what they want. Playing time because it's more fun than sitting on the bench and/or you believe you'll play basketball professionally and need to market yourself to an employer and/or you like the coach you'll be spending like 50% of your time with better.
The only reason they have the "wait a year" transfer rule is because college basketball is the sleaziest sport and any number of scumbags will game that system otherwise.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2018 8:29:00 GMT -5
Meh, lax interpretation of transfer rules - hardships being the exception - teaches that they can transfer away from their problems. What? The school created the problems, not the "student-athletes". |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2018 8:30:36 GMT -5
The only reason they have the "wait a year" transfer rule is because college basketball is the sleaziest sport and any number of scumbags will game that system otherwise. Agreed with the whole post until here. The rule isn't to prevent scumbags from gaming things, its trying to prevent kids from transferring out of their first choice (knowing their first choice is far more often than not their highest offer). |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2018 9:40:46 GMT -5
You are so bad at this.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 19, 2018 11:06:47 GMT -5
Why is it any different? These kids have every right to find the best fit for what they want. Playing time because it's more fun than sitting on the bench and/or you believe you'll play basketball professionally and need to market yourself to an employer and/or you like the coach you'll be spending like 50% of your time with better. I'm not arguing against this, but we all know that kids aren't transferring because of hardship under most terms -- it's because playing time, etc. But I'm fine with that, and I like that you have the option to transfer, but you made a commitment to the school. Sit out - gotta pay to play somewhere else. What? The school created the problems, not the "student-athletes". Is there a problem though? They could still play basketball under scholarship. Is that dependent upon having a particular coach? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 20:22:49 GMT -5
Guys you're looking at this from the players perspective, ignoring that many coaches come in and refuse to give playing time to veterans because they want their new recruits to be happy. Most incumbent players will be viewed by coaches as mere obstacles to the goal of developing the younger guys
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Post by MisterD on Mar 20, 2018 21:14:03 GMT -5
Is there a problem though? They could still play basketball under scholarship. Is that dependent upon having a particular coach? The coach they chose to play for in the first place? Seems self-evidently a “yes” on that one. |
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Post by durenduren on Mar 20, 2018 21:36:56 GMT -5
Guys you're looking at this from the players perspective, ignoring that many coaches come in and refuse to give playing time to veterans because they want their new recruits to be happy. Most incumbent players will be viewed by coaches as mere obstacles to the goal of developing the younger guys Obstacles Shombstacles. |
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