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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2018 8:57:48 GMT -5
Johnnie had atleast one major offer.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 9:53:51 GMT -5
Amar started 100 games at La Salle. He did but wasn't good enough to help La Salle do anything during his time. If you want to put that all on G then fine but I don't outside of recruiting him. I would say say he doesn't belong on that initial list 23 provided but he was far from being able to move the needle for this program.
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 22, 2018 9:57:34 GMT -5
Looks like my work here may be done. Tim Legler 2.0 ? Jack Hurd II ?
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2018 10:10:27 GMT -5
Or Cole Stefan? Or Darnell Harris? Or Kyle Griffin? Or ...
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Post by gymrat67 on Mar 22, 2018 10:16:38 GMT -5
Amar started 100 games at La Salle. Undeniably impressive, however, the recurring issue with Amar throughout his college basketball career was his frustratingly frequent inability to finish.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2018 10:21:34 GMT -5
Amar started 100 games at La Salle. He did but wasn't good enough to help La Salle do anything during his time. If you want to put that all on G then fine but I don't outside of recruiting him. I would say say he doesn't belong on that initial list 23 provided but he was far from being able to move the needle for this program. What did Donnie Carr or Rasual Butler help La Salle do during their time (if you're looking only at wins, tournament appearances, etc.)?
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 22, 2018 10:32:56 GMT -5
heard a rumor that chris arch may be leaning towards going the prep school route. have never seen him play in person but watched some video. the kid is a hard-nosed competitor but the mechanics on his shot concern me. his legs go flying in a hundred directions and he was rarely square to the basket when he shot. it shocked me since his brother was so mechanically sound.
if dr g invited him to campus to work out, i'll be shocked if he doesn't offer.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 10:52:21 GMT -5
He did but wasn't good enough to help La Salle do anything during his time. If you want to put that all on G then fine but I don't outside of recruiting him. I would say say he doesn't belong on that initial list 23 provided but he was far from being able to move the needle for this program. What did Donnie Carr or Rasual Butler help La Salle do during their time (if you're looking only at wins, tournament appearances, etc.)? They played in a A-10 Conference that was much tougher than today's A-10. I am also not looking only at wins for the program. Look at the production of Carr and Butler compared to Stukes. To say those two in the same breath as Stukes is really doing their time at La Salle a disservice. Rasual got to the A-10 semifinals. Amar never did.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2018 10:53:41 GMT -5
I'd argue taking the completely unnecessary shot you did above is the far bigger disservice to a former player, but that's just me.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 10:54:22 GMT -5
heard a rumor that chris arch may be leaning towards going the prep school route. have never seen him play in person but watched some video. the kid is a hard-nosed competitor but the mechanics on his shot concern me. his legs go flying in a hundred directions and he was rarely square to the basket when he shot. it shocked me since his brother was so mechanically sound. if dr g invited him to campus to work out, i'll be shocked if he doesn't offer. If I am G is am looking for kids that are as tough as nails as a requirement to be brought into the program. I think he falls in love with size and potential rather than looking at his player's mental toughness. For me that is severely lacking in this program and has except for the 2 year run we had when Ramon got here. Just my opinion.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 10:56:29 GMT -5
I'd argue taking the completely unnecessary shot you did above is the far bigger disservice to a former player, but that's just me. Not a shot at all. Just what I see as a basketball player. I am not saying he is bad kid or has some speech impediment. He is a great kid. I think he is severely overrated as a basketball player but not as a person. If we can't state an opinion on how the players play then why are we here on a basketball discussion board? But that is just me.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2018 10:59:56 GMT -5
What did Donnie Carr or Rasual Butler help La Salle do during their time (if you're looking only at wins, tournament appearances, etc.)? They played in a A-10 Conference that was much tougher than today's A-10. I am also not looking only at wins for the program. Look at the production of Carr and Butler compared to Stukes. To say those two in the same breath as Stukes is really doing their time at La Salle a disservice. Rasual got to the A-10 semifinals. Amar never did. You didn't initially bring up production in your statement. You said he didn't do anything to help La Salle in his time. Based on that, I'll ask again what (besides lots of points scored) did Donnie and Rasual do to help La Salle in their time as players that Amar didn't? If your argument is that an eventual NBA player got us to the A10 semifinals which we ultimately lost and meant nothing, that's a rather weak argument.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 11:13:46 GMT -5
They played in a A-10 Conference that was much tougher than today's A-10. I am also not looking only at wins for the program. Look at the production of Carr and Butler compared to Stukes. To say those two in the same breath as Stukes is really doing their time at La Salle a disservice. Rasual got to the A-10 semifinals. Amar never did. You didn't initially bring up production in your statement. You said he didn't do anything to help La Salle in his time. Based on that, I'll ask again what (besides lots of points scored) did Donnie and Rasual do to help La Salle in their time as players that Amar didn't? If your argument is that an eventual NBA player got us to the A10 semifinals which we ultimately lost and meant nothing, that's a rather weak argument. Let's see. Rasual played 10+ years in the NBA. That has helped us in recruiting. G told me to my face him playing in the NBA has helped recruiting. Both Donnie and Rasual gave me 4 years of pleasure watching them play. Amar never gave me that. He was extremely frustrating to watch. They were both top players at their position in the conference. Amar Stukes was a bottom half of the A-10 point guard. Steve Smith also didn't win anything but was a 2 time A-10 player of the year. You going to say Amar meant as much as Steve Smith to the program? For me that is enough to put them head of Amar Stukes. Any level headed basketball fan with no ax to grind because Amar was shunned would agree. I also said Amar didn't do much to move the needle. How about you make you case as to why Amar did move the needle since you seem to have all the answers?
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2018 11:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Mar 22, 2018 11:26:29 GMT -5
I just feel bad that Amar had to wear these shorts. Whoever agreed that two-tone yellow combo was acceptable / looked decent should be fired. Literally awful. Laughably bad. The colors don't match, and why did they only pattern the shorts??? Between these and the grey unis...
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2018 11:40:40 GMT -5
Let's see. Rasual played 10+ years in the NBA. That has helped us in recruiting. G told me to my face him playing in the NBA has helped recruiting. Both Donnie and Rasual gave me 4 years of pleasure watching them play. Amar never gave me that. I'm sure Amar feels bad that he never gave you pleasure. So your conclusion as to what Donnie and Rasual did for La Salle (your words earlier) that Stukes did not, was that they helped with recruiting (to, ironically, get players like Stukes) and gave you pleasure. Makes sense.
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 12:01:37 GMT -5
Let's see. Rasual played 10+ years in the NBA. That has helped us in recruiting. G told me to my face him playing in the NBA has helped recruiting. Both Donnie and Rasual gave me 4 years of pleasure watching them play. Amar never gave me that. I'm sure Amar feels bad that he never gave you pleasure. So your conclusion as to what Donnie and Rasual did for La Salle (your words earlier) that Stukes did not, was that they helped with recruiting (to, ironically, get players like Stukes) and gave you pleasure. Makes sense. Why can’t you answer my question? You like to react to what others think and critique their opinion but you never offer your counterpoint? What has Amar Stukes done to move the needle for the program?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2018 12:17:46 GMT -5
I'm sure Amar feels bad that he never gave you pleasure. So your conclusion as to what Donnie and Rasual did for La Salle (your words earlier) that Stukes did not, was that they helped with recruiting (to, ironically, get players like Stukes) and gave you pleasure. Makes sense. Why can’t you answer my question? You like to react to what others think and critique their opinion but you never offer your counterpoint? What has Amar Stukes done to move the needle for the program? I'm kind of waiting for you to answer my question, which you haven't. Why do you answer a question with a question? His role was not to move the needle for the program. His role was to be a student-athlete. His work in the community is well documented (links above), he finished 12th all-time in assists, and is now 2nd in single season FT percentage. What needle did you want him to move? Putting it on an individual role player to "move the needle" for the program is an unrealistic expectation. I never claimed to have all the answers, but I don't see the point in attacking a young man who improved and grew every year as a player and was a good representative for La Salle on and off the court simply because he did not give you pleasure to watch (your words).
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 12:25:00 GMT -5
Why can’t you answer my question? You like to react to what others think and critique their opinion but you never offer your counterpoint? What has Amar Stukes done to move the needle for the program? I'm kind of waiting for you to answer my question, which you haven't. Why do you answer a question with a question? His role was not to move the needle for the program. His role was to be a student-athlete. His work in the community is well documented (links above), he finished 12th all-time in assists, and is not 2nd in single season FT percentage. What needle did you want him to move? Putting it on an individual role player to "move the needle" for the program is an unrealistic expectation. I never claimed to have all the answers, but I don't see the point in attacking a young man who improved and grew every year as a player and was a good representative for La Salle on and off the court simply because he did not give you pleasure to watch (your words). Haha. You are just ridiculous. I will end this cordially and just say agree to disagree.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2018 12:55:02 GMT -5
Haha. You are just ridiculous. I will end this cordially and just say agree to disagree. Good to see you going ad hominem and putting up the proverbial white flag when asked to back up your thesis.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2018 12:58:06 GMT -5
While he admittedly falls short of your "did he ever play in the NBA or get a tryout invite" threshold, he had himself a solid career on the court. More than that, he was a great rep for the school and the program and did nothing (other than being sub-NBA) to deserve the bullshit call-out above.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 22, 2018 13:58:44 GMT -5
G is really looking at grad transfers and normal transfers this spring. I have seen 4 different players he has reached out to that are transfers: Evan Daniels Verified account @evandaniels 47m47 minutes ago More Maine transfer Aaron Calixte has heard from Oklahoma, Arizona, Missouri, St. Bonaventure, Ole Miss, DePaul, Temple, Grand Canyon & La Salle. Averaged 16.9 PPG last season. can you share with us who the 3 other transfers besides calixte who dr g has reached out to?
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Post by explorer88 on Mar 22, 2018 14:20:09 GMT -5
G is really looking at grad transfers and normal transfers this spring. I have seen 4 different players he has reached out to that are transfers: Evan Daniels Verified account @evandaniels 47m47 minutes ago More Maine transfer Aaron Calixte has heard from Oklahoma, Arizona, Missouri, St. Bonaventure, Ole Miss, DePaul, Temple, Grand Canyon & La Salle. Averaged 16.9 PPG last season. can you share with us who the 3 other transfers besides calixte who dr g has reached out to? I don’t remember the names other than Ar’mond Davis who sat out at Alabama due to injury. I thought one of the others I read was the guard from Upstate University.
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 22, 2018 22:10:13 GMT -5
To be clear - I'm 100% sure that G will go watch Arcidiacano work out at his HS or with his AAU program. To my knowledge, colleges can't work kids out until they are enrolled. Now he could stop by to get some run with the current players, but no coaches will be in the gym. G would have to go off what his current players say. One thing G does is abide by NCAA rules.
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Post by 23won on Mar 23, 2018 5:37:19 GMT -5
heard a rumor that chris arch may be leaning towards going the prep school route. have never seen him play in person but watched some video. the kid is a hard-nosed competitor but the mechanics on his shot concern me. his legs go flying in a hundred directions and he was rarely square to the basket when he shot. it shocked me since his brother was so mechanically sound. if dr g invited him to campus to work out, i'll be shocked if he doesn't offer. If I am G is am looking for kids that are as tough as nails as a requirement to be brought into the program. I think he falls in love with size and potential rather than looking at his player's mental toughness. For me that is severely lacking in this program and has except for the 2 year run we had when Ramon got here. Just my opinion. I think that is a good observation but something G has never brought in outside Ramon. G tends to pick “nice and reserved” kids he can control and mold. I think Cleon has some edge to him and G forced that out of his game which imo was a disservice. I’d like some kids playing with some elbows and edge.
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Post by 23won on Mar 23, 2018 5:45:47 GMT -5
heard a rumor that chris arch may be leaning towards going the prep school route. have never seen him play in person but watched some video. the kid is a hard-nosed competitor but the mechanics on his shot concern me. his legs go flying in a hundred directions and he was rarely square to the basket when he shot. it shocked me since his brother was so mechanically sound. if dr g invited him to campus to work out, i'll be shocked if he doesn't offer. If shot mechanics are his only issue there is an easy fix - have him work out with and learn from Jamir
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Post by manayunk53 on Mar 23, 2018 8:22:03 GMT -5
heard a rumor that chris arch may be leaning towards going the prep school route. have never seen him play in person but watched some video. the kid is a hard-nosed competitor but the mechanics on his shot concern me. his legs go flying in a hundred directions and he was rarely square to the basket when he shot. it shocked me since his brother was so mechanically sound. if dr g invited him to campus to work out, i'll be shocked if he doesn't offer. If shot mechanics are his only issue there is an easy fix - have him work out with and learn from Jamir Maybe that's why Moultrie never plays. G wants him to focus on his main role as a shooting coach.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 23, 2018 13:05:03 GMT -5
To be clear - I'm 100% sure that G will go watch Arcidiacano work out at his HS or with his AAU program. To my knowledge, colleges can't work kids out until they are enrolled. Now he could stop by to get some run with the current players, but no coaches will be in the gym. G would have to go off what his current players say. One thing G does is abide by NCAA rules. you are 100% correct. forgot about that rule. if dr g does offer, it probably does not hurt la salle's chances that chris played on the same aau team (philly pride) as jack clark and ed croswell.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 23, 2018 17:10:53 GMT -5
so....I guess this didn't happen today...
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 23, 2018 17:17:54 GMT -5
so....I guess this didn't happen today... Maybe it did? Someone pointed out that it would have been a violation. Maybe G gave him a few things to work on headed into spring AAU season
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