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Post by theneumann64 on Jun 21, 2018 10:45:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of let this go in whatever direction it went (not to be mention created this thread way back before the Election, which, um, backfired on me. And I thought as long as everything stayed in this thread- fine. But as we start getting into the racist/bigoted stuff (which is what Steve's last post was, no matter what he claims), I start getting to the point of shutting it down entirely, which I don't want to do.
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Post by calsufan on Jun 21, 2018 11:24:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of let this go in whatever direction it went (not to be mention created this thread way back before the Election, which, um, backfired on me. And I thought as long as everything stayed in this thread- fine. But as we start getting into the racist/bigoted stuff (which is what Steve's last post was, no matter what he claims), I start getting to the point of shutting it down entirely, which I don't want to do. Some people are just small-minded, xenophobic, unchristian people.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jun 21, 2018 13:06:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of let this go in whatever direction it went (not to be mention created this thread way back before the Election, which, um, backfired on me. And I thought as long as everything stayed in this thread- fine. But as we start getting into the racist/bigoted stuff (which is what Steve's last post was, no matter what he claims), I start getting to the point of shutting it down entirely, which I don't want to do. Shucks, I had a lot of questions for Steve. I am not a regular Fox news watcher and need to get the straight scoop. My questions have mostly to do with our President's past. Like is it true he money laundered for the mob in AC back in the day? Oh, and was that almost a nearly 1 billion dollar rolling forward tax cut he took in the 90's due to business losses? And......was he really the recipient of 4 bankruptcy bailouts? But perhaps the biggie of questions, did his business really get rescued by laundering Russian mob, I mean oligarchs money. It would explain why he is so kind to those folks for sure and nobody knows where in the heck he got his funds to again rescue his business? Steve I will believe what ever you tell me! Donald has been known to tell a fib or 2 but I am prepared to trust you bro!
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Post by durenduren on Jun 23, 2018 13:47:48 GMT -5
Bad timing for a vacation - I missed Steve comparing me to Hillary Clinton and then saying some stupid racist stuff.
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Post by coachd on Jun 25, 2018 8:33:07 GMT -5
If we want to have a politics thread here, fine, but cut the fucking racist shit. Its a bad look for all of us just being associated with you. This shows how unhinged the left in this country is... they think enforcing existing immigration laws and building a wall to keep people from illegally entering our United States is racist! And then think it is ok to tell those who don't think like them to use F bombs like the Hollywood elitists do against them. Very sad.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 25, 2018 8:40:16 GMT -5
Fuck yourself, Steve.
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Post by durenduren on Jun 25, 2018 9:25:17 GMT -5
And then think it is ok to tell those who don't think like them to use F bombs like the Hollywood elitists do against them. Very sad. This was hardly a cohesive thought, but isn't Trump literally a 'Hollywood elitist'? Last I checked he's got a Walk of Fame star.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 16, 2018 15:17:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I kind of let this go in whatever direction it went (not to be mention created this thread way back before the Election, which, um, backfired on me. And I thought as long as everything stayed in this thread- fine. But as we start getting into the racist/bigoted stuff (which is what Steve's last post was, no matter what he claims), I start getting to the point of shutting it down entirely, which I don't want to do. Shucks, I had a lot of questions for Steve. I am not a regular Fox news watcher and need to get the straight scoop. My questions have mostly to do with our President's past. Like is it true he money laundered for the mob in AC back in the day? Oh, and was that almost a nearly 1 billion dollar rolling forward tax cut he took in the 90's due to business losses? And......was he really the recipient of 4 bankruptcy bailouts? But perhaps the biggie of questions, did his business really get rescued by laundering Russian mob, I mean oligarchs money. It would explain why he is so kind to those folks for sure and nobody knows where in the heck he got his funds to again rescue his business? Steve I will believe what ever you tell me! Donald has been known to tell a fib or 2 but I am prepared to trust you bro! Steve, After hearing Vlad vouch for Donald today I feel so much more secure about our president. F all of our security agencies and whatever they find about his past money laundering for the Russian mob! The Pope couldn't change my view now! Hey Steve any chance the the Donald might axe Pence (and of course Mueller and crew) and bring Vlad on as VP? Likely not, but we could only hope right Steve ?
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Post by calsufan on Jul 18, 2018 15:22:49 GMT -5
Shucks, I had a lot of questions for Steve. I am not a regular Fox news watcher and need to get the straight scoop. My questions have mostly to do with our President's past. Like is it true he money laundered for the mob in AC back in the day? Oh, and was that almost a nearly 1 billion dollar rolling forward tax cut he took in the 90's due to business losses? And......was he really the recipient of 4 bankruptcy bailouts? But perhaps the biggie of questions, did his business really get rescued by laundering Russian mob, I mean oligarchs money. It would explain why he is so kind to those folks for sure and nobody knows where in the heck he got his funds to again rescue his business? Steve I will believe what ever you tell me! Donald has been known to tell a fib or 2 but I am prepared to trust you bro! Steve, After hearing Vlad vouch for Donald today I feel so much more secure about our president. F all of our security agencies and whatever they find about his past money laundering for the Russian mob! The Pope couldn't change my view now! Hey Steve any chance the the Donald might axe Pence (and of course Mueller and crew) and bring Vlad on as VP? Likely not, but we could only hope right Steve ? No response to this yet? Maybe treasonous behavior is Steve's limit?
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 18, 2018 16:23:06 GMT -5
I did not want to post to this thread because it is no win but you can't have treason when you are not a war with someone. The left is throwing that word around like it is candy. Just ridiculous.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 18, 2018 17:49:55 GMT -5
trea·son ˈtrēzən/Submit noun the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 18, 2018 19:23:30 GMT -5
Steve, After hearing Vlad vouch for Donald today I feel so much more secure about our president. F all of our security agencies and whatever they find about his past money laundering for the Russian mob! The Pope couldn't change my view now! Hey Steve any chance the the Donald might axe Pence (and of course Mueller and crew) and bring Vlad on as VP? Likely not, but we could only hope right Steve ? No response to this yet? Maybe treasonous behavior is Steve's limit? I can understand Steve’s silence. Like many proud Americans, I too have to admit to experiencing a lengthy period of speechlessness. For me it has been due to being quite overwhelmed trying to process the intensity of my gushing American pride and the unpalpable patriotic fervor inspired upon witnessing Vlad and Donald on stage together. Unarguably men cut from the same cloth. The stage exuded such boundless character, dignity and integrity! I must confess having one of our native sons making it to this pinnacle, sharing the world stage with this fine statesmen and classy respected world leader deeply moved and inspired me. Donald’s behavior showed obvious signs of reverence and profound appreciation for this special opportunity. And these guys will obviously make quite a team! REAL winners! I frankly do not see anybody or anything stopping them. Wouldn’t you have liked to be a fly on the wall at their secret meeting? The accomplished oligarch and the aspiring oligarch making plans for the future of the world? Of course! one can only imagine the HUGE plans of these 2 titans. NATO now passe! Montenegro annexed by the good guys by Christmas! And then….. I am so excited! Looking forward to all the winning! this is so much more entertaining than any reality show!
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Post by theneumann64 on Jul 18, 2018 19:43:49 GMT -5
I did not want to post to this thread because it is no win but you can't have treason when you are not a war with someone. The left is throwing that word around like it is candy. Just ridiculous. Russia committed an act of war against us in 2016. So providing aid and comfort to them while they are waging war against us is treasonous, even by your definition. Unless you’re saying we’re not at war because we’ve not officially declared war, in which case you’d have to not consider an American citizen (let alone a leader) supporting North Vietnam, or Al Qaeda, or even the Soviets during the Cold War, would not be treasonous, as Congress never declared war.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 18, 2018 19:50:31 GMT -5
There is nothing in the definition of treason involving "war."
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 18, 2018 20:11:58 GMT -5
I did not want to post to this thread because it is no win but you can't have treason when you are not a war with someone. The left is throwing that word around like it is candy. Just ridiculous. Russia committed an act of war against us in 2016. So providing aid and comfort to them while they are waging war against us is treasonous, even by your definition. Unless you’re saying we’re not at war because we’ve not officially declared war, in which case you’d have to not consider an American citizen (let alone a leader) supporting North Vietnam, or Al Qaeda, or even the Soviets during the Cold War, would not be treasonous, as Congress never declared war. Russia has been doing stuff like that for many elections. I would say China as well. This is the world we live in now. The treason charge is absolutely 100% ridiculous and not even close to approachable.
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 18, 2018 20:13:46 GMT -5
There is nothing in the definition of treason involving "war." That is the base for charging the President. Classroom text definition is entirely different than practice.
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Post by olneyman on Jul 18, 2018 20:56:13 GMT -5
Title 18, United States Code, Section 2381:
“Whoever owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them, or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States”
Not making a statement one way or the other on the applicability to the current situation, but this is the statute
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Post by MisterD on Jul 18, 2018 21:00:05 GMT -5
I say this with all honesty and due respect to Steve: The only reason he's not commenting here is because the Republicans haven't been able to unite themselves into a universal talking point. As soon as he knows what he's supposed to say, he'll be here to proudly say it.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jul 18, 2018 21:20:58 GMT -5
Russia committed an act of war against us in 2016. So providing aid and comfort to them while they are waging war against us is treasonous, even by your definition. Unless you’re saying we’re not at war because we’ve not officially declared war, in which case you’d have to not consider an American citizen (let alone a leader) supporting North Vietnam, or Al Qaeda, or even the Soviets during the Cold War, would not be treasonous, as Congress never declared war. Russia has been doing stuff like that for many elections. I would say China as well. This is the world we live in now. The treason charge is absolutely 100% ridiculous and not even close to approachable. So what word would you use to describe Trump's fealty towards Russia?
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Post by durenduren on Jul 19, 2018 7:55:18 GMT -5
I say this with all honesty and due respect to Steve: The only reason he's not commenting here is because the Republicans haven't been able to unite themselves into a universal talking point. As soon as he knows what he's supposed to say, he'll be here to proudly say it. You can get Steve to appear by saying Hillary's name three times, but you need to scream 'email server' at the end for it to work. Go on, give it a try!
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 19, 2018 12:48:08 GMT -5
Title 18, United States Code, Section 2381: “Whoever owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them, or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States” Not making a statement one way or the other on the applicability to the current situation, but this is the statute I guess the question is whether or not you consider Russia an enemy.
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Post by golasalle on Jul 19, 2018 13:18:39 GMT -5
Title 18, United States Code, Section 2381: “Whoever owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them, or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States” Not making a statement one way or the other on the applicability to the current situation, but this is the statute I guess the question is whether or not you consider Russia an enemy. Well, there is one orange nitwit who does not...
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 19, 2018 17:59:01 GMT -5
No response to this yet? Maybe treasonous behavior is Steve's limit? I can understand Steve’s silence. Like many proud Americans, I too have to admit to experiencing a lengthy period of speechlessness. For me it has been due to being quite overwhelmed trying to process the intensity of my gushing American pride and the unpalpable patriotic fervor inspired upon witnessing Vlad and Donald on stage together. Unarguably men cut from the same cloth. The stage exuded such boundless character, dignity and integrity! I must confess having one of our native sons making it to this pinnacle, sharing the world stage with this fine statesmen and classy respected world leader deeply moved and inspired me. Donald’s behavior showed obvious signs of reverence and profound appreciation for this special opportunity. And these guys will obviously make quite a team! REAL winners! I frankly do not see anybody or anything stopping them. Wouldn’t you have liked to be a fly on the wall at their secret meeting? The accomplished oligarch and the aspiring oligarch making plans for the future of the world? Of course! one can only imagine the HUGE plans of these 2 titans. NATO now passe! Montenegro annexed by the good guys by Christmas! And then….. I am so excited! Looking forward to all the winning! this is so much more entertaining than any reality show! Hold on to your hat! And you thought Helsinki was a patriotic thriller! Prepare to fly to the heights of patriotic rapture! Don has asked Vlad if he will visit the USA this Fall. We could be so lucky, perhaps Don might consider turning over those criminals (the past traitorous U S Ambassador to Russia et. al.) who Vlad is seeking from the US during this time. A ceremonial frog walk of the perps accompanied by a fitting piece played by a US military band might cap the occasion and certainly impress Mr Putin. Oh how we are winning! Things just keep getting better! On another matter word on the street is that the bold and outspoken Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats will be replaced shortly by one of the cast members of Duck Dynasty. Don needs to determine which one seems most loyal to him. The contest is quite close so far!
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Post by ltrain38 on Jul 26, 2018 0:42:53 GMT -5
Anyone who uses the phrase "the left" un-ironically has no credibility. There was no left in the US at all before the 2016 election cycle: from an economic standpoint, we have a far-right party and a center-right party that appears to be moving left now.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 26, 2018 5:33:38 GMT -5
Farm bailouts! Socialism!
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 26, 2018 6:44:12 GMT -5
Anyone who uses the phrase "the left" un-ironically has no credibility. There was no left in the US at all before the 2016 election cycle: from an economic standpoint, we have a far-right party and a center-right party that appears to be moving left now. Call it what you want. There is a movement in the Democratic Party that can’t be bargained with, is intolerant, and who has ideals that many Americans cannot relate to. The country is becoming more divided where the middle moderate has to choose to go to one side rather than each side settling in the middle. The left and the right are becoming more defined every day. To say there is no left is impossible to comprehend for me given today’s environment.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jul 26, 2018 7:33:54 GMT -5
Ok, so there's an emerging real left now, that started with the Sanders campaign, but from a purely economic perspective it would be ridiculous to talk about a left that had an influence in American public life between 1968 and 2015. Reagan essentially tore down the Keynesian economic consensus in favor of an absolute pro-capital view which Democratic candidates more or less completely accepted (see: Clinton, Bill) for a generation. This is, I would add, a set of economic policies that have seen average growth, more frequent recessions, and no real wage growth for forty years. I'll buy that a real left is emerging and that some even call themselves socialists - they're not, since they still believe in markets and private property, but 50 years of Republicans using that term cynically to associate their opponents with the Soviet Union without actually saying that has left us with a country that doesn't know what it means and has taken the sting out of it.
I think when most conservatives say "the left," they're talking about it from the viewpoint of cultural issues, not economic ones. And most of that is about the activities of students, a frequent feature on conservative media. But high school and college students are constantly testing out ideas and identities that are often un-nuanced and a little extreme and the correct response to that is for people who aren't on campuses to not worry about it, it will be fine. And if the concern is the rising salience of identity issues, I can't really buy that either - Trump was fundamentally an identity candidate and before that, we had the "culture wars" going back to the 1990s - I've yet to hear a convincing explanation of how culture wars are different from identity politics, except that the identities they activate ("conservative Catholic," "evangelical," "white," "rural") aren't usually defined as "minority," and therefore are just treated like some universal baseline. And I think the identity of party - simply considering oneself a Democrat or Republican is a marker of identity - drives most people's issue positions more than consistent principles. I watch the shift in some movement conservatives I know (I used to be one when I was at La Salle, but you might have guessed I'm not now) in the last few years towards restrictionist views of immigration and more skepticism on trade (if you want a Democratic equivalent, look no further than the labor opposition to immigration a generation ago giving way to a much more open immigration policy). These identities determine where people stand and that's not a phenomenon of the left.
I also thing the "middle moderate" is something of an endangered species. While the number of independent voters is rising substantially, a large number are still hyper-partisans more extreme than their own natural party. Others have attached to the label of occupying the center, but given my views on how identity works, would probably be comfortable with the center between any two major parties, regardless of where that center was located.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 26, 2018 7:45:25 GMT -5
Anyone who uses the phrase "the left" un-ironically has no credibility. There was no left in the US at all before the 2016 election cycle: from an economic standpoint, we have a far-right party and a center-right party that appears to be moving left now. Call it what you want. There is a movement in the Democratic Party that can’t be bargained with, is intolerant, and who has ideals that many Americans cannot relate to. The country is becoming more divided where the middle moderate has to choose to go to one side rather than each side settling in the middle. The left and the right are becoming more defined every day. To say there is no left is impossible to comprehend for me given today’s environment. Ah come on Mik see the bigger picture, don’t be so hard on the democrats. Before the Russians and now the Republicans there was the democrats. Without the democrats there is probably no president Trump! You have to give some deserved credit here. For many years when he was in New York and New Jersey, a democrat himself, “fixers” successfully worked their magic on Don’s behalf with democratically controlled government officials.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 26, 2018 8:31:08 GMT -5
The left and the right are becoming more defined every day. To say there is no left is impossible to comprehend for me given today’s environment. The difference is societal left versus system left. The former has always existed, the latter has mostly only existed in the fantasies of Fox News. Truly terrifying days ...
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