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Post by jellybean on May 18, 2014 6:27:12 GMT -5
Dobbins will retire his number. Tremendous players at that school. Pappy, Overton, Kimble and Gathers. Congrats Jerrell.
Interested in what type of numbers people think he will put up this year.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 19, 2014 7:15:27 GMT -5
Dobbins will retire his number. Tremendous players at that school. Pappy, Overton, Kimble and Gathers. Congrats Jerrell. Interested in what type of numbers people think he will put up this year. He should be like an 18 and 10 guy, but I said last year that I thought he could be the best player in the city. When he is on the court and not worried about being taken off the court, he is the best big in the city, I think pretty easily. He also started taking the ball of the dribble every now and then, which makes him almost un-guardable because teams can't just double him. He had games last year where he was THE offense. That said, I don't think Giannini can get him the ball in any way other than a dump. His limitations as a mover on the court make running plays for him difficult and he isn't the best passer. Still, i think 18 and 10 (and 26min per game) is realistic. |
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Post by lasalle69bestever on May 19, 2014 15:12:48 GMT -5
I really hope he worked on a 10-15 foot jumper, along his right hand.
If so, he and Zack would be pretty darn tough. Besides our new backcourt - I believe Tony Washington could be a very big key.
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Post by broderickpresident on May 19, 2014 18:35:16 GMT -5
Dobbins will retire his number. Tremendous players at that school. Pappy, Overton, Kimble and Gathers. Congrats Jerrell. Interested in what type of numbers people think he will put up this year. He should be like an 18 and 10 guy, but I said last year that I thought he could be the best player in the city. When he is on the court and not worried about being taken off the court, he is the best big in the city, I think pretty easily. He also started taking the ball of the dribble every now and then, which makes him almost un-guardable because teams can't just double him. He had games last year where he was THE offense. That said, I don't think Giannini can get him the ball in any way other than a dump. His limitations as a mover on the court make running plays for him difficult and he isn't the best passer. Still, i think 18 and 10 (and 26min per game) is realistic. 18 and 10 in 26 MPG would make him the best player in the country. I'd be thrilled with a consistent 14 and 7 |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 20, 2014 9:42:58 GMT -5
He should be like an 18 and 10 guy, but I said last year that I thought he could be the best player in the city. When he is on the court and not worried about being taken off the court, he is the best big in the city, I think pretty easily. He also started taking the ball of the dribble every now and then, which makes him almost un-guardable because teams can't just double him. He had games last year where he was THE offense. That said, I don't think Giannini can get him the ball in any way other than a dump. His limitations as a mover on the court make running plays for him difficult and he isn't the best passer. Still, i think 18 and 10 (and 26min per game) is realistic. 18 and 10 in 26 MPG would make him the best player in the country. I'd be thrilled with a consistent 14 and 7 Well he went 13.3 and 6.6 last year, so that is a marginal jump into his senior year. This was in 25.4 minutes. I think he is a 26-30 min per game guy. That is it. I'd say that to get 10 rebounds, he'd need to be closer to 30. He isn't a rebounding machine like Zack is, but he got near 20 points in some games at just 26-30 min. The points should be an easy get, especially if Giannini continues to push him the ball at the rate that he did at the last year. |
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Post by broderickpresident on May 20, 2014 17:38:19 GMT -5
18 and 10 is asking for a ton in under 30, is all I'm saying. The fewest MPG by a guy to average at least 18 and 10 in DI in the last ~20 seasons is 29 MPG by Luke Harangody, who was an all-american.
Lionel played about 38 MPG and was good for about 25 & 11 in his career. In 30 MPG (let alone less) that translates to about 19.5 & 8.5. 18 and 10 is asking for a TON in those minutes.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 21, 2014 9:36:30 GMT -5
I'll up it to 30. I think Jerrell can put up Luke Harangody numbers at La Salle against the A10.
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Post by blueandgold on May 21, 2014 9:50:05 GMT -5
am I crazy for thinking or saying maybe both Wright and Zack should be on the floor 30+ MPG this year with less usage of 4-guard lineups? even if Washington can contribute (is 10-15 MPG reasonable expectation for 14-15?) - it may not be a bad idea to try something a little different than the last 2 or 3 seasons.
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Post by explorerman on May 21, 2014 10:53:05 GMT -5
am I crazy for thinking or saying maybe both Wright and Zack should be on the floor 30+ MPG this year with less usage of 4-guard lineups? even if Washington can contribute (is 10-15 MPG reasonable expectation for 14-15?) - it may not be a bad idea to try something a little different than the last 2 or 3 seasons. Both players have extreme limitations.. I would prefer going back to what gave La Salle success. La Salle will have the guards to play 4 across... It is time for Giannini to go for success instead of playing the typical lineup where success is limited because we don't have the horses to compete with the higher level teams.. Let Wright and Zack start until the first media timeout, sit whichever player is in foul trouble (there will always be one).. We have the shooters between Price and Roberts and Shuler for the open look as teams will certainly shift over to them... Let Stukes, Peterson, Brown and Lewis figure out the 4th spot.... Being that Roberts and Price are 6'5 it will make going 4 much easy than years past... Let pick and rolls develop with the 5 and whoever is being guarded by the 4.... with the latter pick and roll being extremely dangerous as it should be Price and Roberts that will be open for the pop out.. |
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Post by a10champion15 on May 21, 2014 11:52:54 GMT -5
am I crazy for thinking or saying maybe both Wright and Zack should be on the floor 30+ MPG this year with less usage of 4-guard lineups? even if Washington can contribute (is 10-15 MPG reasonable expectation for 14-15?) - it may not be a bad idea to try something a little different than the last 2 or 3 seasons. Both players have extreme limitations.. I would prefer going back to what gave La Salle success. La Salle will have the guards to play 4 across... It is time for Giannini to go for success instead of playing the typical lineup where success is limited because we don't have the horses to compete with the higher level teams.. Let Wright and Zack start until the first media timeout, sit whichever player is in foul trouble (there will always be one).. We have the shooters between Price and Roberts and Shuler for the open look as teams will certainly shift over to them... Let Stukes, Peterson, Brown and Lewis figure out the 4th spot.... Being that Roberts and Price are 6'5 it will make going 4 much easy than years past... Let pick and rolls develop with the 5 and whoever is being guarded by the 4.... with the latter pick and roll being extremely dangerous as it should be Price and Roberts that will be open for the pop out.. I like the idea about the 4 guard line up but I have my doubts with it working next year. One being our guards are inexperienced whatever way you slice it. Price and Roberts could be rusty. Shuler and Amar are going to need some time but I think both will be good guards, how good I don't know. Khalid needs to improve his shot as well as Peterson although both are outstanding defenders. While I think we have many capable guards I will have to see it to believe it. I am sure at times G will go with a 4 guard line up. However there is another point not to go with a 4 guard line up. We have a relatively big team next year, why not use it. We will have one of the best duos with Zack and Wright. Looking around the A10 a lot of good big men are gone Kavanaugh, Halil and Loe being a few. Dayton legitimately doesn't have a valuable big man, we play them twice. SJU, SLU and Richmond don't have the great big men. Never thought Ndao, Manning or Nelson-Ododa were very good or would be a big problem for Zack or Wright seeing that none of them are over 6-8. My starting line up would be Roberts, Price, Peterson, Zack and Wright. |
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Post by explorerman on May 21, 2014 13:16:20 GMT -5
Both players have extreme limitations.. I would prefer going back to what gave La Salle success. La Salle will have the guards to play 4 across... It is time for Giannini to go for success instead of playing the typical lineup where success is limited because we don't have the horses to compete with the higher level teams.. Let Wright and Zack start until the first media timeout, sit whichever player is in foul trouble (there will always be one).. We have the shooters between Price and Roberts and Shuler for the open look as teams will certainly shift over to them... Let Stukes, Peterson, Brown and Lewis figure out the 4th spot.... Being that Roberts and Price are 6'5 it will make going 4 much easy than years past... Let pick and rolls develop with the 5 and whoever is being guarded by the 4.... with the latter pick and roll being extremely dangerous as it should be Price and Roberts that will be open for the pop out.. I like the idea about the 4 guard line up but I have my doubts with it working next year. One being our guards are inexperienced whatever way you slice it. Price and Roberts could be rusty. Shuler and Amar are going to need some time but I think both will be good guards, how good I don't know. Khalid needs to improve his shot as well as Peterson although both are outstanding defenders. While I think we have many capable guards I will have to see it to believe it. I am sure at times G will go with a 4 guard line up. However there is another point not to go with a 4 guard line up. We have a relatively big team next year, why not use it. We will have one of the best duos with Zack and Wright. Looking around the A10 a lot of good big men are gone Kavanaugh, Halil and Loe being a few. Dayton legitimately doesn't have a valuable big man, we play them twice. SJU, SLU and Richmond don't have the great big men. Never thought Ndao, Manning or Nelson-Ododa were very good or would be a big problem for Zack or Wright seeing that none of them are over 6-8. My starting line up would be Roberts, Price, Peterson, Zack and Wright. Everyone can state opinions and I respect everyone who is still on the board during part of the year... But I totally disagree with the sediment that being tall will bring success. Giannini tired the 6'5 and higher lineup and it failed miserably.. Inexperience is highly overrated.. National champions every year are lead by freshman and sophomores... Stukes has a full year of college basketball under his belt and Roberts and Price have had 2 years... You win games with talent, not experience.. Comparing the previous two years does all of the talking for me.. Peterson absolutely has zero reason to be in the lineup and Giannini plays him then this again speaks to Giannini lack of basketball coaching abilities... If this past season wasn't enough for you then I can't help you.. La salle got a major influx of talent in the past 14 months it has been sitting there and is time to use it... Giannini needs to win now or the 2012-13 is for not... He is working with a lot high potential guards in the 2015 Class whose skills are a perfect match with a 4 guard open offense.. We have a glut of them now so they wanna where the Playing Time is... A 4 guard offense did it.. It failed this year because 2 of the 4 guards are putrid shooters.. Shooting is crucial and Giannini has two top notch perimeter shooters waiting.. Shuler perimeter shot in my mind is extremely underrated and could be a great weapon when provided those open looks when defense provide cover help... Lewis and Garland saw many of those and missed terribly... I would rather go under 500 with a chance to be 23 win team than a consistent 16-18 win team which by playing Wright and Zack together for 30+ mins will provide... They are good but not that good to lead us where we want to go... College basketball is a guards game and it has been that way for a while now, you need to jump on or we will be left behind.. |
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Post by a10champion15 on May 21, 2014 13:58:33 GMT -5
Explorerman
All respect. Peterson to me isn't a numbers guy, he isn't the sharpest shooter but he makes little mistakes and played well both freshmen and sophomore year. IMO he is a great glue guy and for some reason didn't play well last season. I also have the inclination Khalid Lewis will improve this season. I think injuries set him back more then many thought.
But your reply makes me ask one question. Are Price, Roberts, Amar and Shuler significantly better replacements to Mill, Duren and Garland? Will they bring a significant offensive power to this team as opposed to having Wright and Zack play together. I really like what Wright and Zack bring to the team. Do I want them on the court with each other 30+ minutes? Of course not but I think it will be necessary sometimes based on the matchup such as GW, URI, GM and UMass who all have solid front courts. I think Rohan can contribute and is an asset that is under utilized. Also I am interested to see if Jermaine made any progress especially concerning his conditioning. What will Tony bring to the team? There just a lot of questions right now. The team could be very good or the team could lack what Jon Roth said lack an "edge" and be a lackluster 500 team.
The talent there but it needs to transfer on the court. Also our schedule provides A LOT of opportunities Miami and Temple @ Palestra (both of which should battle for bids), Nova at home, potentially UVA IF we beat Rutgers. The A10 schedule is brutal but with many opportunities play Dayton and UMass twice, GW home, URI (twice) could also be a sleeper.
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Post by MisterD on May 21, 2014 14:59:57 GMT -5
I count 3 players in the nation who were 18-10 last year, all below the A-10 level.
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Post by jellybean on Jun 15, 2014 7:09:02 GMT -5
cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/06/la-salles-wright-honored-at-dobbins/Like G said, it's hard to improve a lot from your Jr to Sr year in college especially since he has played a lot. Jerrell should be a better player this year by becoming better in all the phases of the game. For those that want him to develop a right hand, I'm sorry. It won't happen. What will happen is him developing another move down low like the jump hook he unveiled this past season. He can develop better court awareness. Cut down on turnovers and improve his passing. Become a better defensive rebounder and a better defender ( shock to me that he had 34 & 36 blocks in his first two years but only 14 last year. Same with steals.). Jerrell is a consistent career 57% shooter from the field and 60-63% from the line. I don't expect a big bump in either. Starting with the month of February (last 11 games), Wright had 170 pts(15.45) and 91(8.27) rebounds in 303 minutes (27.5), numbers which I would love to see carry over to this season. BTW, if you dropped the worst game, he would have been 16.4 pts and 8.7 rebs. in 28.3 minutes. If Jerrell can improve a little on last year's production, he will join some elite company in the 1500 pts and 850 rebounds. I believe he would be the 7th player to have that combination ( Gola, Simmons,Brooks,Lewis,Smith and Durrett).
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