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Feb 9, 2014 15:56:17 GMT -5
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Post by talkinbball on Feb 9, 2014 15:56:17 GMT -5
There has been very little discussion about this but I have been thinking about it so am wondering what others think. How much, if any, should G be held responsible for this year's disappointing season? I think it is fair to say that we have gone from having the most over achieving season in any one's memory to one of the most under achieving. It seems to me that the only player who has shown any noticeable improvement this year versus last is the only starter who did not participate in last year's run i.e. Zack. I think a case could be made that everyone else who played meaningful minutes last year has not only not improved but their play may have actually regressed (we could argue about who falls into what category but I think no argument could be made that anyone else's game has improved). It has also seemed to me that this team has been playing almost from the beginning of the year with no sense of urgency and generally without confidence. I know I also have a problem with the constant substitutions and lack of offensive set plays. These have been issues from the past. So, given the above, (or feel free to disagree with any, or all, of it), because of the tremendous "goodwill" built up from last year's success does G get a free pass for this year's team and we just start all over again next season. I am not even certain where I am on this.
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Feb 9, 2014 16:32:24 GMT -5
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Post by explorerman on Feb 9, 2014 16:32:24 GMT -5
There has been very little discussion about this but I have been thinking about it so am wondering what others think. How much, if any, should G be held responsible for this year's disappointing season? I think it is fair to say that we have gone from having the most over achieving season in any one's memory to one of the most under achieving. It seems to me that the only player who has shown any noticeable improvement this year versus last is the only starter who did not participate in last year's run i.e. Zack. I think a case could be made that everyone else who played meaningful minutes last year has not only not improved but their play may have actually regressed (we could argue about who falls into what category but I think no argument could be made that anyone else's game has improved). It has also seemed to me that this team has been playing almost from the beginning of the year with no sense of urgency and generally without confidence. I know I also have a problem with the constant substitutions and lack of offensive set plays. These have been issues from the past. So, given the above, (or feel free to disagree with any, or all, of it), because of the tremendous "goodwill" built up from last year's success does G get a free pass for this year's team and we just start all over again next season. I am not even certain where I am on this. Given his recent contract extension, the goodwill comes automatically... Giannini has his flaws (no one is perfect), I will be one of the first of people to go at him especially in the heat of a loss.. BUT he is a fit for us.. He is a great recruiter, loyal, and GENUINELY a good, outgoing person.. I would really like to him to upgrade the coaching staff though. Bring someone with true basketball experience and let them be a strategist of sorts. Must stop with the promotion of Ops people becoming coaches, he needs people that can improve and work with players. I do not mind the "lack of basketball plays" on the offensive end.. The personnel on the offensive side of the ball is greatly limited and, in reality, overrated by this board. One of the concerns last year was Mills and Peterson extremely tentative nature inside the arc. They were afraid to make a play which hampered the offense on occasion. During last year's run I was ripped a new one when I questioned Mills and Peterson on their ability and expressed the need for improvement in the offseason. The common response was that they were "winners" and that nothing should change. I naturally said also Garland needed to improve his jump shot; however, so did the rest of the board so I can't take merit on that one. The point being the talent level isn't there. This changes next year when we get substantial upgrades in 2 of 3 guard positions (yes, CALLSUFAN read that again). Duren will be missed and I will get emotional especially for his turn on Senior Day. He took a chance with us, he could have gone to Temple and did marvelous; but he choose us and I will be forever grateful to his sacrifice. In total, emotion free, the upgrades in the other 2 guard spots (2 & 3) will provide more than what is lost at the 1. As analysis advancements are made and new metrics are being created, the way we grade players will change. A "defensive stopper" can absolutely be quantified to determine whether he is an average or above average college basketball player. A "winner" can absolutely be quantified to determine whether he is an average or above average college basketball player. Advancements in player metrics were created to dissuade the empty and intellectually lazy that wins are how a player's ability is judged. Trent Dilfer (Super Bowl winner) is not in the same atmosphere as Dan Marino (winless); Robert Horry (7 Championships) as good as Karl Malone (winless). Before I get slaughtered again by the board, I will say, In G We Trust!!!
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Feb 9, 2014 17:06:43 GMT -5
Post by blueandgold on Feb 9, 2014 17:06:43 GMT -5
There has been very little discussion about this but I have been thinking about it so am wondering what others think. How much, if any, should G be held responsible for this year's disappointing season? I think it is fair to say that we have gone from having the most over achieving season in any one's memory to one of the most under achieving. It seems to me that the only player who has shown any noticeable improvement this year versus last is the only starter who did not participate in last year's run i.e. Zack. I think a case could be made that everyone else who played meaningful minutes last year has not only not improved but their play may have actually regressed (we could argue about who falls into what category but I think no argument could be made that anyone else's game has improved). It has also seemed to me that this team has been playing almost from the beginning of the year with no sense of urgency and generally without confidence. I know I also have a problem with the constant substitutions and lack of offensive set plays. These have been issues from the past. So, given the above, (or feel free to disagree with any, or all, of it), because of the tremendous "goodwill" built up from last year's success does G get a free pass for this year's team and we just start all over again next season. I am not even certain where I am on this. don't be surprised when some folks on here try to say you're a troll. I got my head chomped off when I raised this question in similar fashion the other day.. I think there's plenty of time left in the season to right the ship, but worth considering what happens if losing 5 of 6 finishes 10 of 13 going into A-10s (not out of the realm of possibilities right now given remaining schedule). all other things being equal, IMO... bringing our record to 16-14: vs. St. Joe's W @ Dayton L @ Richmond L vs. St Bonnie's W @ Fordham W vs. George Mason W @ St. Joe's L
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Feb 9, 2014 17:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 9, 2014 17:17:17 GMT -5
I think we can beat Dayton. Richmond can be beaten as they no longer have Lindsey. Would be good to get to 17 before the tourney. Win one there it get to 17. Go it the NIT
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Feb 9, 2014 17:23:16 GMT -5
Post by a10champion15 on Feb 9, 2014 17:23:16 GMT -5
I have my issues with G and already gave my peace. He is a great recruiter, outstanding gentlemen and has learned how to develop players. I was really impressed with one play G did on the defensive end yesterday. He called a timeout with a minute or so left. When SLU was imbounding the ball we were set up in the zone than quickly shifted to a man to man defense as soon as the ball was passed, we forced a turnover. I for one was impressed and so was legler.
G issue is his offensive style. I think Galloway made plays happen and G just doesn't know how to get the best out of his offense when it isn't very good. I want them to finish the season strong IMO I think they have the chance to win out till the @sju. I am not too worried about Dayton or Richmond. Dayton struggles to play D and Richmond lost their best player. With both we have a huge advantage inside. I also think our D deserves a little more credit and I am still looking forward to SJU next week at home and I bet the students still show up. I learned that this team while disappointing is a couple free throws and a Jett basket from being in the NCAA convo.
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Feb 9, 2014 17:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by stlexplorer on Feb 9, 2014 17:51:01 GMT -5
I've had similar thoughts on the idea of a shakeup on the coaching staff. I'm completely ignorant to what all their duties are but I think Ashley Howard was a big loss a while back and maybe a new set of eyes seeing this team wouldn't hurt.
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Feb 9, 2014 18:08:39 GMT -5
Post by theneumann64 on Feb 9, 2014 18:08:39 GMT -5
This is a very good piece of analysis (original post). I have no interest in being in a messianic cult, I think G deserves reasoned critique, which this is. If I recall correctly, the furor a few days ago was because some questioned whether G should be fired.
He deserves a share of criticism for the team this year, guys have regressed. This year has not been as successful as we would have hoped. That doesn't mean he gets all the blame, or that he hasn't been a Godsend overall.
The one point I meant to comment on in the last thread was that G may have seen his stock drop in terms of other offers. That could be great for us, although I wonder if he regrets not actively pursuing other offers after last year (which probably were out there, and we didn't know about it).
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Feb 9, 2014 20:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by bredsdaman on Feb 9, 2014 20:03:10 GMT -5
G should take legler up on his offer during the broadcast to come in and help J wright with his shooting. Maybe he can give stukes/Lewis/Peterson a lesson too.
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Feb 10, 2014 8:33:31 GMT -5
Post by explorerman on Feb 10, 2014 8:33:31 GMT -5
G should take legler up on his offer during the broadcast to come in and help J wright with his shooting. Maybe he can give stukes/Lewis/Peterson a lesson too. Hopefully this already has happened.. Legler has taken renewed interest in the program the last several years… One of the best shooters of any league it would be fairly arrogant not to use him if he is out there… Can you imagine if Garland had a perimeter shot…
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Feb 10, 2014 8:39:09 GMT -5
Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 10, 2014 8:39:09 GMT -5
G should take legler up on his offer during the broadcast to come in and help J wright with his shooting. Maybe he can give stukes/Lewis/Peterson a lesson too. Hopefully this already has happened.. Legler has taken renewed interest in the program the last several years… One of the best shooters of any league it would be fairly arrogant not to use him if he is out there… Can you imagine if Garland had a perimeter shot… Garland with a perimeter shot- I think at least 5 more wins, at least.
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Feb 10, 2014 9:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by a10champion15 on Feb 10, 2014 9:36:28 GMT -5
Just saying if G ever were to step down legler be an interesting option as a coach. Doubt he be interested though.
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Feb 10, 2014 9:39:17 GMT -5
Post by MisterD on Feb 10, 2014 9:39:17 GMT -5
Has Tim Legler ever coached at any level?
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Feb 10, 2014 9:43:51 GMT -5
Post by SICguy84 on Feb 10, 2014 9:43:51 GMT -5
Has Tim Legler ever coached at any level? Yes. I believe he coached high school down in Middle Township, Cape May County.
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Feb 10, 2014 11:14:58 GMT -5
Post by MisterD on Feb 10, 2014 11:14:58 GMT -5
Well, that sounds like perfect experience. This is a great thread.
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Feb 10, 2014 12:20:17 GMT -5
Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 10, 2014 12:20:17 GMT -5
I believe Jim "Skyman" Crawford has successfully coached a fairly high level program in NJ.
A good assistant coach? And become a replacement if needed?
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Feb 10, 2014 13:14:30 GMT -5
Post by calsufan on Feb 10, 2014 13:14:30 GMT -5
This thread is starting to go off the rails with talk about Legler and Crawford as the next potential head coach. Crawford is either 61 or 62. Do you really want a new head coach in a few years that is turning 64 or 65? And I'm guessing Legler would be taking a cut in pay to coach at La Salle.
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Feb 10, 2014 13:44:02 GMT -5
Post by MisterD on Feb 10, 2014 13:44:02 GMT -5
This went off the rails the second Giannini's employment, 20 something games post NCAA tourney, was put in question.
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Feb 10, 2014 13:46:22 GMT -5
Post by calidelphia on Feb 10, 2014 13:46:22 GMT -5
Stop. Everyone just take a deep breath. replacing G is not going to help anything and he is not considering leaving with all the talent coming up. 5 points in 3 games is the difference from us being firmly in the ncaa tourney conversation and talk about life after G. what are we Kentucky?? Even they didn't want to replace Calipari after last years season.
Also this years unfortunate outcome says nothing about last year. I've heard some "proves they were lucky" comments and fact is G was right, we lacked 1 shooter to drain one additional 3 in each of those games. different season in that case.
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Feb 10, 2014 13:59:10 GMT -5
Post by 1stflooredwards on Feb 10, 2014 13:59:10 GMT -5
I believe Jim "Skyman" Crawford has successfully coached a fairly high level program in NJ. A good assistant coach? And become a replacement if needed?[/quote] There is no way, I repeat, no way, La Salle would hire a 63 or 64 year old high school coach, with no college coaching experience, to replace the current basketball coach so stop the crazy speculation.
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Feb 10, 2014 14:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by a10champion15 on Feb 10, 2014 14:50:03 GMT -5
You have to be kidding. I never once EVER said anything about firing or replacing G. I stated if G were to ever STEP DOWN legler be an interesting option.
Take a chill pill.
i don't think anyone is already giving up on G yet, that is ridiculous. Let's see how he finishes the year and what he does with next years roster which IMO is his most talented roster in his coaching career.
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Feb 10, 2014 15:45:23 GMT -5
Post by stlexplorer on Feb 10, 2014 15:45:23 GMT -5
We always laugh at the St. Joe's board for wanting Grandpa Munster fired after every loss, please don't let us go that route.
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Feb 10, 2014 15:50:43 GMT -5
Post by MisterD on Feb 10, 2014 15:50:43 GMT -5
... (again)
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Feb 10, 2014 15:57:09 GMT -5
Post by victoriouslasalle on Feb 10, 2014 15:57:09 GMT -5
I believe Jim "Skyman" Crawford has successfully coached a fairly high level program in NJ. A good assistant coach? And become a replacement if needed?[/quote] There is no way, I repeat, no way, La Salle would hire a 63 or 64 year old high school coach, with no college coaching experience, to replace the current basketball coach so stop the crazy speculation. As an assistant I think is an interesting suggestion. But Crawford may have other plans as he just retired from the head coaching position after a long tenure at Camden Catholic. I think 1 of his sons replaced him. Another son is coaching Tim Delaney at Pittman. I have zero interest myself in replacing the head coach
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Feb 11, 2014 8:40:24 GMT -5
Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 11, 2014 8:40:24 GMT -5
I also was never talking about replacing G if he wants to stay here. I was thinking in terms of if he took a better offer. Didn't think of Jim Crawford's age by now = stupid me.
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Post by Gnocchi on Feb 11, 2014 11:59:08 GMT -5
I have zero interest myself in replacing the head coach Might be short-changing yourself, vic...
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