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Post by db on Jan 27, 2014 2:05:17 GMT -5
This is being a douche bag? I've been quite civil.
Every major bracketologist has VCU in. We're no lock for sure and I wasn't referring to the end of the season, I was referring to as things stand in the current landscape of at-large candidates. We just have a good enough resume at this snapshot in time compared to everyone else to be in right now. Doesn't mean we will or won't be later. I agree on that. Still lots of basketball to be played.
The difference with all of those wins you've listed is that none of them were true road wins. All either home or neutral games. The Selection Committee puts a premium on true road games as the chair of the selection committee (WCC Commisioner) stated earlier this season. So when I stated that it's easily the best true road OOC win in the A-10, that's true. None of the A-10's other big wins came on the road.
Thanks for the best wishes, although your dismissive tone makes me doubt it's sincerity. Nonetheless, good luck to you guys as well.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 27, 2014 5:28:05 GMT -5
I think the guy makes fine points. I'm not sure how we got drawn into a conversation on whether VCU is good or not. They are. It's really not up for debate unless your criteria is absurdly high.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 27, 2014 9:06:39 GMT -5
64 we all have our opinions and if we don't agree so be it. DB is fine with his belief that VCU is good and he should be thankful for Smarts past success because if this were us we would probably be in trouble with only 1 top 50 win because we all witnessed last season what 3 top 50 wins got us and it was called a one game playoff. Other than the Virginia game everytime they played a good team they went down (@ home against Florida st. lost by 18, @ home against Georgetown lost by 4, on road against GW lost by 10). To take it a little further they are what 4-4 against top 100 teams. I never said they were not a solid team but hardly would have considered it a big victory on Saturday. A big victory would be over St. Louis or Mass.
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Post by ltrain38 on Jan 27, 2014 9:27:21 GMT -5
I'm not denying that VCU is a good team that belongs in the tournament. Of course they are. I just don't understand the impulse to register for another fanbase's forum because you don't like what a few of their fans said about your team. I have occasionally looked at boards for other Big 5 teams, and they are often not complimentary of La Salle but I would never post there.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 27, 2014 9:50:40 GMT -5
I just don't understand the impulse to register for another fanbase's forum because you don't like what a few of their fans said about your team. I have occasionally looked at boards for other Big 5 teams, and they are often not complimentary of La Salle but I would never post there. Things chang when you go to the final four two years in a row, especially as a mid-major. Hell, things changed for us after the Sweet 16. Our people were signing up on SJU's forum to lay into them, which ended up defining irony.
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Post by db on Jan 27, 2014 9:57:05 GMT -5
None of VCU's losses were at home. FSU and Georgetown were neutral court losses in Puerto Rico.
If we don't win anymore top 50 games we're not making the tournament. We'd definitely be in trouble and our past successes wouldn't be able to help us. At this point in January though, most teams don't have that many top 50 wins or great resumes. So if the season ended today, the standard for which teams get in is completely different because you're only looking at the body of work to this point. That's why VCU is in right now according to bracketologists out there. That doesn't mean we've done enough to earn a bid in March right now, just that right now we have an at-large worthy profile compared to everyone else at this point in the season.
I don't think it was a big victory either, but every road win in the A-10 is important. It's tough to win on the road in this league and La Salle is playing really good basketball. Every good team struggles in games, especially with tough match-ups. Your personnel give us fits because you have a bunch of guards who can shoot and handle. That's always tough against a team that wants to press.
Good teams always have bad games, tight wins, and even awful losses. You guys lost to Central Connecticut St. at home last year and got an at-large went to the Sweet 16. Losing to CCSU didn't make you guys a NIT team any more or less than VCU losing to GW on the road or being played tight by La Salle makes us one (and both are a lot better than CCSU was). Playing on the road in this league is hard. That's well-documented.
Sorry if my presence ruffles feathers. I have attempted to be informative without insulting anyone or being combative.
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Post by SICguy84 on Jan 27, 2014 10:10:32 GMT -5
I just don't understand the impulse to register for another fanbase's forum because you don't like what a few of their fans said about your team. I have occasionally looked at boards for other Big 5 teams, and they are often not complimentary of La Salle but I would never post there. Our people were signing up on SJU's forum to lay into them, which ended up defining irony. At least one bright spot to look forward to...I hate me some SJU (PA) Part I and Part II threads!
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Post by calidelphia on Jan 27, 2014 11:42:43 GMT -5
not so much ruffling our feathers as fanning your plumage. This is a big victory for you guys considering it was the fourth top 100 win on this years resume, getting VCU back to the .500 mark. If you want to win your hypothetical argument that VCU would be in today if somehow the ncaa committee had to move up the tourney to feb 1st because the world was going to end in 3 weeks, you win. It's a hypothectical, it's still January and the world is not going to end.
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Post by db on Jan 27, 2014 12:48:08 GMT -5
You do realize that is what Bracketology is right? That's what every person is referencing when they talk about NCAA chances in January. Every Bracketologist has VCU in right now as things stand. That's all I've ever stated here. Not that we'd done enough to be in on Selection Sunday, or that we're a NCAA lock. In that case if we're using that criteria the only NCAA lock at this point is UMass with 10 top 100 RPI wins and 3 top 50 wins. No one else has done enough in the league to be able to say they'd be in with what they've achieved right now in March. SLU only has 1 top 50 win and 4 top 100 wins, just like VCU. GW only has 2 top 50 wins (one of them us and they lost to you), and they actually have a better resume than SLU or VCU with 7 top 100 wins. None of them would be in on Selection Sunday with what they have right now.
VCU is 4-3 against the RPI top 100 so you're once again off-base. We'll have 8 more top 100 games in our last 11 regular season ones, so we'll have a lot of chances to improve that, but we're not .500 in top-100 games.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 27, 2014 13:52:13 GMT -5
anyone else a little surprised VCU (16-4) got no votes today? while GW (16-3) sits about #30, continuing to get votes week to week. on plus side great opportunity for a solid road W for La Salle Wednesday night.
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Post by durenduren on Jan 27, 2014 13:56:55 GMT -5
With GW's Savage injured, I'm expecting them to slide some during conference play. Not saying their vote getting makes sense in comparison to VCU, but I'm glad we're getting them when they're still media darlings, to some extent.
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Post by calidelphia on Jan 27, 2014 15:55:00 GMT -5
anyone else a little surprised VCU (16-4) got no votes today? while GW (16-3) sits about #30, continuing to get votes week to week. on plus side great opportunity for a solid road W for La Salle Wednesday night. Not too surprised, GW is 7-3 against top 100 rpi teams today and has marquee wins against VCU, Creighton & @ Bonnies which we all know is a painful away game. They deserve some votes without a doubt.
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Post by mookie on Jan 27, 2014 16:43:28 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with db...at this moment, i believe VCU is a team that will be dancing if the season ended today. I think the only bad loss they have is against FSU who isn't all that bad...the point differential is bad. And let's face it, before the game against VCU many of us were looking to VCU to help with our own resume. A win against them and many of us would've said that's going to be a good win suggesting we could be tourney worthy. Now that we lost some are trying to argue that VCU isn't that good of a team and that they haven't beaten anybody? They probably have 2-3 more games that could turn into A10 losses putting their wins well over 20 and their losses in single digits (assuming they don't fall apart).
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 27, 2014 18:48:00 GMT -5
Mookie I have already stated that I believe VCU will be at the tourny more based on last few seasons than on earning it. They have ONE,ONE,ONE win worth talking about in twenty games. I for one never thought beating VCU would be a big deal and stll don't. They are 1-2 aginst top 50 teams which is nothing to rave about and 4-3 which should be 3-4 if we weren't screwed by refs on Saturday. Why is it such a big deal to say they are a solid team but nothing to write home about without hearing nonsense like what you posted. This is the weakest VCU team over the past five seasons who struck fear in the hearts of no one. I still believe they end season with zero wins over teams who finish season in top twenty five. Currently they have zero and that is how it will end.
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Post by lwc4591 on Jan 27, 2014 18:53:46 GMT -5
Blueandgold the reason is simple because the people voting see VCU for what they are solid but nothing to get excited about. VCU is a top 50 team but not top 40 which is probably where most basketball people would place them. We are a top 80 team but not top 70.
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Post by vasalos on Jan 27, 2014 19:05:10 GMT -5
VCU is a solid tourney team right now. They'll finish second or third in the conference. Feel free to look at my bracket to see where they are seeded. Everyone knows where to find it if interested.
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Post by mookie on Jan 27, 2014 21:15:54 GMT -5
Mookie I have already stated that I believe VCU will be at the tourny more based on last few seasons than on earning it. They have ONE,ONE,ONE win worth talking about in twenty games. I for one never thought beating VCU would be a big deal and stll don't. They are 1-2 aginst top 50 teams which is nothing to rave about and 4-3 which should be 3-4 if we weren't screwed by refs on Saturday. Why is it such a big deal to say they are a solid team but nothing to write home about without hearing nonsense like what you posted. This is the weakest VCU team over the past five seasons who struck fear in the hearts of no one. I still believe they end season with zero wins over teams who finish season in top twenty five. Currently they have zero and that is how it will end. I post nonsense but you'll argue their legitimacy of a good team and say the following: They're the weakest VCU team in the last 5 years which has no bearing on how good they are this year They'll make the tourney this year based on their rep from the past 5 years BUT will say they're a top 50 team which makes them a legit tourney team Stating they'll finish with no top 25 wins overlooking the fact that at the moment there's 2 or 3 teams in the A10 which if they lose will still have well over 20 wins and less than 10 losses. If VCU keeps their current pace, even if they don't win any games against team that finish in the top 25 they still would've earned the right to be in the tourney based on what they did this year and not because they lived off their past reputation.
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