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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 3, 2013 8:59:47 GMT -5
Joe good piece. I enjoyed reading it. Looks like there is not much to complain about with this start (except maybe the injuries). Quite a balanced attack. I hope Stukes stays red shirted. A pleasant surprise to see Dunn step up in such a prolific way. I wonder if he shows this kind of ability to launch in practice? I'm sure. My worry about Dunn is this. He is a one trick pony. He had a nice drive in the second half but that was against IUP. Also, if you have him out there, it can't be with both Duren and Garland...who I think drive this team. Like G said though, he earned the minutes. I see 12-15 a game in his future unless both Mills and Lewis are back quickly. Joe I disagree with the idea that Dunn can't be on the floor with Ty and Ty. If Dunn has suddenly found his stroke from beyond the arc, then he could fill the void (at least in part) left by Sam (if Sam is hurt). Defensively he didn't look bad either, on a few defensive sets he looked to be quarterbacking the D pretty well. Its not as if Dr John is averse to the idea of running 3 and 4 guard sets out there.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 3, 2013 9:04:15 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts from yesterday.
Don't see JF's comment about Dunn can't be out there with Duren and Garland. If Dunn can take 3's in the flow, why can't he? He filled Sam's offensive role yesterday. G on many occasions this pre-season has touted Taylor's improvement. Even last year, Taylor was earning PT until he went into slump and circumstances changed.
Davis was what I expected. He is a big big man. I thought his conditioning was fine. I didn't see him winded at all. I don't know where those comments came from yesterday. What I saw was a guy playing his first meaningful college minutes. Did he make some mistakes? Sure. He is not an offensive option down low yet. He needs to learn to kick the ball out when he is triple teamed like he was yesterday. I saw three occasions yesterday where he sealed off the defense and grabbed a rebound or allowed a teammate to get the ball. His strength is amazing. He is a 5 minute a night guy this year ( then 10-15-20 a night).
Rohan Brown quietly had a real solid all around game. 9 rebounds were great but I was impressed with his poise. He had a little D J Peterson in him.
I thought Garland didn't try to be the star. He played within the team concept.
The frontline of Zack and Wright just pounded IUP.
Someone told me yesterday that IUP is a D-II National Title contender. Did anyone else read that anywhere? If so, that makes yesterday's performance more impressive considering we were down Lewis and Mills too.
Let the games begin.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 3, 2013 9:31:39 GMT -5
I believe I saw IUP Was ranked in Top 15 somewhere. Perhaps their website?
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 3, 2013 10:01:42 GMT -5
Yes, IUP is considered a legit contender for the D2 title this year. I am really impressed by the team because I expected it to go much like the game against Carleton.
G mentioned in the post game how last season IUP was up at the half on either Pitt or Maryland and lost to both teams by no more than 13 or so points, so basically wiping the floor with them is pretty big. It's not like Nova beating up on West Chester yesterday.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 3, 2013 10:10:03 GMT -5
I thought they were a pretty solid team yesterday even though we did crush them. I also saw somewhere they were a national title contender. I watched SLU vs Footboone they were absolutely awful.
I have to disagree regarding Davis while he is a big body to have he was painstakingly slow. Some of those moves he tried to pull down low were not so good. Dunn looked really solid all around. Having him as an additional threat from the three is a big plus especially with Mills and Khalid out for now. Will see if it transfers over into the season. My guess is it will. I thought I remember G saying that Dunn was one of their most improved players this offseason. I can't remember where I heard it I think on his podcast with ESPN.
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Post by big5vet on Nov 3, 2013 12:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Nov 3, 2013 12:46:19 GMT -5
Agree with Jellybean's thoughts on Rohan. Think the flashes of Rohan we saw versus K State are going to be similar to what we can expect this year. Good relief off the bench.
And just because. How about Steve pulling up to take a few mid to long range shots yesterday. And Jerrell's improved off hand post moves are making him pretty lethal.
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Post by expbrady03 on Nov 3, 2013 13:08:27 GMT -5
Agree with Jellybean's thoughts on Rohan. Think the flashes of Rohan we saw versus K State are going to be similar to what we can expect this year. Good relief off the bench. And just because. How about Steve pulling up to take a few mid to long range shots yesterday. And Jerrell's improved off hand post moves are making him pretty lethal. I'm impressed with the size Steve put on. Hoping the extra bulk will make him more comfortable being physical underneath. My complaint about him last year was his inability to finish strong at the hoop. If he can do that, we could be scary down low.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 3, 2013 13:30:48 GMT -5
Yeah, from his freshman year, he seemed to have leaned up considerably in his legs and gotten absolutely jacked from the waiste up. Physical appearance aside, I think Jerrell's overwhelming presence downlow will divert some attention from Steve, giving him the more favorable matchups. I think it'll help his numbers much.
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Post by jellybean on Nov 4, 2013 8:26:53 GMT -5
Final thoughts on the game from me.
1. The officials were very very good. I did not recall every seeing them before. They even handled the new ticky tack touch thing well. 2. Stukes is behind where I thought he was. You can see glimpses of what he will be but he's a long ways from leading this team. This is not a knock against him rather statement about a young person stepping into major college D-1 ball. People forget about how hard it is for a FR to be a major contributor in any sport. I hope posters keep that in mind when criticizing players.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 4, 2013 12:05:46 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts from yesterday. Don't see JF's comment about Dunn can't be out there with Duren and Garland. If Dunn can take 3's in the flow, why can't he? He filled Sam's offensive role yesterday. G on many occasions this pre-season has touted Taylor's improvement. Even last year, Taylor was earning PT until he went into slump and circumstances changed. If you have those three out there, we're talking 5'11, 5'11, 6'0. Even with the two bigs, that just isn't balanced enough. And quite frankly, none of those guys have Galloway (or even Sam Mills') length and athleticism. Garland is a speed defender. Duren a placement guy. Dunn isn't the best defender in any regard, suitable, but not a "defender." You just lose too much in my opinion. With those three out there, DJ is on the bench. It was easy to go four guards before when you had Pettis (6'6 or so), Galloway (6'5) or some of the guys from before then. Those are legit wing possibilities. In this case you are talking about three very short guards. And this is only with Ty and Ty on the floor, which I feel will happen for 28+ minutes a game. The beauty about these two together is that they both finish outstandingly and are quick to the dribble, Garland with athleticism and Duren with his quick release and finish. Dunn could play only with either, just not both in my opinion.
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Post by cpico on Nov 4, 2013 12:22:33 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts from yesterday. Don't see JF's comment about Dunn can't be out there with Duren and Garland. If Dunn can take 3's in the flow, why can't he? He filled Sam's offensive role yesterday. G on many occasions this pre-season has touted Taylor's improvement. Even last year, Taylor was earning PT until he went into slump and circumstances changed. If you have those three out there, we're talking 5'11, 5'11, 6'0. Even with the two bigs, that just isn't balanced enough. And quite frankly, none of those guys have Galloway (or even Sam Mills') length and athleticism. Garland is a speed defender. Duren a placement guy. Dunn isn't the best defender in any regard, suitable, but not a "defender." You just lose too much in my opinion. With those three out there, DJ is on the bench. It was easy to go four guards before when you had Pettis (6'6 or so), Galloway (6'5) or some of the guys from before then. Those are legit wing possibilities. In this case you are talking about three very short guards. And this is only with Ty and Ty on the floor, which I feel will happen for 28+ minutes a game. The beauty about these two together is that they both finish outstandingly and are quick to the dribble, Garland with athleticism and Duren with his quick release and finish. Dunn could play only with either, just not both in my opinion. Joe, I get your point about Dunn - but regarding heights - Duren is about 6'0, Garland is about 6'1, and Galloway was nowhere near 6'5 - I believe he was listed at 6'3 and if I remember correctly someone pointed out some time ago he measured out smaller than that when getting ready to play professionally.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 4, 2013 14:41:04 GMT -5
Agree with Jellybean's thoughts on Rohan. Think the flashes of Rohan we saw versus K State are going to be similar to what we can expect this year. Good relief off the bench. And just because. How about Steve pulling up to take a few mid to long range shots yesterday. And Jerrell's improved off hand post moves are making him pretty lethal. I'm impressed with the size Steve put on. Hoping the extra bulk will make him more comfortable being physical underneath. My complaint about him last year was his inability to finish strong at the hoop. If he can do that, we could be scary down low. Showed a little touch yesterday. Could he become the Explorers' Spencer Hawes?
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Post by jellybean on Nov 4, 2013 15:51:30 GMT -5
I still disagree with JF's argument that Dunn can't be on the court at the same time as Duren and Garland. Yes, they are all around 6-0 or 6-1 but this is the hand we are dealt. We would be starting Sam, TG and TD anyway. Sam is only 2 inches taller than Dunn so this is all moot if you are talking about size. With Sam out of the lineup, Dunn brings "balance" to the lineup. Duren is the distributor. Garland the scorer. Dunn fills Sam's role ( right now) as the outside shooter til Sam returns.
On another subject,I don't comprehend the statement that none are Galloway (or Mills) with regard to length and athleticism. Garland is athletic I think.
Don't understand this? "Garland is a speed defender". What is that? I never heard this term. Garland is not getting on A10 All- Defensive team. He is Mr. Offense. A natural born scorer.
When I hear that someone can't play together, I think of Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudimire.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 4, 2013 16:25:32 GMT -5
Even if they're really only 2 inches apart, Sam is an elite defender. Its not just 219 inches of person down to 217, its losing the guy who allows you to run out a smaller guard lineup because of his shutdown ability.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 4, 2013 20:52:50 GMT -5
Even if they're really only 2 inches apart, Sam is an elite defender. Its not just 219 inches of person down to 217, its losing the guy who allows you to run out a smaller guard lineup because of his shutdown ability. Bingo. Don't understand this? "Garland is a speed defender". What is that? I never heard this term. Garland is not getting on A10 All- Defensive team. He is Mr. Offense. A natural born scorer. I think Ty G relies on his speed to get himself out of defensive jams more so than Galloway did or Mills does. Meaning that if he gets beat, he can run to a spot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 22:30:01 GMT -5
Sam and Taylor are both 6'2". Not sure where people are seeing Sam's got two inches on him. Obviously, Sam is the better player and defender, but it's not like Sam is significantly more athletic than Dunn. I agree with Jellybean. I don't see any problem with playing Duren, Garland, and Dunn together. You lose some defense and a third penetrater, but Duren and Garland are good enough to either attack the basket and finish or kick it out to Dunn for an open look. They did that numerous times on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 10:57:41 GMT -5
IUP got thumped by Michigan State last night. Pretty comparable to what La Salle did to them. MSU up 21 at the half compared to La Salle being up 20. Encouraging since MSU is ranked 2nd in the country preseason and is picked to win the Big 10 www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110413aad.html
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Post by MisterD on Nov 5, 2013 11:30:09 GMT -5
You're right on the height, kj, I thought Dunn was smaller. My overriding point that taking out the elite undersized defender screws up the entire undersized lineup stands.
(Because if Dunn could defend anywhere in the same universe as Mills and shoots like he does, he's getting 30 minutes per night for us or someone else.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 11:53:24 GMT -5
You're right on the height, kj, I thought Dunn was smaller. My overriding point that taking out the elite undersized defender screws up the entire undersized lineup stands. (Because if Dunn could defend anywhere in the same universe as Mills and shoots like he does, he's getting 30 minutes per night for us or someone else.) Nobody is saying that Dunn will be on the court with Duren and Garland for 30 minutes. But for maybe 10 minutes, which is probably the maximum that G would ever use that lineup, I don't see it being an issue.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 5, 2013 12:07:10 GMT -5
That's where we differ, I do see it as an issue. The key to running out three players 6'2 and under is having something offset the natural height disadvantage. Sam being able to lock down swingman types is our mitigating factor, his height becomes immaterial and we effectively have a relatively normal small (Duren/Garland) backcourt. If you add Dunn and subtract Mills, you're small and effectively small from the 1-3. A strong opponent, or even a lesser opponent with a solid 6'4+ 3 will exploit the hell out of it.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 5, 2013 12:07:56 GMT -5
IUP got thumped by Michigan State last night. Good find. Thanks for sharing.
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