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Post by calsufan on Nov 30, 2023 0:59:17 GMT -5
That's such bullshit and denigrates what these guys did tonight. You can be proud of players even if they lose. Sure we can be proud of great individual efforts. The team still lost. That's all that really matters. The mentality of being content with a triple OT loss is just sad. We get blown out by the big boys, lose to every semi decent team and beat up on the Coppin States of the world. Look out CBI here we come! You point out to me where walkon or I said we were content. Hell, we didn't even infer it. We're talking about one specific game and now you're conflating that into "CBI here we come" and piling on additional bullshit? Go kick your dog, maybe you'll be happier then. SMFH.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 30, 2023 3:08:58 GMT -5
As a fan of basketball, it was exciting to watch a 3OT game, but also as a fan of basketball parts of this game were unnerving to watch because the game was being played so poorly by both sides, coached in a way I couldn't understand,and officiated so badly.
68 fouls called in 55 minutes of basketball is ridiculous. It made the flow of the game horrible.
We seemed to have a tough time defending inside and when Temple would drive, it was almost automatic and were getting the foul calls...which is why I didn't understand why they kept hoisting 3s when they were 1 for 19 from 3. Their coach sucked last night to not recognize that and get them to focus on what was working. We are lucky he didn't because they could easily have won it in regulation.
Fundamentally bad basketball was being played by both sides, to the point where i was annoyed with both sides for basic errors. Again I'll pick on Temple trying to break the press by passing the ball to the corner guy who was immediately double teamed leading to a timeout when he was trapped against the back corner. That's taught in JV CYO ball not to do that. Dunphy leaving Gill in after his 4th foul on a night when tons of fouls were being called seemed like a misstep as well.
It was an entertaining street fight to watch, and both teams had opportunities to win this in regulation but made brutal mistakes. And both teams hitting 3s at the end of the first two overtimes was insane.
Penn is no gimme on Saturday, and I'm wondering if we have gas in the tank for that. It is also hilarious to be that Villanova vs Drexel is the warmup act. The Wells Fargo is going to be mostly empty for these games throughout the day.
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Post by hykos1045 on Nov 30, 2023 3:46:47 GMT -5
I'm almost always up for a "conference biased referees" discussion any time one can be had. But for this game it looks like we literally outhustled Tenple but just couldn't sink a crucial free throw with the game on the line. We also need to figure out much better how to neutralize a team coming from behind, either with or without fouling them. If they learn that skillset before A10 starts up, then this loss would at least serve as an overdue reminder to stay on top of fundamentals like free throws and box outs.
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Post by hykos1045 on Nov 30, 2023 3:49:43 GMT -5
As a fan of basketball, it was exciting to watch a 3OT game, but also as a fan of basketball parts of this game were unnerving to watch because the game was being played so poorly by both sides, coached in a way I couldn't understand,and officiated so badly. 68 fouls called in 55 minutes of basketball is ridiculous. It made the flow of the game horrible. We seemed to have a tough time defending inside and when Temple would drive, it was almost automatic and were getting the foul calls...which is why I didn't understand why they kept hoisting 3s when they were 1 for 19 from 3. Their coach sucked last night to not recognize that and get them to focus on what was working. We are lucky he didn't because they could easily have won it in regulation. Fundamentally bad basketball was being played by both sides, to the point where i was annoyed with both sides for basic errors. Again I'll pick on Temple trying to break the press by passing the ball to the corner guy who was immediately double teamed leading to a timeout when he was trapped against the back corner. That's taught in JV CYO ball not to do that. Dunphy leaving Gill in after his 4th foul on a night when tons of fouls were being called seemed like a misstep as well. It was an entertaining street fight to watch, and both teams had opportunities to win this in regulation but made brutal mistakes. And both teams hitting 3s at the end of the first two overtimes was insane. Penn is no gimme on Saturday, and I'm wondering if we have gas in the tank for that. It is also hilarious to be that Villanova vs Drexel is the warmup act. The Wells Fargo is going to be mostly empty for these games throughout the day. It's now 3:47 here which is I think about the time you were trying to get to bed over there. And does this post mean you are just finishing a well deserved tea and biscuits breakfast over there in the UK? Safe travels, sir!
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Post by walkon on Nov 30, 2023 5:16:38 GMT -5
I’m proud of these kids regardless. Loser mentality. You wrote the book on it.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 30, 2023 5:56:15 GMT -5
Takeaways:
Brickus showed balls. He’s the killer on the team. Fran must really not trust the guys after 8. Temple is going to get crushed in the AAC.
Put up time for Rokus Jocius. He did nothing to deserve the minutes he got tonight. I understand that he’s undersized against most fives but just not contributing in a way needed out there. Defense was bad. Offense non-existent. A lot of people on here thought he was going to be a guy but over the last couple games, I’m not seeing it. Perhaps come A10 play. Can only hope.
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Post by las71 on Nov 30, 2023 7:53:39 GMT -5
Anwar fouling out really showed how dependent we are on 3 guys to do the bulk of our scoring and we really need someone to step up and give us a 4th option. I expected Tunde to be that guy and while he's shown some sparks he hasn't put together consistent solid games. Marrero also has been good in spots but got in foul trouble last night. Two of the calls against him were really weak as guys drove into him when he was straight up and refs called fouls where there was marginal contact. Deshaun's athleticism is off the charts but it has probably kept him from developing a mid range game because he never needed it in high school. I expect that he will continue to improve his shooting as the year progresses. Rokas is raw and his hands have failed him far too often this year and the added minutes he plays are wearing on him. It's only a small sample size but I would like to see more of Mercadino. We are painfully small and could use his length. Despite the above concerns we're 5-2, we play hard despite being undersized at every position and never give up!
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Post by roaddog77 on Nov 30, 2023 8:20:17 GMT -5
This was the most disappointing and heartbreaking loss for me in a long time. I thought this was our best chance beating Temple this year. Brickus (41 pts and 9 rebounds) and Brantley (29 pts and 14 rebounds) played their ass off against Temple. Brickus career game reminded me of Kareem “Rab” Townes when he scored 52 points against Loyola (IL) in the 1994-95 season. It one thing it was crazy to me is that our guard (Brickus and Brantley) out rebounded our front line 23 to 22. Jocius have to improve his play and this game he should’ve dominated Temple big. Jocius played better against a ranked Duke team, but MIA last night. In my opinion, we a better team if we go with a smaller lineup. We have to bounce back from this loss and win this consolation game on Saturday. Let go baby.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 30, 2023 8:34:25 GMT -5
Takeaways: Brickus showed balls. He’s the killer on the team. Fran must really not trust the guys after 8. Temple is going to get crushed in the AAC. Put up time for Rokus Jocius. He did nothing to deserve the minutes he got tonight. I understand that he’s undersized against most fives but just not contributing in a way needed out there. Defense was bad. Offense non-existent. A lot of people on here thought he was going to be a guy but over the last couple games, I’m not seeing it. Perhaps come A10 play. Can only hope. We really need Brickus to come back. Get him the NIL money. The backcourt will be a sore spot if he doesn’t because we don’t have a reliable shooter. I think Tunde and Marrero can be it but they play sporadically. In truth, Fran needs to break up Brantley, Gill and Brickus. 2 out of the 3 play and one of Tunde/Marrero. We need more players to space the court. In the case of Tunde, let Shepherd play a small 4. But as others pointed out, we need an influx of talent badly.. I am on the Rokus train, probably even the conductor, but he has left a lot to be desired lately. You have to play him though. He is our only rim protector. I do think he is not being helped one bit by our horrific perimeter defense. I take you back to Rokus’s 5th foul which I thought was really soft but Temple's forward just got the ball and dribbled around our point guard like it was nothing.. That can’t happen.. Simply can not happen.. If a guard gets posted up and powered down into the low paint.. ok that is one thing but to just dribble to left and cleanly beat our point guard off the dribble is very troublesome. I recognize people are on fumes and heavy legs but still other Temple players are tired too.. and this has been an issue all season.. Way too easy to penetrate our perimeter defense
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 30, 2023 8:37:44 GMT -5
Takeaways: Brickus showed balls. He’s the killer on the team. Fran must really not trust the guys after 8. Temple is going to get crushed in the AAC. Put up time for Rokus Jocius. He did nothing to deserve the minutes he got tonight. I understand that he’s undersized against most fives but just not contributing in a way needed out there. Defense was bad. Offense non-existent. A lot of people on here thought he was going to be a guy but over the last couple games, I’m not seeing it. Perhaps come A10 play. Can only hope. We really need Brickus to come back. Get him the NIL money. The backcourt will be a sore spot if he doesn’t because we don’t have a reliable shooter. I think Tunde and Marrero can be it but they play sporadically. In truth, Fran needs to break up Brantley, Gill and Brickus. 2 out of the 3 play and one of Tunde/Marrero. We need more players to space the court. In the case of Tunde, let Shepherd play a small 4. But as others pointed out, we need an influx of talent badly.. I am on the Rokus train, probably even the conductor, but he has left a lot to be desired lately. You have to play him though. He is our only rim protector. I do think he is not being helped one bit by our horrific perimeter defense. I take you back to Rokus’s 5th foul which I thought was really soft but Temple's forward just got the ball and dribbled around our point guard like it was nothing.. That can’t happen.. Simply can not happen.. If a guard gets posted up and powered down into the low paint.. ok that is one thing but to just dribble to left and cleanly beat our point guard off the dribble is very troublesome. I recognize people are on fumes and heavy legs but still other Temple players are tired too.. and this has been an issue all season.. Way too easy to penetrate our perimeter defense 4 points and 4 shots in 40 minutes? That's Ben Simmons bad. That train is coming off the tracks.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 30, 2023 9:03:00 GMT -5
My three main concerns are the following:
Brantley - He simply has to be better with the basketball. He has talent and is athletic enough to do almost anything he wants but needs to be better at the mental part of the game. We need him to make that next level.
Jocius - As I mentioned earlier he is not getting better. Perhaps we expected too much of him. I am beginning to think his ceiling is more limited than I had hoped.
Fasasi - He needs much more development than I thought he would. Everyone stating we got a steal etc... We might not see major benefits from him until next year but Dunphy is using him like he is ready now. His offensive game is limited to standstill shooter right now (He does look like he can develop a mid range game as he matures) and his defense is brutally bad. He gets beat a lot and when he gets beat we give up easy baskets too often.
Overall, we go as far as our Big 3 takes us. We are probably a mid level A-10 team at best but more likely a 10-12 team in the conference. Certainly not a last place team. If we get a 4th player to develop into a consistent contributor we can be middle of the pack and possibly get to 18 wins but I am doubtful that is going to happen this year.
Finally, I really don't understand anyone who criticizes Dunphy. He is not perfect. No coach is but this is the best coached La Salle team I have seen since Speedy's early days.
This loss burns like hell because we missed an opportunity. I enjoy watching a well coached team even if we are limited from a talent perspective. These kids are easy to root for and the coaching staff is as well.
Saturday is another day. If we beat Penn we will all be back invested. Let's hope we learn and get better that we were last night.
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Post by nealum on Nov 30, 2023 9:04:46 GMT -5
Last night's game - R. Jocius 6'10" 260 lbs. = 40 minutes of play / 5 personals/10 reb/ 2 points on 1 for 4 shooting/no assists/no steals/no blocks!!!
Steve Settle on Temple: 6'10" 180 lbs = 50 minutes of play / 0 personal fouls /2 blocks / 19 pts / 16 reb / 5 for 5 from the free throw line /
We have no low post game. Jocius is not the answer. He needs to rotate equal time with Zan and Vahlberg. Vahlberg, tho 2" shorter than Settle, weighs the same as Settle and has quickness and a good shot inside the 3-point line.
We will not be able to recruit a topflight center next year if they think they'll be playing behind Jocius.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 30, 2023 9:16:38 GMT -5
Last night's game - R. Jocius 6'10" 260 lbs. = 40 minutes of play / 5 personals/10 reb/ 2 points on 1 for 4 shooting/no assists/no steals/no blocks!!! Steve Settle on Temple: 6'10" 180 lbs = 50 minutes of play / 0 personal fouls /2 blocks / 19 pts / 16 reb / 5 for 5 from the free throw line / We have no low post game. Jocius is not the answer. He needs to rotate equal time with Zan and Vahlberg. Vahlberg, tho 2" shorter than Settle, weighs the same as Settle and has quickness and a good shot inside the 3-point line. We will not be able to recruit a topflight center next year if they think they'll be playing behind Jocius. Interesting comparison. Problem is Zan and Vahlberg are not the answer to our Jocius issue. Both have sever limitations that we would be exposed to. We don't have an answer to our frontcourt this year. Dunphy will need to do his best to manage the issue with what he has in the program. It won't be pretty at times this year.
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Post by mookie on Nov 30, 2023 10:47:29 GMT -5
Zan is not A10 level. If he’s playing double digit mins consistently then we’re in trouble. He hustles and plays hard, but unless he becomes a sniper and/or significant overperformer, he should be on that bench 90% of the time.
Brantley needs to learn to play within the game. He forces too much it’s as if he doesn’t understand his limitations.
Shepherd can’t shoot 3s. Learn to shoot midrange and then expand out.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 30, 2023 10:53:13 GMT -5
He's def not an A10 level big. He's a backup wing player on this team.
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Post by mookie on Nov 30, 2023 10:53:53 GMT -5
He's def not an A10 level big. He's a backup wing player on this team. Like the backup to the backup…
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Post by calsufan on Nov 30, 2023 10:56:07 GMT -5
I think Fasasi is going to be just fine in the long run. Yes, his D needs work but he doesn't appear to be afraid to mix it up and from what I've seen, he hustles and goes after it. I think for a freshman, he looks promising.
Jocius, I'm not so sure about anymore. Last year I thought he was more aggressive and engaged. He showed flashes of real talent. This year he doesn't seem to be as engaged. In my opinion he needs to play more aggressively on both D (that doesn't mean you foul freely) and on offense. He should be calling for the ball down low more and trying to post up. I just don't see it happening right now. He's also appeared to tire somewhat easily in the games I attended.
The bottom line is this team has pieces, but not a ton of talent. A lot of players have holes to their game. We also don't have a clear, consistent outside shooter yet. They play hard and that makes up for a lot of shortfalls, but most games will be a struggle. Penn could well be a loss for La Salle on Saturday.
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Post by calsufan on Nov 30, 2023 10:58:33 GMT -5
He's def not an A10 level big. He's a backup wing player on this team. I don't see the A-10 level talent in Zan. Maybe he'll develop, but I don't see what Dunphy must see in him. But then again, I'm not the coach. lol
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Post by mookie on Nov 30, 2023 10:58:50 GMT -5
I think Fasasi is going to be just fine in the long run. Yes, his D needs work but he doesn't appear to be afraid to mix it up and from what I've seen, he hustles and goes after it. I think for a freshman, he looks promising. Jocius, I'm not so sure about anymore. Last year I thought he was more aggressive and engaged. He showed flashes of real talent. This year he doesn't seem to be as engaged. In my opinion he needs to play more aggressively on both D (that doesn't mean you foul freely) and on offense. He should be calling for the ball down low more and trying to post up. I just don't see it happening right now. He's also appeared to tire somewhat easily in the games I attended. The bottom line is this team has pieces, but not a ton of talent. A lot of players have holes to their game. We also don't have a clear, consistent outside shooter yet. They play hard and that makes up for a lot of shortfalls, but most games will be a struggle. Penn could well be a loss for La Salle on Saturday. I agree on the aggression. I got the same impression and it bothered me on several occasions he would box out BUT he wouldn’t make a move for the ball. It would just fall to the ground and he seemed ok for someone else to grab it. I think there’s talent…
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 30, 2023 12:05:48 GMT -5
Lighter s ub-trivia : I like Harry Donahue ( Inside Golf, the Glenside Pub, etc. ) but I found it amusing last night that throughout the game one time down the court he would call Tunde Fas Asi, then on the next play he would refer to him as Fas Isi. Same with Jocius and Jo Dis.
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Post by lasallejohn on Nov 30, 2023 12:25:46 GMT -5
If anyone isn’t A-10 level, it’s Jocius. Game seems too quick for him right now, looks like he has no confidence. Doesn’t look for the ball when he screens and rolls, gets pushed around. Footwork is lacking and same for general basketball fundamentals. I’d rather go small at this point. Not like he’s helping with rebounding or blocked shots either. Liability when the other team is running P&R’s too. Love the fight in this team though. Wish we had a shooter.
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Post by kinesiology on Nov 30, 2023 12:32:20 GMT -5
He's def not an A10 level big. He's a backup wing player on this team. Like the backup to the backup… Let’s rip up and bury a 6’7 FRESHMAN after 60 minutes of PT who’s shown a willingness to play hard and who has earn the confidence of his coaches who have seen him for 14 months. Good work, faithful explorer fans
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 30, 2023 12:39:47 GMT -5
I really don't understand anyone who criticizes Dunphy. He is not perfect. No coach is but this is the best coached La Salle team I have seen since Speedy's early days. This loss burns like hell because we missed an opportunity. I enjoy watching a well coached team even if we are limited from a talent perspective. These kids are easy to root for and the coaching staff is as well. NPOA
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Post by mookie on Nov 30, 2023 13:11:23 GMT -5
Like the backup to the backup… Let’s rip up and bury a 6’7 FRESHMAN after 60 minutes of PT who’s shown a willingness to play hard and who has earn the confidence of his coaches who have seen him for 14 months. Good work, faithful explorer fans I said we’re in trouble if he’s playing double digits and I gave a clear path to him getting meaningful playing time. Never said he would never be anything. He gained confidence from the coaches because he’s a hard worker and there’s potential, but that potential is associated with being an overachiever and quite frankly he’s playing above the level he should be at. Let’s not forget he had minimal interest from D1 schools coming out of high school and was set to do a prep year. He’s playing right now because he’s a hustler and quite frankly because we lack talent in so many areas.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 30, 2023 13:12:48 GMT -5
I really don't understand anyone who criticizes Dunphy. He is not perfect. No coach is but this is the best coached La Salle team I have seen since Speedy's early days. This loss burns like hell because we missed an opportunity. I enjoy watching a well coached team even if we are limited from a talent perspective. These kids are easy to root for and the coaching staff is as well. NPOA Yeah, I'll sign off on that too. Fun to imagine a Giannini recruited roster coached by Dunphy.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 30, 2023 13:31:59 GMT -5
I will drive to Rowan right now and give Giannini my 401K if he would take a La Salle assistant job.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 30, 2023 13:57:45 GMT -5
You can definitely criticize Dunphy's decision not to foul up 3 in the first OT though yesterday, right?
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 30, 2023 14:00:17 GMT -5
You can definitely criticize Dunphy's decision not to foul up 3 in the first OT though yesterday, right? Yes, for me I would have considered that. The supposed rule is anything outside 5 seconds you don't foul and anything inside 5 seconds you foul. I believe there was 6.7 seconds when Temple inbounded the ball but I do think it was around 5 seconds when he squared up to shoot.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 30, 2023 14:08:27 GMT -5
You can definitely criticize Dunphy's decision not to foul up 3 in the first OT though yesterday, right? Def in hindsight, 50/50 at the moment just because I think make/miss/putback would be very much on the table, esp given how Temple was shooting.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 30, 2023 16:00:50 GMT -5
You can definitely criticize Dunphy's decision not to foul up 3 in the first OT though yesterday, right? Yes, for me I would have considered that. The supposed rule is anything outside 5 seconds you don't foul and anything inside 5 seconds you foul. I believe there was 6.7 seconds when Temple inbounded the ball but I do think it was around 5 seconds when he squared up to shoot. You gotta foul.. Blunder by Dunphy. Maybe he told the players but I didn’t hear anything from behind the bench. No hindsight needed the book says you foul. Eliminate the chance to tie. You gotta foul before they even call TO with 6 seconds. There is no set rule about seconds.. Just do what the odds tell you. The expected value of fouling Temple who was playing with their second team and were doing terrible at the line was very in favor of La Salle… You just gotta foul… Let them make both, unlikely, at that rate and then you get the ball to Brickus, who was hot and will make his 2.. Clock down to 6 seconds and they are taking the ball from under their basket… And then you foul as they are bringing the ball up… Rinse and repeat.. You are trying to reduce any small chance that they get a high percentage 3. Exchanging free throws with Brickus and who ever they want with 10 seconds is a winning equation. A day later and still very painful loss
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