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Post by explorer88 on Nov 25, 2018 22:10:08 GMT -5
Carter needs to protect the ball better as well.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 25, 2018 22:14:11 GMT -5
This team is so bad at shooting from the perimeter because it has a bad habit of passing up open shots and dribbling into coverage.
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Post by calsufan on Nov 25, 2018 22:54:12 GMT -5
This team is so bad at shooting from the perimeter because it has a bad habit of passing up open shots and dribbling into coverage. I think that probably means the players realize they're not good outside shooters so they pass up the open shot and go for the drive to the basket. That might work in a few games where a team plays as bad interior defense as we do.
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 25, 2018 23:02:18 GMT -5
Get a W vs. ‘Nova to stop the free fall?
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Post by buck on Nov 25, 2018 23:35:43 GMT -5
Speed the game up. Play with more pace. The team is steuggling shooting so increase the pace ...press more force turnovers to get easy buckets.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 26, 2018 5:44:18 GMT -5
They press a lot.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 8:38:33 GMT -5
Speed the game up. Play with more pace. The team is steuggling shooting so increase the pace ...press more force turnovers to get easy buckets. They pressed most of the game and forced a lot of turnovers. Unfortunately, when the press gets broken, it leads to layups by the opposing teams. Not sure what games you have been watching, but the pace is very fast.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 26, 2018 9:54:25 GMT -5
Borderline too much for a team that displays the same levels of consistency with press assignments that we're seeing with the rest of their game. One player doesn't hustle back or gets out of position, and the press is toast. And then, we still can't defend or rebound. I don't hate it, but atleast it gets us playing aggressive.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 26, 2018 10:36:02 GMT -5
the press does create some turnovers but usually not until they're down so much the chances of coming back are slim to none. it's just not working enough to continue to do it all the time.
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 26, 2018 10:52:42 GMT -5
Practice better positioning on the block/charge, a la Thunder Dan’s Antelopes
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Post by 23won on Nov 26, 2018 11:01:37 GMT -5
The press is an effective tool if used the right way. It works really when you are (1) playing with momentum and a lead and you deploy it aggressively to extend a lead, (2) towards the end of the game when you are trying to reverse a deficit, and (3) selectively during the course of the game to cut a lead.
It does not make sense to use it as much as we have since, we have not had the situation described in (1) and we have not used it selectively per (2).
Aside from when to use it, there is the issue of how to execute. I think our biggest problem in pressing has been that we dedicate two trappers and an inbound defender 5 feet from the end line. That works in CYO, but not when you have experienced players. As a result, opponents have routinely gotten past these three and then had 89 feet of court space where (a) one guy often got past our defender for an easy jam or layup (uncontested) or (b) for the last 30 feet of space they scored on an easy 2:1, 3:1 or 3:2 fast break.
We need to make adjustments on that. I am surprised Ash hasn't used the trapping 3/4 court 1-2-2 press Nova used to great success the last three+ years.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 26, 2018 12:38:21 GMT -5
I am surprised Ash hasn't used the trapping 3/4 court 1-2-2 press Nova used to great success the last three+ years. I don't think we're athletic enough, quick enough, or have the discipline/IQ to play Jay's zone press. To be fair, I don't think we have the traits to play any press for a prolonged period either.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 13:00:12 GMT -5
Speaking of which...do we have predictions for the Nova game this weekend? I'm considering selling my tix...figure someone from Nova will pay 3x price or more for them, and I'm thinking it might be a blowout.
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Post by 23won on Nov 26, 2018 13:33:19 GMT -5
I am surprised Ash hasn't used the trapping 3/4 court 1-2-2 press Nova used to great success the last three+ years. I don't think we're athletic enough, quick enough, or have the discipline/IQ to play Jay's zone press. To be fair, I don't think we have the traits to play any press for a prolonged period either. I actually think that press is easier to run than what we have done so far this year, which involves 3 defenders near the inbound point and 89 feet of court exposure if those three don’t flawlessly execute. The 1-2-2 3/4 press subjects you to far less risk and creates the trapping opportunity you want. It also eats into more of the shot clock because it is slow constant pressure which places a toll on whoever can’t dribble or deal with a trap
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Post by durenduren on Nov 26, 2018 13:54:42 GMT -5
I don't think we're athletic enough, quick enough, or have the discipline/IQ to play Jay's zone press. To be fair, I don't think we have the traits to play any press for a prolonged period either. I actually think that press is easier to run than what we have done so far this year, which involves 3 defenders near the inbound point and 89 feet of court exposure if those three don’t flawlessly execute. The 1-2-2 3/4 press subjects you to far less risk and creates the trapping opportunity you want. It also eats into more of the shot clock because it is slow constant pressure which places a toll on whoever can’t dribble or deal with a trap I agree that the 1-2-2 is a much more reserved, smart trap when ran effectively, but I'm concerned that we don't have the discipline to play it. I can't envision this squad staying committed to trapping only on the sidelines, and I don't believe we have the athleticism to consistently shift the middle coverage from edge to edge to avoid getting beat up the middle. I think this video shows it well - and I really have a hard time imagining our team playing defense with this degree of control. We'd rack up fouls quicker than Ron Artest at a Piston-Pacers game.
I think this is what Ash is aiming for though, and while maybe not this year, I believe he wants to install a similar system when he gets the right-fit guys.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 26, 2018 14:05:31 GMT -5
I'm considering selling my tix...figure someone from Nova will pay 3x price or more for them, and I'm thinking it might be a blowout. la salle opened up ticket sales to the public. don't expect nova fans to buy too many of them and definitely not at 3x price. there were hardly any at the palestra two years ago and there will be even less on saturday. those palestra bleachers are way too uncomfortable for their pansy asses so they'll stay home and watch it on tv.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 14:28:14 GMT -5
I'm considering selling my tix...figure someone from Nova will pay 3x price or more for them, and I'm thinking it might be a blowout. la salle opened up ticket sales to the public. don't expect nova fans to buy too many of them and definitely not at 3x price. there were hardly any at the palestra two years ago and there will be even less on saturday. those palestra bleachers are way too uncomfortable for their pansy asses so they'll stay home and watch it on tv. I saw some going for that on StubHub earlier this week in a similar section to mine.
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Post by golasalle on Nov 26, 2018 15:06:18 GMT -5
Speaking of which...do we have predictions for the Nova game this weekend? I'm considering selling my tix...figure someone from Nova will pay 3x price or more for them, and I'm thinking it might be a blowout. Yup, that's the spirit.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 15:15:24 GMT -5
Speaking of which...do we have predictions for the Nova game this weekend? I'm considering selling my tix...figure someone from Nova will pay 3x price or more for them, and I'm thinking it might be a blowout. Yup, that's the spirit. Just keeping it real. We had a double digit loss to a team that became D1 6 years ago and has never been to the NCAA tournament. If you think we will fare any better against the defending National Champions, I'd like to know why.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 26, 2018 15:53:14 GMT -5
Grand Canyon is on the come, I'd be more concerned about the Lafayette and Drexel losses.
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Post by Happy Fortune on Nov 26, 2018 15:53:56 GMT -5
Would rather watch Holy Family
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 26, 2018 15:57:01 GMT -5
la salle opened up ticket sales to the public. don't expect nova fans to buy too many of them and definitely not at 3x price. there were hardly any at the palestra two years ago and there will be even less on saturday. those palestra bleachers are way too uncomfortable for their pansy asses so they'll stay home and watch it on tv. I saw some going for that on StubHub earlier this week in a similar section to mine. if you saw them on stubhub, that means they haven't gone anywhere.
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 26, 2018 15:57:51 GMT -5
Just keeping it real. We had a double digit loss to a team that became D1 6 years ago and has never been to the NCAA tournament. If you think we will fare any better against the defending National Champions, I'd like to know why. keeping it real? how about supporting a group of kids and coaches who are obviously trying very hard.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 15:58:58 GMT -5
I saw some going for that on StubHub earlier this week in a similar section to mine. if you saw them on stubhub, that means they haven't gone anywhere. They're not on there anymore, so they sold.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 16:10:03 GMT -5
Just keeping it real. We had a double digit loss to a team that became D1 6 years ago and has never been to the NCAA tournament. If you think we will fare any better against the defending National Champions, I'd like to know why. keeping it real? how about supporting a group of kids and coaches who are obviously trying very hard. I supported them by buying my season tickets. If the game was being played at La Salle, I'd definitely go, but driving to the Palestra, paying for parking, and watching a blowout is not my idea of a fun afternoon, especially if I can find someone to take the tickets off my hands for 3x what I paid. Game's on TV and I could watch from home.
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Post by golasalle on Nov 26, 2018 16:13:40 GMT -5
Just keeping it real. We had a double digit loss to a team that became D1 6 years ago and has never been to the NCAA tournament. If you think we will fare any better against the defending National Champions, I'd like to know why. Oh I get it, gotta keep it real. Some of you people are unbelievable. 10 months ago if someone would have said to you that G would get fired and we would get the coach that virtually everyone wanted, but the trade off would be that he would go 0-10 (or maybe worse) and really struggle, you and 90% on here would have taken it in a second. Well this is going to take some time and it is going to be a rough year and maybe two or three and the first impulse it to "keep it real" and abandon these guys and the new coach who are trying their damnedest after 7 games. And it's not bad enough to quit on them but even better, tout that you are looking to sell your tickets to the opposing team's fans. Pathetic.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 26, 2018 16:30:57 GMT -5
And it's not bad enough to quit on them but even better, tout that you are looking to sell your tickets to the opposing team's fans. Pathetic. I'd sell them to La Salle fans as well...I'm equal opportunity, but I don't think there's a big market for La Salle fans wanting tix for this game. The reality is...when I have to miss home games, I generally give them away to other alums, not sell them, but if there's a market for them, why not? Not seeing this as a lack of support, but the Palestra is not an easy commute, and paying for parking sucks. If I can't get the price I want for them, then I'll likely go. I hope they prove me wrong and the team is competitive in this game, but I'm not seeing it. No fault to Ash - we're asking him to cook a gourmet meal with a cupboard that was left bare. It is what it is.
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Post by 23won on Nov 26, 2018 17:41:54 GMT -5
Here are some things in order like I'd like to see changed after an 0-7 start:
Free throw attempt margin per game -13 (for the English majors, they are shooting 13 more per game than us)
Rebound margin per game -9 (… they are getting 9 more per game than us)
FG %: us 39%, them 49%
Assist to turnover: 76A (10 per game) v. 98 TO (14 per game)
The last is really troubling early. In one of the Wooden games, 11 minutes had elapsed and the opponent had 10 assists and we had 2. The same thing I have been harping since game 1. Too much 1:1 play with little to no off ball picks and cuts.
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 26, 2018 17:57:10 GMT -5
I would tell Carter he has to start shooting. He brings no offense and teams can play off of him because they know that he is afraid to shoot.
Right shoulder problem ?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 26, 2018 18:33:05 GMT -5
If I weren't going to AC for a Skynyrd concert, I would buy the tickets off of you. Win or lose, it's still an excuse to go to the Palestra, which doesn't come around as often as it should.... Plus there's the New Deck, and the well it's a day or night out in University City.
Not the worst thing in the world.
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