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Post by calsufan on Jul 26, 2018 9:56:12 GMT -5
The left and the right are becoming more defined every day. To say there is no left is impossible to comprehend for me given today’s environment. The difference is societal left versus system left. The former has always existed, the latter has mostly only existed in the fantasies of Fox News. Truly terrifying days ... What I find truly amazing is that the bullet list shown by Fox makes her a "socialist". My god has this country gone off the rails.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 26, 2018 10:31:21 GMT -5
When you've spent a few decades claiming corporate-owned centrists are left of Marx, its jarring when someone explicitly goes well left of the present-day center.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 29, 2018 22:41:30 GMT -5
(Still watching you, Steve.)
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jul 31, 2018 8:57:48 GMT -5
(Still watching you, Steve.) Patience, patience patience, Steve's still waiting for the new GOP talking points. Vlad and Don are busy crafting the new vision for the American future where Conspiracy, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, Witness Tampering, Election Violations, and of course Obstruction of Justice, are not crimes when STRONG people do them.
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 31, 2018 9:12:50 GMT -5
(Still watching you, Steve.) Patience, patience patience, Steve's still waiting for the new GOP talking points. Vlad and Don are busy crafting the new vision for the American future where Conspiracy, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, Witness Tampering, Election Violations, and of course Obstruction of Justice, are not crimes when STRONG people do them. What are the Democrats talking points? Raise taxes Open borders Free Healthcare they can’t figure out how to pay for Illegal Immigrants over Citizens Safe Spaces Spying on Citizens Just to name a few Can’t believe Steve is in my corner.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 31, 2018 9:26:46 GMT -5
1. Yes 2. That's left beyond even AOC, let alone the party 3. The goddamn Koch brothers, of all people, just had one of their funded think-tanks show it would save like $2 trillion over 3 years 4. LOL 5. Yes 6. Wasn't that a big part of Paul's "oooo don't test me I'll seriously throw a wrench in" bluff on Kavanaugh?
Just to answer a few.
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Post by durenduren on Jul 31, 2018 10:02:00 GMT -5
Open borders Free Healthcare they can’t figure out how to pay for Illegal Immigrants over Citizens Safe Spaces Spying on Citizens Just to name a few Can’t believe Steve is in my corner. Regrettable company, regardless of cause. But let's not be silly - Spying on citizens? I guess we're pretending the US Patriot Act wasn't signed by Bush? And nobody has called for open borders. And nobody has said illegal immigrants have more value than American citizens. Yikes, is that what you take from democratic talking points? I always try to understand why and what is making up republican talking points, even if I don't agree, but I at least understand why people agree with them (for the most part). I feel like you believe all democrats are UC Berkeley-types of liberal crazies. Pump the breaks lol.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 31, 2018 10:12:51 GMT -5
Its easier to fight strawmen. The graphic above is the best possible summary; its actually true to her talking points and most of the further left. Half would be radical for the Dems to embrace.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 31, 2018 10:36:42 GMT -5
If Healthcare becomes nationalized and immigration becomes settled, what would the two parties fight over?
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Post by ltrain38 on Jul 31, 2018 10:45:42 GMT -5
Complaining about political correctness is just saying "How dare anyone critique the awful things I say. I want the public sphere to be a safe space for white guys." Culture wars are identity politics. Just because you code it differently, that doesn't mean you're doing anything different. And making a straw man argument based on sensationalized stories about 18 year-olds on about ten college campuses is intellectually weak.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 31, 2018 11:07:22 GMT -5
What's amazing is that the right won't back-apply that. If one Dem candidate says anything open borders, its a party position or a wink-wink future party position. If literal, actual, explicit Nazis run as Republicans, its not indicative of the party or "good people on both sides" president.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jul 31, 2018 11:46:12 GMT -5
What's amazing is that the right won't back-apply that. If one Dem candidate says anything open borders, its a party position or a wink-wink future party position. If literal, actual, explicit Nazis run as Republicans, its not indicative of the party or "good people on both sides" president. So I agree with this. But there are issues, like Medicare for All, which have become the party position after being chided by the HRC democrats. Embrace change. Reach for the stars. We've seen the right do it for years and be successful.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 31, 2018 12:06:59 GMT -5
Oh, totally, that's why that graphic exists and is so damn funny. Some of those staged fears of the past are now picking up enough steam that the Dems themselves will have to embrace or die.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jul 31, 2018 12:13:54 GMT -5
Complaining about political correctness is just saying "How dare anyone critique the awful things I say. I want the public sphere to be a safe space for white guys." Culture wars are identity politics. Just because you code it differently, that doesn't mean you're doing anything different. And making a straw man argument based on sensationalized stories about 18 year-olds on about ten college campuses is intellectually weak. All of this is amazingly well said. You for President 2020.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 14, 2018 17:34:20 GMT -5
(Still watching you, Steve.) Patience, patience patience, Steve's still waiting for the new GOP talking points. Vlad and Don are busy crafting the new vision for the American future where Conspiracy, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, Witness Tampering, Election Violations, and of course Obstruction of Justice, are not crimes when STRONG people do them. Fingers crossed Steve ! Like Don has said, and clearly the juries going forward will have to recognize-- Mr. Manafort is really a good good guy. But if they are fooled and are not true patriots keep the faith! It will be tricky but Paul knows Don's got the pardon pen ready. Tricky part, the good guys just have to figure a way around the state charges that are surely ahead for Paul. But if anyone can find a way around the law Don can. Hang in there Paul oh and Steve ! It takes time we are making America great again!
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 18, 2018 6:44:51 GMT -5
Patience, patience patience, Steve's still waiting for the new GOP talking points. Vlad and Don are busy crafting the new vision for the American future where Conspiracy, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, Witness Tampering, Election Violations, and of course Obstruction of Justice, are not crimes when STRONG people do them. Fingers crossed Steve ! Like Don has said, and clearly the juries going forward will have to recognize-- Mr. Manafort is really a good good guy. But if they are fooled and are not true patriots keep the faith! It will be tricky but Paul knows Don's got the pardon pen ready. Tricky part, the good guys just have to figure a way around the state charges that are surely ahead for Paul. But if anyone can find a way around the law Don can. Hang in there Paul oh and Steve ! It takes time we are making America great again! A head scratcher? The Manafort defense team declined to bring on any character witnesses. Surely there are some! We can only hope the jury watches the news over the weekend and get a chance to hear Don again speaking about what a "good guy" Paul is and how sad and clearly Un-American to prosecute such a fine fellow. Let's make America great again! Free Paul Manfort!
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Post by explorer88 on Aug 18, 2018 8:44:14 GMT -5
Fingers crossed Steve ! Like Don has said, and clearly the juries going forward will have to recognize-- Mr. Manafort is really a good good guy. But if they are fooled and are not true patriots keep the faith! It will be tricky but Paul knows Don's got the pardon pen ready. Tricky part, the good guys just have to figure a way around the state charges that are surely ahead for Paul. But if anyone can find a way around the law Don can. Hang in there Paul oh and Steve ! It takes time we are making America great again! A head scratcher? The Manafort defense team declined to bring on any character witnesses. Surely there are some! We can only hope the jury watches the news over the weekend and get a chance to hear Don again speaking about what a "good guy" Paul is and how sad and clearly Un-American to prosecute such a fine fellow. Let's make America great again! Free Paul Manfort! And Hillary Clinton, Peter Strzock, James Clapper, John Brennan are not in jail. All of them should be rotting in jail.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 18, 2018 8:50:48 GMT -5
A head scratcher? The Manafort defense team declined to bring on any character witnesses. Surely there are some! We can only hope the jury watches the news over the weekend and get a chance to hear Don again speaking about what a "good guy" Paul is and how sad and clearly Un-American to prosecute such a fine fellow. Let's make America great again! Free Paul Manfort! And Hillary Clinton, Peter Strzock, James Clapper, John Brennan are not in jail. All of them should be rotting in jail. On what charges?
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 18, 2018 9:50:33 GMT -5
A head scratcher? The Manafort defense team declined to bring on any character witnesses. Surely there are some! We can only hope the jury watches the news over the weekend and get a chance to hear Don again speaking about what a "good guy" Paul is and how sad and clearly Un-American to prosecute such a fine fellow. Let's make America great again! Free Paul Manfort! And Hillary Clinton, Peter Strzock, James Clapper, John Brennan are not in jail. All of them should be rotting in jail. Patience MIK, give Don time. He is just getting started. Vlad's Russia was not built in a day. Yes, the American Presidency is a very powerful position but there are obstacles for a fellow like Don on his quest to deliver us to greatness. There are challenges (cranky and recalcitrant other branches of government) but ultimately I am not sure there is anyone positioned to stop Don. Don will not bow to other people's limits. Stay tuned, he will find his way to crush the opposition. Those enamored like yourself with Don are going to feel just swell in the end! All of those who unjustly treated him will pay dearly (unlike Jesus it will happen in this world). Keep the faith man! We are on the path to Greatness! And heaven help those in his line of fire!
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Post by jellybean on Aug 18, 2018 10:22:23 GMT -5
And Hillary Clinton, Peter Strzock, James Clapper, John Brennan are not in jail. All of them should be rotting in jail. On what charges? Recently watched the movie "Snowden". Clapper CLEARLY lied to a Congressional Committee on Surveillance. Perjury.
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Post by explorer88 on Aug 18, 2018 13:43:10 GMT -5
And Hillary Clinton, Peter Strzock, James Clapper, John Brennan are not in jail. All of them should be rotting in jail. On what charges? Where do I start? Brennan illegally spied on senators from the senate intell panel investigating CIA torture. Strozk abused his power and weaponized his authority to rig an election. I am sure he perjured himself as well as as James Clapper. The whole Obama intel community was weaponized. Hillary? Completely dispicable.
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Post by calsufan on Aug 18, 2018 14:56:56 GMT -5
Where do I start? Brennan illegally spied on senators from the senate intell panel investigating CIA torture. Strozk abused his power and weaponized his authority to rig an election. I am sure he perjured himself as well as as James Clapper. The whole Obama intel community was weaponized. Hillary? Completely dispicable. Are you f'ing for real Mik? Do you just take any slop that Fox News dishes out and spit it out vebatim? He was a "big man" talking to his lover trying to impress her. That's it. How did he rig the election? Was he the one working for Russia? No. I don't think so. And how are you "sure he perjured himself as well as James Clapper"? What real proof do you have? What exactly was the Obama intel community weaponized for exactly. And wtf do you even mean it was "weaponized"? And how exactly was it Obama's intel community"? Get real.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 18, 2018 16:31:13 GMT -5
Where do I start? Brennan illegally spied on senators from the senate intell panel investigating CIA torture. Strozk abused his power and weaponized his authority to rig an election. I am sure he perjured himself as well as as James Clapper. The whole Obama intel community was weaponized. Hillary? Completely dispicable. The only part of this that even borders on cogent thought is the Brennan stuff because there you’ve at least attempted to be specific. Fox News is literally poisoning the brains of half the white males in this country over let’s say 45 and it’s sad and alarming.
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Post by calsufan on Aug 18, 2018 22:01:20 GMT -5
Where do I start? Brennan illegally spied on senators from the senate intell panel investigating CIA torture. Strozk abused his power and weaponized his authority to rig an election. I am sure he perjured himself as well as as James Clapper. The whole Obama intel community was weaponized. Hillary? Completely dispicable. The only part of this that even borders on cogent thought is the Brennan stuff because there you’ve at least attempted to be specific. Fox News is literally poisoning the brains of half the white males in this country over let’s say 45 and it’s sad and alarming. Alarming is only the half of it. Fox News is doing this for profit and for no other reason. They're not there to give an objective viewpoint, they exist because they found a niche that they could profitably exploit. They've gone all in and have fanned the flames of the far right making it "okay" for people to openly say and do anything. And as a disclaimer, I don't think CNN is fair and balanced either but they sure as hell don't come up with such whack-a-doodle ideas like "deep state" conspiracies or pizza gate or a half dozen other far fetched, lame brain ideas.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 19, 2018 20:31:52 GMT -5
So is that a misdemeanor or a felony charge of being completely despicable, Other Steve?
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Post by durenduren on Aug 20, 2018 13:57:53 GMT -5
'Other Steve'. I chuckled.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 21, 2018 18:11:58 GMT -5
Fingers crossed Steve ! Like Don has said, and clearly the juries going forward will have to recognize-- Mr. Manafort is really a good good guy. But if they are fooled and are not true patriots keep the faith! It will be tricky but Paul knows Don's got the pardon pen ready. Tricky part, the good guys just have to figure a way around the state charges that are surely ahead for Paul. But if anyone can find a way around the law Don can. Hang in there Paul oh and Steve ! It takes time we are making America great again! A head scratcher? The Manafort defense team declined to bring on any character witnesses. Surely there are some! We can only hope the jury watches the news over the weekend and get a chance to hear Don again speaking about what a "good guy" Paul is and how sad and clearly Un-American to prosecute such a fine fellow. Let's make America great again! Free Paul Manfort! UGH! Rough day for the good guys! But hang in there Steve and like minded Don supporters. Don has been patient but it is coming. I for see a time that Don FIRES those deep state DOJ, FBI and other co-conspirator dogs running this witch hunt and he will pardon the loyal innocents! He will make America Great! Stay tuned to Fox news. Remember, if Nixon had Fox he would still be president! just kidding after all he has passed on!
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Post by explorer88 on Aug 21, 2018 18:41:04 GMT -5
Too funny Victorious.
I love how the Democrats see the word from their safe space.
Tough day for those Democrats as well as we found out Mollie Tibbetts was tragically killed by an illegal alien. That story far outweighs the bullshit Manfort case that is not tied at all to Trump and collusion. Democrats will suffer for favoring illegals over citizens. The blue wave is gone and Trump will be your President in 2020.
Not one thing is going to happen to him. Mueller has wasted $25 Million of your dollars but Democrats are great at that.
Open Borders Abolish Ice Raise Taxes Weaponize the intel community Socialism
The Democrats have a great platform to sell To America.
Great banter because despite all of this I like my man Victorious as a La Salle fan more than Steve. I hope I can buy him a beer despite my political views. Only American beer though lol!!!
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Post by MisterD on Aug 21, 2018 18:58:18 GMT -5
Part of the problem is some people see this as fun banter because there are no real world effects to them.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 21, 2018 20:06:51 GMT -5
Yeah. I’m going to respectfully put forth that this thread has run it’s course. I’m not going to lock, moderate, delete, etc. that’s just my opinion. I get literal stomach pains.
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