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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 21, 2018 20:07:52 GMT -5
Too funny Victorious. I love how the Democrats see the word from their safe space. Tough day for those Democrats as well as we found out Mollie Tibbetts was tragically killed by an illegal alien. That story far outweighs the bullshit Manfort case that is not tied at all to Trump and collusion. Democrats will suffer for favoring illegals over citizens. The blue wave is gone and Trump will be your President in 2020. Not one thing is going to happen to him. Mueller has wasted $25 Million of your dollars but Democrats are great at that. Open Borders Abolish Ice Raise Taxes Weaponize the intel community Socialism The Democrats have a great platform to sell To America. Great banter because despite all of this I like my man Victorious as a La Salle fan more than Steve. I hope I can buy him a beer despite my political views. Only American beer though lol!!! Again, how much Fox News would you say you watch a day?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Aug 21, 2018 21:53:12 GMT -5
Tough day for those Democrats as well as we found out Mollie Tibbetts was tragically killed by an illegal alien. Really? You're really going there? You're really using the murder of a 20 year old girl as a means of justifying your political agenda within hours of that information being revealed? Wow. Let's not even bring up that an American citizen in Colorado committed a far more heinous crime last week in the murder of his pregnant wife and their two young children, because, you know, that doesn't advance your political agenda. Regardless of anyone's politics, cheering because it was an undocumented immigrant / illegal alien (choose your own term that suits your purpose) committed a murder is one of the lowest things I've seen. "Tough day for those Democrats"? In reality, it's a tough day for the Tibbetts family who will never get their daughter back, regardless of who killed her - citizen or not.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 22, 2018 6:56:27 GMT -5
Tough day for those Democrats as well as we found out Mollie Tibbetts was tragically killed by an illegal alien. Really? You're really going there? You're really using the murder of a 20 year old girl as a means of justifying your political agenda within hours of that information being revealed? Wow. Let's not even bring up that an American citizen in Colorado committed a far more heinous crime last week in the murder of his pregnant wife and their two young children, because, you know, that doesn't advance your political agenda. Regardless of anyone's politics, cheering because it was an undocumented immigrant / illegal alien (choose your own term that suits your purpose) committed a murder is one of the lowest things I've seen. "Tough day for those Democrats"? In reality, it's a tough day for the Tibbetts family who will never get their daughter back, regardless of who killed her - citizen or not. • The victims: At least 58 people were killed and more than 500 hurt. • The suspect: Stephen Paddock, 64, lived in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada. His motive is unknown. Naturalized, retired, old white guys seem to get a pass on this 1 by Don and Fox news. Oh Gee, I wonder why?
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Post by 1801olney on Aug 22, 2018 7:55:54 GMT -5
Yeah. I’m going to respectfully put forth that this thread has run it’s course. I’m not going to lock, moderate, delete, etc. that’s just my opinion. I get literal stomach pains. Go to your safe space.
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Post by explorer88 on Aug 22, 2018 8:04:25 GMT -5
Really? You're really going there? You're really using the murder of a 20 year old girl as a means of justifying your political agenda within hours of that information being revealed? Wow. Let's not even bring up that an American citizen in Colorado committed a far more heinous crime last week in the murder of his pregnant wife and their two young children, because, you know, that doesn't advance your political agenda. Regardless of anyone's politics, cheering because it was an undocumented immigrant / illegal alien (choose your own term that suits your purpose) committed a murder is one of the lowest things I've seen. "Tough day for those Democrats"? In reality, it's a tough day for the Tibbetts family who will never get their daughter back, regardless of who killed her - citizen or not. • The victims: At least 58 people were killed and more than 500 hurt. • The suspect: Stephen Paddock, 64, lived in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada. His motive is unknown. Naturalized, retired, old white guys seem to get a pass on this 1 by Don and Fox news. Oh Gee, I wonder why? More people killed in Chicago and other major cities all run by Democrats than anyone you name combined by some lunatic who had a gun.
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Post by theneumann64 on Aug 22, 2018 8:16:18 GMT -5
"but Chicago" "Hillary should be in jail" "Open Borders"
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 22, 2018 8:35:52 GMT -5
• The victims: At least 58 people were killed and more than 500 hurt. • The suspect: Stephen Paddock, 64, lived in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada. His motive is unknown. Naturalized, retired, old white guys seem to get a pass on this 1 by Don and Fox news. Oh Gee, I wonder why? More people killed in Chicago and other major cities all run by Democrats than anyone you name combined by some lunatic who had a gun. But if you look at it per capita gun deaths, Illinois falls WAY out of the top group. (Information from Center of Injury Prevention and Disease Control). Rate is per 100,000 people. STATE RATE DEATHS AK 23.3 177 AL 21.5 1,046 LA 21.3 987 MS 19.9 587 OK 19.6 766 MO 19 1,144 MT 18.9 194 NM 18.1 383 AR 17.8 541 SC 17.7 891 KY 17.5 772 WV 17.5 332 WY 17.4 101 TN 17.1 1,148 NV 16.8 498 AZ 15.2 1,094 GA 15 1,571 IN 15 997 ID 14.6 242 CO 14.3 812 NC 13.7 1,409 KS 13.4 383 SD 13.4 108 OH 12.9 1,524 UT 12.9 370 FL 12.6 2,704 MI 12.3 1,230 TX 12.1 3,353 VA 12.1 1,049 PA 12 1,555 MD 11.9 707 ND 11.9 90 OR 11.9 513 IL 11.7 1,490
WI 11.4 664 VT 11.1 78 DE 11 111 NH 9.3 132 IA 9.2 288 NE 9.1 171 WA 9 686 ME 8.3 123 CA 7.9 3,184 MN 7.6 432 NJ 5.5 485 CT 4.6 172 HI 4.5 66 NY 4.4 900 RI 4.1 49 MA 3.4 242
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Post by durenduren on Aug 22, 2018 8:56:35 GMT -5
Not one thing is going to happen to him. Mueller has wasted $25 Million of your dollars but Democrats are great at that. The grand total cost of the investigation is an estimated $17 million since Mueller was appointed. 32 people and 3 companies have had publicly initiated criminal proceedings against them as a result, including a slew of convictions or guilty pleas. But the Republican-led Starr investigation spent over six years on Clinton, which led to zero indictments or convictions, and billed taxpayers more than $70 million. So far the Democratic 'witchunt' (led by Republican) Mueller have been pretty damn cost effective compared to the Republican investigation led by Starr, because not a damn thing happened to Clinton - Republicans are great at that... But we can just pretend that never happened so you can make your point, regardless of historical context.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 22, 2018 9:20:15 GMT -5
• The victims: At least 58 people were killed and more than 500 hurt. • The suspect: Stephen Paddock, 64, lived in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nevada. His motive is unknown. Naturalized, retired, old white guys seem to get a pass on this 1 by Don and Fox news. Oh Gee, I wonder why? More people killed in Chicago and other major cities all run by Democrats than anyone you name combined by some lunatic who had a gun. I know Don and the Fox news folk's hearts just break in response to all those Chicago fellow citizens deaths. Their grief and sadness should be a lesson in compassion and inspiration for us all! But I don't want to loss track of what I am wrestling with. Don and Fox give me inescapable and vivid flashbacks to my classroom experiences as an undergrad at La Salle. Way back in the 70's. I can't remember the specific class (could have been Ethics and Morality, Theology, Social Science) but the lecture topics were clearly about the inhumanity that occurs in the scapegoating and stigmatizing of others.
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Post by calsufan on Aug 22, 2018 9:20:43 GMT -5
More people killed in Chicago and other major cities all run by Democrats than anyone you name combined by some lunatic who had a gun. But if you look at it per capita gun deaths, Illinois falls WAY out of the top group. (Information from Center of Injury Prevention and Disease Control). Rate is per 100,000 people. STATE RATE DEATHS AK 23.3 177 AL 21.5 1,046 LA 21.3 987 MS 19.9 587 OK 19.6 766 MO 19 1,144 MT 18.9 194 NM 18.1 383 AR 17.8 541 SC 17.7 891 KY 17.5 772 WV 17.5 332 WY 17.4 101 TN 17.1 1,148 NV 16.8 498 AZ 15.2 1,094 GA 15 1,571 IN 15 997 ID 14.6 242 CO 14.3 812 NC 13.7 1,409 KS 13.4 383 SD 13.4 108 OH 12.9 1,524 UT 12.9 370 FL 12.6 2,704 MI 12.3 1,230 TX 12.1 3,353 VA 12.1 1,049 PA 12 1,555 MD 11.9 707 ND 11.9 90 OR 11.9 513 IL 11.7 1,490
WI 11.4 664 VT 11.1 78 DE 11 111 NH 9.3 132 IA 9.2 288 NE 9.1 171 WA 9 686 ME 8.3 123 CA 7.9 3,184 MN 7.6 432 NJ 5.5 485 CT 4.6 172 HI 4.5 66 NY 4.4 900 RI 4.1 49 MA 3.4 242 GOD DAMN those f'ng facts. They always seem to get in the way.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 22, 2018 9:45:41 GMT -5
Lot of Trump states up top.
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Post by durenduren on Aug 22, 2018 9:53:09 GMT -5
More people killed in Chicago and other major cities all run by Democrats than anyone you name combined by some lunatic who had a gun. But if you look at it per capita gun deaths, Illinois falls WAY out of the top group. (Information from Center of Injury Prevention and Disease Control). Rate is per 100,000 people. STATE RATE DEATHS AK 23.3 177AL 21.5 1,046 LA 21.3 987 MS 19.9 587 OK 19.6 766 MO 19 1,144 MT 18.9 194NM 18.1 383AR 17.8 541 SC 17.7 891 KY 17.5 772 WV 17.5 332 WY 17.4 101TN 17.1 1,148NV 16.8 498AZ 15.2 1,094GA 15 1,571IN 15 997ID 14.6 242 CO 14.3 812 NC 13.7 1,409KS 13.4 383 SD 13.4 108 OH 12.9 1,524 UT 12.9 370FL 12.6 2,704MI 12.3 1,230TX 12.1 3,353 VA 12.1 1,049PA 12 1,555MD 11.9 707ND 11.9 90OR 11.9 513IL 11.7 1,490 WI 11.4 664VT 11.1 78DE 11 111NH 9.3 132 IA 9.2 288 NE 9.1 171WA 9 686ME 8.3 123CA 7.9 3,184MN 7.6 432NJ 5.5 485CT 4.6 172HI 4.5 66NY 4.4 900RI 4.1 49MA 3.4 242I did some color-coding based off 2014 partisan splits... So um, I'm seeing alot of red for the gun-violent states, and alot of blue in the least violent states. Weird that your argument sorta sucks. Guess truths are not actually truths... But seriously - why even make gun violence a partisan argument? Isn't that universally a pretty sad thing?
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Post by durenduren on Aug 22, 2018 10:22:21 GMT -5
Tough day for those Democrats as well as we found out Mollie Tibbetts was tragically killed by an illegal alien. It's starting to break that the illegal alien worked on a farm owned by the family of the Iowa GOP candidate for Secretary of Agriculture. I'll let that one stand on its own, if true.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 22, 2018 10:46:51 GMT -5
This is giving me flashbacks to when my entire NY-born, Roman Catholic raised Irish-American family had to go into hiding after Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah Building in OKC. Some say profiling an entire demographic is wrong but did any of us commit a similar crime?
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Post by ltrain38 on Aug 22, 2018 10:47:51 GMT -5
I really hate that this thread is still happening, since no one has ever been convinced by arguments online. But I'm also easily baited into this stuff, so here it goes.
1. Blaming gun violence in Chicago on the fact that "Democrats run the city government" is impossibly shallow and ignorant. I acknowledge that single party government for that amount of time inevitably leads to problems of accountability, but there are far more obvious and tangible causes. Like, for example, the totally unregulated flow of firearms from neighboring Indiana and nearby Missouri, from which most guns in Chicago can be traced, having been purchased legally with little oversight and transferred illegally. Or we could talk about the failure of policing strategies that have treated poor minority neighborhoods as occupied territory and have built no trust in a few parts of the South and West sides where the murder clearance rate is less than 20%.
2. Citing an occasional case where an undocumented person commits a crime to suggest by insinuation that it's an epidemic is deeply dishonest. We know that crime rates among immigrants are lower than among citizens and a rise among their American born children to the levels of crime among citizens demonstrate assimilation to a negative part of the culture we already have here. It is true that people without recourse to the law may look for protection in gangs, which offer a kind of parallel state, but that might not happen if we (and stay with me here, because this is pretty wild) gave them recourse to the law. As far the "massive flows" of illegal border crossers, this is a fictional problem. Numbers have been way down for a decade, most people here without documentation overstayed once valid visas. But fictional problems demand fictional solutions, like a wall that makes you feel better, because "the big man made the scary brown people go away" or something.
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Post by durenduren on Aug 22, 2018 10:57:36 GMT -5
I really hate that this thread is still happening, since no one has ever been convinced by arguments online. But I'm also easily baited into this stuff... Preach.
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Post by ltrain38 on Aug 22, 2018 11:00:53 GMT -5
And just to make sure we all understand the significance of what happened yesterday, Trump's association with people who launder money from the former Soviet Republics is significant for Trump because that was his business model before becoming President. Licensing the Trump brand to a hotel project for an Azerbaijani oligarch who uses construction projects to launder money for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards: www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-dealSimilar processes in Georgia, Indonesia, etc.: www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruptionCash only real estate deals to hide the money embezzled by the former mayor of Almaty, Kazakhstan in Trump properties in NY: www.newsweek.com/corruption-case-begins-against-kazakh-couple-allegedly-laundered-money-1044008The majority of his real estate sales for years have been to anonymous buyers, which is legal in New York for some crazy reason, which is the way the post-Soviet oligarch class launders money through US and UK property purchases: www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532969080/anonymous-buyers-account-for-majority-of-trump-property-salesI can go on, but anyone who does not actively choose denial will see the pattern. Trump failed as a real estate developer and made a comeback on an image built through reality television and leveraged into a business primarily based around money laundering. He associates with criminals like Manafort because they were in the same business before Trump was a political figure and all of their deals connect them to a network that circles around a certain foreign head of state [whom, because I sometimes work in countries mentioned here, I will not name] through kickbacks and support for similar figures abroad. Trump isn't, as some zealous but less knowledgeable critics claim, "a Russian agent." He is a franchise of the international post-Soviet mafia state model.
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Post by explorer88 on Aug 22, 2018 11:14:10 GMT -5
I really hate that this thread is still happening, since no one has ever been convinced by arguments online. But I'm also easily baited into this stuff, so here it goes. 1. Blaming gun violence in Chicago on the fact that "Democrats run the city government" is impossibly shallow and ignorant. I acknowledge that single party government for that amount of time inevitably leads to problems of accountability, but there are far more obvious and tangible causes. Like, for example, the totally unregulated flow of firearms from neighboring Indiana and nearby Missouri, from which most guns in Chicago can be traced, having been purchased legally with little oversight and transferred illegally. Or we could talk about the failure of policing strategies that have treated poor minority neighborhoods as occupied territory and have built no trust in a few parts of the South and West sides where the murder clearance rate is less than 20%. 2. Citing an occasional case where an undocumented person commits a crime to suggest by insinuation that it's an epidemic is deeply dishonest. We know that crime rates among immigrants are lower than among citizens and a rise among their American born children to the levels of crime among citizens demonstrate assimilation to a negative part of the culture we already have here. It is true that people without recourse to the law may look for protection in gangs, which offer a kind of parallel state, but that might not happen if we (and stay with me here, because this is pretty wild) gave them recourse to the law. As far the "massive flows" of illegal border crossers, this is a fictional problem. Numbers have been way down for a decade, most people here without documentation overstayed once valid visas. But fictional problems demand fictional solutions, like a wall that makes you feel better, because "the big man made the scary brown people go away" or something. I think you are looking at this quite literally. Of course their are Democrats that want to change things in Chicago and the inner cities. I agree with you that these debates paint with a wide brush that doesn't take everything into account. I never wanted to get into this debate but like you I got sucked in. My only point is that democratic lawmakers have the heavy hand in the inner cities. That is a fact and can't be ignored. I am sorry the illegal immigration fiasco this country faces is as important as it gets. The country should know how many people will use social services and account for that with budgets & funding, manpower etc... I told another board member an ordeal my Mother had trying to get seen on an emergency basis at Wills Eye hospital. My Mother had to wait in agony for 8 hours because Wills Eye was overcrowded with people who had no insurance and many of them had no medical documents with them. My Brother In Law's wife is an emergency nurse in NYC and they can't handle all of the people coming in on the weekend when she works which represents citizens with insurance, without insurance, and illegals pressing on services that they cannot handle often. How can you determine how much money you need for social services when you don't have an accurate number on who is using it and often no way to recoup the funds need to pay for it? Who pays for that? People who are trying to live here within the law. There are an estimated 12,000,000 here illegally. There is not many problems bigger than that for the country. For the life of me I can't understand how the idiots on Capital Hill (both Republican & Democrat) can't fix the immigration problems in this country. I think I am done with this thread. The board like the country is really dug in and divided on some of these issues.
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Post by calsufan on Aug 22, 2018 11:16:32 GMT -5
"but Chicago" "Hillary should be in jail" "Open Borders" ....anyone have a Fox News Bingo yet? BINGO!!!!!
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Aug 22, 2018 11:29:18 GMT -5
My Brother In Law's wife is an emergency nurse in NYC and they can't handle all of the people coming in on the weekend when she works which represents citizens with insurance, without insurance, and illegals pressing on services that they cannot handle often. I'm glad you are a supporter of Medicare for All. Kudos to you.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 22, 2018 11:47:40 GMT -5
I am sorry the illegal immigration fiasco this country faces is as important as it gets. The country should know how many people will use social services and account for that with budgets & funding, manpower etc... I told another board member an ordeal my Mother had trying to get seen on an emergency basis at Wills Eye hospital. My Mother had to wait in agony for 8 hours because Wills Eye was overcrowded with people who had no insurance and many of them had no medical documents with them. My Brother In Law's wife is an emergency nurse in NYC and they can't handle all of the people coming in on the weekend when she works which represents citizens with insurance, without insurance, and illegals pressing on services that they cannot handle often. Good argument for universal health care. How can you determine how much money you need for social services when you don't have an accurate number on who is using it and often no way to recoup the funds need to pay for it? Who pays for that? People who are trying to live here within the law. There are an estimated 12,000,000 here illegally. There is not many problems bigger than that for the country. Good argument for not fucking with the census. For the life of me I can't understand how the idiots on Capital Hill (both Republican & Democrat) can't fix the immigration problems in this country. People haven't been able to "fix" the problem since the beginning of the country and its led to such issues as "building the entire country". I think I am done with this thread. The board like the country is really dug in and divided on some of these issues. Yup.
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Post by durenduren on Aug 22, 2018 11:59:03 GMT -5
For the life of me I can't understand how the idiots on Capital Hill (both Republican & Democrat) can't fix the immigration problems in this country. Preach. There's some major issues in this country, and we get mired in never-ending partisan bullshit. Scarier is that the youngest voters have only seen this partisan back-and-forth, and their definition of politics is what we see today. It'll be a wonder if they ever vote.
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Post by ltrain38 on Aug 22, 2018 12:08:19 GMT -5
I really hate that this thread is still happening, since no one has ever been convinced by arguments online. But I'm also easily baited into this stuff, so here it goes. 1. Blaming gun violence in Chicago on the fact that "Democrats run the city government" is impossibly shallow and ignorant. I acknowledge that single party government for that amount of time inevitably leads to problems of accountability, but there are far more obvious and tangible causes. Like, for example, the totally unregulated flow of firearms from neighboring Indiana and nearby Missouri, from which most guns in Chicago can be traced, having been purchased legally with little oversight and transferred illegally. Or we could talk about the failure of policing strategies that have treated poor minority neighborhoods as occupied territory and have built no trust in a few parts of the South and West sides where the murder clearance rate is less than 20%. 2. Citing an occasional case where an undocumented person commits a crime to suggest by insinuation that it's an epidemic is deeply dishonest. We know that crime rates among immigrants are lower than among citizens and a rise among their American born children to the levels of crime among citizens demonstrate assimilation to a negative part of the culture we already have here. It is true that people without recourse to the law may look for protection in gangs, which offer a kind of parallel state, but that might not happen if we (and stay with me here, because this is pretty wild) gave them recourse to the law. As far the "massive flows" of illegal border crossers, this is a fictional problem. Numbers have been way down for a decade, most people here without documentation overstayed once valid visas. But fictional problems demand fictional solutions, like a wall that makes you feel better, because "the big man made the scary brown people go away" or something. I think you are looking at this quite literally. Of course their are Democrats that want to change things in Chicago and the inner cities. I agree with you that these debates paint with a wide brush that doesn't take everything into account. I never wanted to get into this debate but like you I got sucked in. My only point is that democratic lawmakers have the heavy hand in the inner cities. That is a fact and can't be ignored. I am sorry the illegal immigration fiasco this country faces is as important as it gets. The country should know how many people will use social services and account for that with budgets & funding, manpower etc... I told another board member an ordeal my Mother had trying to get seen on an emergency basis at Wills Eye hospital. My Mother had to wait in agony for 8 hours because Wills Eye was overcrowded with people who had no insurance and many of them had no medical documents with them. My Brother In Law's wife is an emergency nurse in NYC and they can't handle all of the people coming in on the weekend when she works which represents citizens with insurance, without insurance, and illegals pressing on services that they cannot handle often. How can you determine how much money you need for social services when you don't have an accurate number on who is using it and often no way to recoup the funds need to pay for it? Who pays for that? People who are trying to live here within the law. There are an estimated 12,000,000 here illegally. There is not many problems bigger than that for the country. For the life of me I can't understand how the idiots on Capital Hill (both Republican & Democrat) can't fix the immigration problems in this country. I think I am done with this thread. The board like the country is really dug in and divided on some of these issues. I get that this is a frustrating conversation for all of us, and I'm sorry if it got hostile, but you were giving a lot of slogans. But I don't want this to sour the board outside this thread - I have a lot of respect for your engagement with the program and our school. But I do hope you'll stay in the thread, because I feel like we're discussing a real issue now. I think it's fair to say that there is a strain on emergency rooms posed by their use by undocumented people. I'm sorry for the pain that caused your mother. But I think this is a function of a lack of insurance or alternatives for people without legal status working off the books. But rather than trying to uproot 10-12 million people embedded in our economy, that could be solved more easily by a guest worker program. That was what we should have done instead of intensifying border enforcement in the 70s, when enforcement just broke the pattern of seasonal migration and took away incentives to go back to Mexico. We could take away incentives to gang membership or excessive emergency room visits by letting people feel safe going to police and feel able to go to a regular doctor's office with insurance. Make people legible to the state, bring in more taxes from now reported incomes. That seems a more realistic approach. If your concern is to stop new unauthorized arrivals, that's happening on a much smaller scale since the '08 crash and recession, and overstayed visas were always a bigger component.
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Post by MisterD on Aug 22, 2018 12:22:26 GMT -5
Always weird that the option of harsh crackdowns on those who employ (and thus incent) undocumented is never proposed. Probably an oversight.
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Post by 1801olney on Aug 22, 2018 12:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Aug 22, 2018 22:19:54 GMT -5
So hard to see the good from the bad here. Life is truly a coin flip.
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Post by weston2 on Aug 22, 2018 22:50:04 GMT -5
Immigration issue needs a draft...…….territorial picks. How many rounds?
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 23, 2018 6:41:57 GMT -5
A head scratcher? The Manafort defense team declined to bring on any character witnesses. Surely there are some! We can only hope the jury watches the news over the weekend and get a chance to hear Don again speaking about what a "good guy" Paul is and how sad and clearly Un-American to prosecute such a fine fellow. Let's make America great again! Free Paul Manfort! UGH! Rough day for the good guys! But hang in there Steve and like minded Don supporters. Don has been patient but it is coming. I for see a time that Don FIRES those deep state DOJ, FBI and other co-conspirator dogs running this witch hunt and he will pardon the loyal innocents! He will make America Great! Stay tuned to Fox news. Remember, if Nixon had Fox he would still be president! just kidding after all he has passed on! Greatness exists! Paul was spared conviction on all 18 counts. Convicted on just 8/10. It took just 1 juror holdout who despite whatever evidence was put before her (according to another juror) she had a reasonable doubt. Like Don, (perhaps inspired by Don?) undoubtedly, she saw the heart of a Good Man in Paul. Hold on Paul Don will pardon you! Your a Good man! Move over Hannity, greatness and respect for subjective truth should not go unrewarded there should be a prime time show for this juror ahead!
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Aug 25, 2018 15:01:14 GMT -5
UGH! Rough day for the good guys! But hang in there Steve and like minded Don supporters. Don has been patient but it is coming. I for see a time that Don FIRES those deep state DOJ, FBI and other co-conspirator dogs running this witch hunt and he will pardon the loyal innocents! He will make America Great! Stay tuned to Fox news. Remember, if Nixon had Fox he would still be president! just kidding after all he has passed on! Greatness exists! Paul was spared conviction on all 18 counts. Convicted on just 8/10. It took just 1 juror holdout who despite whatever evidence was put before her (according to another juror) she had a reasonable doubt. Like Don, (perhaps inspired by Don?) undoubtedly, she saw the heart of a Good Man in Paul. Hold on Paul Don will pardon you! Your a Good man! Move over Hannity, greatness and respect for subjective truth should not go unrewarded there should be a prime time show for this juror ahead! The Manafort pardon is on its way! And this is not just driven by Don’s compassion for this fine innocent fellow. But given Don’s high praise for Paul it is hard to argue against the notion that Paul also embodies the profile of a man who demonstrates greatness in Don’s eyes. Don is changing our vision of greatness! Yes, Paul did some fine work advancing Vlad’s cause on the international scene that likely factors in and Don also admires. But, more importantly to Don, Paul has bravely stood up to the FBI Investigators and DOJ and has shown unwavering loyalty by not implicating other colleagues in his crimes. For those with some intellectual curiosity about why I am suggesting we are seeng a monumental change to our concept of greatness that Don is espousing, I would direct your attention to Don’s view of dare I say John Mc Cain. There are some folks who might see greatness in the kind of loyalty and perhaps bravery John has demonstrated during his life. Greatness revealed by John’s self-sacrifice with his military service, putting himself repeatedly in harms way, giving up a chance to jump ahead of fellow prisoners and escape his enemy imprisonment. The disdainful comments, dismissiveness of Don toward John McCain has spoken volumes. To try to clearly sum it up, Don’s vision for America greatness seems to incorporate something like this--- Paul Manafort is a brave good and loyal man! While John McCain is a first class chump. Undoubtedly, we are looking at a new concept of bravery and loyalty that those other than the blind followers of Don might have some trouble understanding initially. But these folks (e. g. 401 K Trumpers) will certainly rally behind Don when called upon. Right Steve and............?
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