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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 9, 2016 13:14:40 GMT -5
Last night's Cavs win over the Warriors was the 20th game decided by 30+ points in this year's playoffs. I'm not even talking about the 12-20 point victories, I'm talking about 30 point fucking blowouts. Aside from the Warriors coming back in Game 6 vs. the Thunder, we haven't seen a good game since the 2nd round of the playoffs.
The NBA has a problem. These games are almost pre-determined. Whatever team needs the said game more, they show up, wratchet up the intesity, and the team that doesn't need the game as much gets throttled. I love Steph Curry, been a fan since his freshman year at Davidson. I love watching the regular season Warriors, I love basketball. But I'm watching a rugby match in playoff basketball. Dellavedova was like a monkey trying to hump a football last night on Curry at the end of the 1st half. No call. It's bad officiating. It's bad basketball.
End of rant.
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Post by blueandgold on Jun 9, 2016 14:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by a10champion15 on Jun 9, 2016 22:49:26 GMT -5
I don't really care about the officiating. It is what it is. This series isn't really the norm.
What I have a problem with is that the NBA playoffs are meaningless up until the conference finals. Even the Raptors Cav series was god awful and that was a conference final series.
The NBA has a problem because there isn't any parity in the sport anymore. The league is controlled by a couple teams and the chance of a low seed making a run is beyond remote.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jun 10, 2016 5:41:51 GMT -5
I don't really care about the officiating. It is what it is. This series isn't really the norm. What I have a problem with is that the NBA playoffs are meaningless up until the conference finals. Even the Raptors Cav series was god awful and that was a conference final series. The NBA has a problem because there isn't any parity in the sport anymore. The league is controlled by a couple teams and the chance of a low seed making a run is beyond remote. It's not the "NBA Playoffs' but the Eastern Conference that is just bad. The NBA's problem is the super teams. And they are all super teams anymore. Remove the Max Contract limit and that goes away. If LeBron James could command 40% of a salary cap, he should be able to. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 10, 2016 8:21:36 GMT -5
I don't really care about the officiating. It is what it is. This series isn't really the norm. What I have a problem with is that the NBA playoffs are meaningless up until the conference finals. Even the Raptors Cav series was god awful and that was a conference final series. The NBA has a problem because there isn't any parity in the sport anymore. The league is controlled by a couple teams and the chance of a low seed making a run is beyond remote. It's not the "NBA Playoffs' but the Eastern Conference that is just bad. The NBA's problem is the super teams. And they are all super teams anymore. Remove the Max Contract limit and that goes away. If LeBron James could command 40% of a salary cap, he should be able to. I have 2 opinions on this; either run a hard salary cap like the NFL/NHL, or get rid of the salary cap all together. I also agree with Joe, the max player contract needs to be eliminated. I do think officiating is terrible. There was a big push last year to clean up the college game, after it became a rugby match (particularly in the Big 10) 2 years ago. Watching these playoffs, it is reminiscent of watching White Men Catch Jump, with the holding and clutching that went on in that movie. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Jun 10, 2016 8:45:33 GMT -5
The NBA has a problem because there isn't any parity in the sport anymore. The league is controlled by a couple teams and the chance of a low seed making a run is beyond remote. This has always been the case. There has never, at any point, been "parity" in the NBA like there has been at certain points in other sports. Not saying that's better or worse, but no matter what your consider the "Golden Age" of the NBA, I'll guarantee you there was no real parity during that time period. |
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Post by blueandgold on Jun 10, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5
I will be mad if Game 5 Monday night is a blowout - I would rather watch crazy Chad on The Bachelorette in its usual Monday night timeslot.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 11, 2016 11:00:02 GMT -5
Lebron was rattled last night...it says here that the Warriors close this series out Monday in Oakland.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 16, 2016 20:29:00 GMT -5
The warriors are shooting themselves out of Game 6.
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Post by glorydays on Jun 17, 2016 10:30:35 GMT -5
As bad as it may be, I will be watching game 7 on Sunday.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 20, 2016 7:38:54 GMT -5
Seemed ok to me.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 20, 2016 9:49:53 GMT -5
I'm a Lebron hater, but I have to recognize his greatness...what he did was special. I loved the Warriors, but they were beaten by a better team. The fluidity of a jumpshot being on and off is what makes building a team around the 3 ball so risky. I hope that Lebron stays with the Cavs, and this Cavs-Warriors rivalry becomes a thing that lasts a half decade. It is awesome to see 2 teams that genuinely hate each other battle.
I also think the officiating went from calling it as a basketball game in the regular season to a 1990 Detroit Pistons game. That favored the Warriors. At the end of the day, players make plays, and Lebron and Kyrie made plays, and my boy Curry didn't. Here's to the Cavs, as much as it pains me to say it.
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Post by glorydays on Jun 20, 2016 10:22:04 GMT -5
Though not my fave, Kevin Love had a nice game 7. 14 rebounds and a plus 19! That is wild.
Hey, we still have the NBA Summer Leagues and the Olympics this summer----coach K's last Olympiad.
We also have the NBA draft.,Will the Sixers trade Okafor to Boston?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 20, 2016 11:03:03 GMT -5
Though not my fave, Kevin Love had a nice game 7. 14 rebounds and a plus 19! That is wild. Hey, we still have the NBA Summer Leagues and the Olympics this summer----coach K's last Olympiad. We also have the NBA draft.,Will the Sixers trade Okafor to Boston? I'd like to see them trade Noel, get the 3rd pick, and take Buddy Hield. |
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Post by MisterD on Jun 20, 2016 11:09:18 GMT -5
I'll wager one Explorer Buck that Hield is nothing special in the pros.
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Post by durenduren on Jun 20, 2016 11:19:22 GMT -5
I'll wager one Explorer Buck that Hield is nothing special in the pros. Heard the value of the Explorer Buck really tanked following a 9-win season. Got the same feeling for Heild though. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 20, 2016 12:23:58 GMT -5
I'll wager one Explorer Buck that Hield is nothing special in the pros. What if he had a 10+ year career as a starter like a JJ Redick. I mean, JJ is nothing special, but he sure as hell wasn't a bust. Do I lose the bet if that happens? |
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Post by MisterD on Jun 20, 2016 12:30:49 GMT -5
Hmmm ... I'm pretty out of the NBA loop so I don't really know. If he's picked at #3 overall and has that career, he's a relative bust, right? At 8-10 I'm not sure.
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Post by durenduren on Jun 20, 2016 13:00:58 GMT -5
Guess if we're going this far, might as well ask -- If Heild theoretically has a Redick-esque career, would you trade whatever Okafor is/will be for Redick at the beginning of his career? I probably wouldn't, simply banking on Okafor's potential.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 20, 2016 13:08:53 GMT -5
Does seem like bad use of an asset.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 20, 2016 13:28:11 GMT -5
Guess if we're going this far, might as well ask -- If Heild theoretically has a Redick-esque career, would you trade whatever Okafor is/will be for Redick at the beginning of his career? I probably wouldn't, simply banking on Okafor's potential. Maybe a better example is Evan Turner, since he was the #2 pick in 2010. Evan Turner has held on and will have a long NBA career as a starter. But he always leaves me underwhelmed. I wouldn't trade Okafor for Evan Turner. Here's the deal with draft picks, though, we are all just prognosticating. Carmelo was a #3 pick, Durant was a #2 pick*. I'd trade Okafor for either of those coming out of college. I think the NBA game will always be like a pendulum. Right now, everyone is shifting to stretch 4's and de-valuing centers. However, it isn't always going to be that way, and if you look at shooting going hot and cold, the Finals proved that traditional basketball still wins, as much as it pains me to say. *I don't think Hield will be Durant or Carmelo, nor do I think he'll be anything close to them. However, I want to see the Sixers draft a backcourt player, just for the sake of roster balance. |
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Post by durenduren on Jun 20, 2016 13:37:05 GMT -5
However, I want to see the Sixers draft a backcourt player, just for the sake of roster balance. The 76ers appreciate your suggestion, but have decided to continue drafting centers and power forwards exclusively because dunk shots. |
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Post by coqui900 on Jun 20, 2016 16:36:38 GMT -5
I very much want the Sixers to trade Okafor. He has one very good skill -- scoring close to the rim -- and is a severe minus in everything else, including things he should be good at for his size, especially rebounding. He has time to improve, obviously, but he's really starting from the bottom as a defender/rebounder/etc. His cool efficiency scoring at the rim really doesn't mean much if you're a huge liability everywhere else on the court.
The game last night was epic and awesome. Good for the Cavs and Cleveland.
There has never been parity in the NBA, at least based on who wins the title. Since 1984, only 10 teams have won the title. If my counting is right, only another seven "outsiders" have made the finals without winning at some point. The NBA is built on dynasties -- Celtics/Lakers/Bulls/Pistons/Spurs/Heat are the teams of the era. Dallas somehow sneaked in. Golden State and Cleveland look poised to do battle in the finals for the next five years (pending OKC sliding in).
The only time there was parity in terms of rotation of who won the whole thing was in the 1970s, which had eight different winners. Absolutely no one is calling the 1970s the "Golden Era" of NBA basketball.
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Post by glorydays on Jun 20, 2016 20:34:25 GMT -5
The Warrior's 73-9 regular season record like the 2007 Patriot's 16-0 regular season record was incredible....But when it is all said and done people will remember the Cavs coming back from a 3-1 deficit and the Giant's David Tyree's helmet catch.
I lost my train of thought on this but it made sense when I started.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jun 21, 2016 6:07:31 GMT -5
The game last night was epic and awesome. Good for the Cavs and Cleveland. Statistically, I agree. The game was close and a push late won it. I just couldn't get into the basketball though. A lot of times it was boring and the Warriors got away from what made them so much fun. Not going to Draymond Green every time down the stretch was a mistake. College basketball is so much more appealing to me because you see offenses throughout. Not just LeBron dribbling for 18 seconds then either driving, pulling up or hitting Kyrie on a curl. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 15:02:27 GMT -5
I'll wager one Explorer Buck that Hield is nothing special in the pros. What if he had a 10+ year career as a starter like a JJ Redick. I mean, JJ is nothing special, but he sure as hell wasn't a bust. Do I lose the bet if that happens? Also heard he is one of the hardest working guys around. That will take Buddy above JJ I believe. Less of a learning curve. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jun 21, 2016 15:36:18 GMT -5
What if he had a 10+ year career as a starter like a JJ Redick. I mean, JJ is nothing special, but he sure as hell wasn't a bust. Do I lose the bet if that happens? Also heard he is one of the hardest working guys around. That will take Buddy above JJ I believe. Less of a learning curve. James Harden??? |
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Post by MisterD on Jun 21, 2016 16:26:10 GMT -5
There are 500+ "hardest working guys" in D1.
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