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Post by luhoopsfan on Jan 27, 2015 22:45:52 GMT -5
Games like these can make or break your season sometimes... Get on a roll at the right time and you never know what can happen. When SJU pushed lead to 7 w/ Bembry +1 w/ 9 mins to go it felt like all hope was lost... Especially given how the team had performed lately - huge shot by Roberts at the other end to get it right back to 4. Price had his worst game of the year tonight in my opinion but when it was money time he made two clutch baskets and found Wright wide open for a jam.
Zack's lucky tip in maybe was a sign the ball would start bouncing our way again now...
Winning a big 5 game is SO rewarding
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Post by coqui900 on Jan 27, 2015 22:58:37 GMT -5
A few things:
1) I could not find ANYWHERE to park tonight. I chalked that up to this being a Big 5 game and I arrived a little later than usual. And then I get to the game right when it starts and there was a lot of empty seats. The visitor's section was especially empty. But it's not like our side had a huge turnout, either. Weather fears, perhaps? Even when the teams are lackluster they usually have good turnouts.
2) That halftime jump rope show was spectacular and got what was close to a standing ovation. Seeing some kid jumping rope while on a pogo stick while doing double dutch was mind-boggling.
3) I thought this was JW's best game aside from the K State miracle. He was just an absolute warrior tonight. He really moved the ball well when they closed in on him. Like Joe said, hi m splitting the double team was such an amazing play. I got nervous when he came out of the game. He was also helped off the court after the fight song.
4) Phil's such a j-o.
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Post by coqui900 on Jan 27, 2015 23:00:33 GMT -5
Also, did I hear KYW right and that the Hawks made only 2 FTs the whole game? How many did they even take?
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Post by coachd on Jan 27, 2015 23:21:33 GMT -5
And Coach G just needs 6 more wins to reach 300 at division 1 level. 706 to reach Coach K.
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Post by golasalle on Jan 27, 2015 23:22:54 GMT -5
FINAL. 53-48..............'splorers. How about moatatorium on complaining, for tonight? We just beat a Big 5/A-10 rival, at home, and it was big comeback. For tonight, can we focus on that aspect of it? Ha! You funny
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Post by hideaway on Jan 27, 2015 23:35:06 GMT -5
Awesome effort by Wright tonight. I was told they were giving him fluids all day. Had to go behind the stands late in the second have to find a trash can. Give the big guy his due. Loved his effort tonight. I was surprised to see so many of his bunny shots go in. Lewis also had a very good game as well as Roberts. I would really like this team to use Zack and Wright a little bit differently but what can you do. Watching Zack being forced to defend athletic guards/wings and not playing his position is hard to watch. I don't think it works having Zack and Wright both on the floor together whatsoever..hurts the offense and leaves guards open on the perimeter. I think Wright with Price, Roberts, Stukes and Lewis is a very strong offensive unit without sacrificing too much on defense. Overall, while the game wasn't pretty I am happy about the win. Records are thrown out the window when you play your rival. I agree with your lineup...Wright with Price, Roberts, Stukes and Lewis seems like the best line to me. and sub Zach in. I think Zach would be better playing 22-25 minutes a game. While he gets rebounds, he gets absolutely used on defense and offensively he is a non event. At this point doesn't even look at the basket when getting the ball at foul line or even slightly closer. He is useful to the team but not as a featured player for the amount of time he plays. But G loves him. I rank the players as: Jerrell, Price and Cleon as your clear top 3. Then Stukes. Then Lewis. Then Zach. then Peterson. I would distribute the minutes accordingly. Wondering if others agree with this assessment of the players and how they rank.
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Post by stlexplorer on Jan 27, 2015 23:48:58 GMT -5
6:50 left. 41-39 St. Joe's. La Salle ball. +1000
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Jan 28, 2015 0:02:05 GMT -5
Also, did I hear KYW right and that the Hawks made only 2 FTs the whole game? How many did they even take? Bembry and Newkirk both 1-for-1. That's it.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 28, 2015 0:20:44 GMT -5
Must really suck for St. Joe's (of PA) fans to have to see commercials for their "rival" while being beat by their rival. (Nothing to add, just want this on more than one page because its so good.)
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Post by sweat83 on Jan 28, 2015 6:08:47 GMT -5
Loved his effort tonight. I was surprised to see so many of his bunny shots go in. Lewis also had a very good game as well as Roberts. I would really like this team to use Zack and Wright a little bit differently but what can you do. Watching Zack being forced to defend athletic guards/wings and not playing his position is hard to watch. I don't think it works having Zack and Wright both on the floor together whatsoever..hurts the offense and leaves guards open on the perimeter. I think Wright with Price, Roberts, Stukes and Lewis is a very strong offensive unit without sacrificing too much on defense. Overall, while the game wasn't pretty I am happy about the win. Records are thrown out the window when you play your rival. I agree with your lineup...Wright with Price, Roberts, Stukes and Lewis seems like the best line to me. and sub Zach in. I think Zach would be better playing 22-25 minutes a game. While he gets rebounds, he gets absolutely used on defense and offensively he is a non event. At this point doesn't even look at the basket when getting the ball at foul line or even slightly closer. He is useful to the team but not as a featured player for the amount of time he plays. But G loves him. I rank the players as: Jerrell, Price and Cleon as your clear top 3. Then Stukes. Then Lewis. Then Zach. then Peterson. I would distribute the minutes accordingly. Wondering if others agree with this assessment of the players and how they rank. Next game, start the 2 bigs, then sub Zach, and play the 4 guard lineup for a while. Play it out. See how it works. Wright, Price, Roberts, Stukes and Lewis/DJ.
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Post by jellybean on Jan 28, 2015 8:24:32 GMT -5
Awesome effort by Wright tonight. I was told they were giving him fluids all day. Had to go behind the stands late in the second have to find a trash can. Give the big guy his due. Kudos to Jerrell, Khalid, and Cleon. I thought those three played well and played their hearts out. To add a compliment to K Lewis, this might have been his best all around game at La Salle. 8pts 5 rebs 5asts (2to's) 2 blks and 3 stls in 35 minutes. Two big FT's at the end. Need to keep getting Cleon more touches. The most reliable 3 pt shooter on the club. He has really progressed since early this season.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jan 28, 2015 8:48:03 GMT -5
Need to keep getting Cleon more touches. The most reliable 3 pt shooter on the club. He has really progressed since early this season. [/quote] This is big in my mind - I feel like the more consistency and scoring Cleon can demonstrate will open things up for Price and Wright. It will be much harder to key on those two and leave Cleon open. Fact is in the SJU game they basically said double Jerrell every time he touches it and collapse on Price in the lane - team did a good job of making one more pass and getting the ball to a wide open Roberts and he came through. As for Lewis, I was upset with him 2 times last night. Once when they were mounting the comeback early in the 2nd half he drove the lane into two defenders with no clue what he was going to do with the ball and turned it right over after LS did a good job getting a stop defensively. The second time, Lewis had a wide open three in the corner and instead drove to the elbow and took a more difficult shot, his body drifting sideways instead of a spot up shot in the corner. It's not a natural move to dribble from the corner to the elbow and shoot as much as it would've been from more up top. Plus, he was wide open on the initial catch and didn't pull the trigger. I worry about the extended time of Petersen and Lewis together with Zack on the floor, it becomes an offensive nightmare. DJ's shot is so poor right now that he's no threat whatsoever, it has gotten flatter than ever, and I wasn't sure that was physically possible. With that combination, offensively, things fall apart, teams sag off the perimeter because there is minimal perimeter shooting available and the double-team comes even quicker on Wright when the ball is forced into him. and it typically results in a forced shot somewhere. Roberts, Price, Stukes, Lewis and Wright feels like a nice combination right now. Zack is valuable when teams go zone b/c of his ability to facilitate from the high post, but if I see him get blocked by one more 6-5 kid on a layup.......
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Post by golasalle on Jan 28, 2015 9:25:13 GMT -5
We don't deserve this win whatsoever. Can we petition the league to give it back? Really? Come on man... It really is astounding (or maybe it's not) that there are some who absolutely must find something negative even about a win. Particularly a win over a Big 5 and conference rival. Was it ugly, yes. Was it a win, absolutely. But, I guess we are supposed to feel bad about it. I was at the game so for those geniuses who were calling G the village idiot for not starting Wright in the second half and not having him in the game during some crucial stretches, well as G said in the post game comments, Wright was sick and puked at halftime and at least once in the second half he took a trash bucket under the stands and barfed again. He was an absolute warrior and had to be helped off the court at the end of the game due to cramping. Statistically he matched Bembry (who is a terrific player) and probably had one of his best games this year. But I guess we should give the game back because we "didn't deserve to win" The first half was ugly. Offensively they couldn't get much going at all and some of it was self-inflicted. Hard to watch. But they played pretty well and got better looks in the second half, finding Roberts and Wright making some good decisions with the ball when he was tripled. The offense still struggles but it is amazing how things open up when we can hit some 3s. I completely disagree that the comeback was more due to St. Joe ineptitude than anything else. After the two dunks that opened the second half, they really locked it down on defense. They shut out Miles and while Bembry is going to get his, from the 5:30 point until :08 when he made that ridiculous falling layup, they shut out Bembry. They did not allow him to take the game over down the stretch. St. Joe was held to 33% shooting in the second half and only scored 21 points. St. Joe is not good, but credit where credit is due, they jacked up the defense. Look, this team has stretches where it has serious offensive problems and has been defensively inconsistent. Some of the things the coach does leave me scratching my head. But to come back from a 15 point deficit against a rival is a nice win no matter how it is accomplished. But I guess that is not good enough for some. I kind of feel sorry for people who can't even feel good about wins, but whatever. I was pretty happy to walk out of there with the W. Hopefully they carry it over Saturday.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 28, 2015 9:44:43 GMT -5
Yeah man...I said it and I mean it. No need to feel sorry for me at all, but thanks. The team played like crap almost the entire game. They played down to their level of competition again and at home no less.
As far as La Salle clamping down on them I would say it had less to do with that and more to do with the Joe's going stone cold from 3 point land. They shot a blistering 55% from the 3 in the first half and 10% in the second half. if our defense was so good, then why would their 2 point shooting improve from 27% in the first half to 47%. yes our defense was better in the first half, but it was more about them cooling off from 3 point range than our defense. If they had hit even 30% of their second half 3 point attempts, we would have lost the game by 1 point.
I take joy from wins and when we play hard and lose, I'm happy with their effort, but when they played as poor as they did against a lousier team and stole the win, then I don't think they deserved it. With that said, I'll still take the W.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Jan 28, 2015 10:38:39 GMT -5
Need to keep getting Cleon more touches. The most reliable 3 pt shooter on the club. He has really progressed since early this season. I worry about the extended time of Petersen and Lewis together with Zack on the floor, it becomes an offensive nightmare. DJ's shot is so poor right now that he's no threat whatsoever, it has gotten flatter than ever, and I wasn't sure that was physically possible. With that combination, offensively, things fall apart, teams sag off the perimeter because there is minimal perimeter shooting available and the double-team comes even quicker on Wright when the ball is forced into him. and it typically results in a forced shot somewhere. [/quote] DJ is not shooting the ball, he's throwing the ball at the rim.
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Post by golasalle on Jan 28, 2015 11:00:00 GMT -5
Yeah man...I said it and I mean it. No need to feel sorry for me at all, but thanks. The team played like crap almost the entire game. They played down to their level of competition again and at home no less. As far as La Salle clamping down on them I would say it had less to do with that and more to do with the Joe's going stone cold from 3 point land. They shot a blistering 55% from the 3 in the first half and 10% in the second half. if our defense was so good, then why would their 2 point shooting improve from 27% in the first half to 47%. yes our defense was better in the first half, but it was more about them cooling off from 3 point range than our defense. If they had hit even 30% of their second half 3 point attempts, we would have lost the game by 1 point. I take joy from wins and when we play hard and lose, I'm happy with their effort, but when they played as poor as they did against a lousier team and stole the win, then I don't think they deserved it. With that said, I'll still take the W. Oh, so I get it. The 1-10 from 3 in the second half had nothing to do with La Salle's defense. Did you even watch the game? They took very few contested 3s in the second half, I think that can be chalked up to good defensive effort. By your reasoning, you should never credit defense if the offense doesn't score, it is always offensive ineptitude. Regarding their "improvement" on two point field goals in the second half, you can play with the number all you want but they only took 17 2 point field goals so they limited their chances. Bottom line is that holding a team to 33% shooting and 21 points, while allowing them to get to the line only twice is pretty damn good defense. Also, I can play the same game you do on the "'what if". If we had only made 2 more 3s in the first half and gone a measly 3-8 we would have won by more. You can "what if" to your heart's content if it makes you feel better but to have nothing good to say about a win is mind boggling. So write your note the the A-10, maybe you will get your wish and they will turn it into an L
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Post by calsufan on Jan 28, 2015 11:16:34 GMT -5
My point was if their defense was so stellar, they wouldn't have so dramatically improved their shooting percentage from 2 points. The reason their 3 point shooting dropped in the second half was that they regressed to their average. They were hot in the first half and cooled down in the second. And it's not playing with numbers. Joe's had 4 less shot attempts in the second half so I would exactly call that limiting their chances.
And yes, I watched the entire game. No, I won't be writing the letter.
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Post by La Salle 08 on Jan 28, 2015 11:22:09 GMT -5
The Fro needs to declare after this year.
Next 3 games are a tossup. I don't think anyone is too confident in our team, but the Bonnies, Spiders and Minutemen are all about as average as we are.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 28, 2015 11:32:08 GMT -5
Next 3 games are against the 3 teams directly ahead of us in the standings (as of now).
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Post by manayunk53 on Jan 28, 2015 11:33:26 GMT -5
I really don't know what to expect from this team. I think all of these outcomes are possible:
A. Play .500 ball the rest of the season and lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the A-10 tourney. B. Lose out and then win the A-10 tourney. C. Win out and then lose in the first round of the A-10 tourney. D. Bring back Jerrell and Terrell Williams for "one last hurrah." E. Honor the 1954 National Championship team during a 30 second timeout during the Wednesday night game against Duquesne.
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Post by golasalle on Jan 28, 2015 11:40:10 GMT -5
My point was if their defense was so stellar, they wouldn't have so dramatically improved their shooting percentage from 2 points. The reason their 3 point shooting dropped in the second half was that they regressed to their average. They were hot in the first half and cooled down in the second. And it's not playing with numbers. Joe's had 4 less shot attempts in the second half so I would exactly call that limiting their chances. And yes, I watched the entire game. No, I won't be writing the letter. So by your logic, they probably shouldn't have played defense at all against the 3 because they would have "regressed to their average." Defense has nothing to do with it. And isn't allowing the opposing team 4 less shot attempts the definition of "limiting their chances"? Whatever floats your boat. If you feel better by giving them no credit for the win and chalking it all up to the other team's failures, enjoy yourself. Glad you watched the game even if you didn't enjoy it. Glad you had second thoughts about the letter, we can use the W.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 28, 2015 11:49:27 GMT -5
My point was if their defense was so stellar, they wouldn't have so dramatically improved their shooting percentage from 2 points. The reason their 3 point shooting dropped in the second half was that they regressed to their average. They were hot in the first half and cooled down in the second. And it's not playing with numbers. Joe's had 4 less shot attempts in the second half so I would exactly call that limiting their chances. And yes, I watched the entire game. No, I won't be writing the letter. So by your logic, they probably shouldn't have played defense at all against the 3 because they would have "regressed to their average." Defense has nothing to do with it. And isn't allowing the opposing team 4 less shot attempts the definition of "limiting their chances"? Whatever floats your boat. If you feel better by giving them no credit for the win and chalking it all up to the other team's failures, enjoy yourself. Glad you watched the game even if you didn't enjoy it. Glad you had second thoughts about the letter, we can use the W. Show me where I said or inferred anything remotely like that in my comments?
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Post by golasalle on Jan 28, 2015 12:57:31 GMT -5
So by your logic, they probably shouldn't have played defense at all against the 3 because they would have "regressed to their average." Defense has nothing to do with it. And isn't allowing the opposing team 4 less shot attempts the definition of "limiting their chances"? Whatever floats your boat. If you feel better by giving them no credit for the win and chalking it all up to the other team's failures, enjoy yourself. Glad you watched the game even if you didn't enjoy it. Glad you had second thoughts about the letter, we can use the W. Show me where I said or inferred anything remotely like that in my comments? "The reason their 3 point shooting dropped in the second half was that they regressed to their average. They were hot in the first half and cooled down in the second."That is certainly an inference that the defense had nothing to do with the poor shooting and it was merely a regression that would have happened regardless of the defense. It is obviously impossible for you to say anything positive nor give ANY credit to La Salle about last night's win so, so be it. It sounds like you watched on TV so I will chalk it up to missing the experience of a team willing itself to a win against a rival in person versus watching it on TV. There is a difference and maybe because of that you attribute it more to luck and random chance. I'm not going to change that. Hope you enjoy Saturday's game and I, for one, will take an ugly win over a loss. Read more: explorertown.proboards.com/thread/1594/game-thread-joes-7pm-tcn?page=10#ixzz3Q8ihTNl3
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Post by calsufan on Jan 28, 2015 13:18:00 GMT -5
That's quite the stretch to go from what I said to you putting words in my mouth, but okay, have at it.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 28, 2015 13:46:58 GMT -5
I really don't know what to expect from this team. I think all of these outcomes are possible: A. Play .500 ball the rest of the season and lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the A-10 tourney. B. Lose out and then win the A-10 tourney. C. Win out and then lose in the first round of the A-10 tourney. D. Bring back Jerrell and Terrell Williams for "one last hurrah." E. Honor the 1954 National Championship team during a 30 second timeout during the Wednesday night game against Duquesne. E&D are more likely than A,B & C.
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Post by coachd on Jan 28, 2015 13:58:30 GMT -5
I really don't know what to expect from this team. I think all of these outcomes are possible: A. Play .500 ball the rest of the season and lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the A-10 tourney. B. Lose out and then win the A-10 tourney. C. Win out and then lose in the first round of the A-10 tourney. D. Bring back Jerrell and Terrell Williams for "one last hurrah." E. Honor the 1954 National Championship team during a 30 second timeout during the Wednesday night game against Duquesne. I say F. Eric Murray bobble-head giveaway night when G reaches 300 division 1 wins.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jan 28, 2015 14:07:32 GMT -5
Who is Eric Murray? If he's the one writing your jokes you should probably hand him his hat.
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Post by MisterD on Jan 28, 2015 14:13:03 GMT -5
I think it was two parts: (1) "F" (youthful slang for "have intercourse with") Eric Murray. (2) Bobbleheads.
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Post by DE-LSU84 on Jan 28, 2015 14:18:18 GMT -5
Gentleman, we get it. Nobody is giving back a win. I guarantee you if St. Joe's won there would be zero talk from thier fan base about giving back the win. First, I questioned Coach's decision not to start Wright at the beginning of the second half as well, until I read the paper today. I also questionsed why Steve Zack was a) at the top of the 1-3-1 zone and b) when they went man to man why he was guarding Newkirk. My thought was if you are going to play the 1-3-1 zone and have a presence at the top maybe use Rohan Brown in that situation. He may not be a gifted scorer, but you cannot question his hustle, determination and athletic ability. And in a game like last night, that could have come in handy. Secondly,I stated to those who sit around me that when we took the 5 point lead at 51 - 46 with 13.7 seconds left, I felt the right thing to do was foul and not let St joe's get a 3 point attempt. At the time, LaSalle still had fouls to give without giving St Joe the double bonus and if St Joe's does hit a 3 they make it a one possion game, they still had 2 timeouts that they could have called to stop the clock and setup on defense so they can foul again, stop the clock and oh by they way we were still shooting 1 and 1, so if we miss its a two to tie and a 3 to win for the hawks. Lastly, if you heard me at the game, I was the guy who yelled Chris Wilson a cheating prick. During both Amar Stukes and Steve Zack's free throw attempts he has a sublte way of causing what I beleive is a lane violation by raising his arms up prior to the shooter getting the ball from the ref and then just as the shot is about to be released he moves his arms and flexes his hands in an attempt to distract the shooter. It seems the refs were oblivious to it. Just wanted to hear your thoughts.
I would cheer for the Pakastani debate team( which does not exist) before I would cheer for st joe...
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Jan 28, 2015 14:30:45 GMT -5
To some extent, Steve "he's going to be making money somewhere playing basketball next year" Zackwas dominated by Baumann. Just kidding somewhat, but Baumann probably had his best game.
Yes, I'll take the "w" too.
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